Lawlord

Greetings spock, Your perspective seems right on the treaty. We are told the time before the sacrifices are taken away unto the abomination of desolation is setup is 3.5 years (Daniel 12:11). The beast is said to rule for 3.5 years (presumingly the latter half). Yes this will effect Judea (Matthew 24), but thereafter is said to be (Matthew 24:21-22) such great tribulation that has never been, never will be again, and if they days weren’t shortened no flesh would survive. We also have the events in The Revelation which can’t be overlooked, the first four seals involve 1/4th of the earth dying from sword (war), hunger (famine), death and by beasts. Then we have another 1/3rd being killed by the 200 million army described in Revelation 9:13-18. We have great earthquakes (Rev 6:12, Rev 16:18), two large meteors (Rev 8:8, Rev 18:21) plus other disasters. This to me clearly effects the whole world. The ‘beginning of sorrows’ describes earthquakes in diverse places, famines etc. Well many in Judea will be destroyed, but those who flee will be spared destruction, just as Lot was spared destruction as he took flight from the city, they are said to flee into the mountains/wilderness (Matthew 24:16-20). You might believe in a pre-tribulation rapture but I personally don’t believe this is spelled out in the Word of God. I see that saints will be persecuted by the beast, the dragon, the false-prophet during the end times, they will be hated by all nations and beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and the Word of God. I believe the only rapture is at the final trumpet, when Christ returns on the earth and collects those who are ‘alive and remain’ and resurrects those who died who are true believers Rev 2:10 (Matthew 23:29-31, Rev 20:4, 1 Thes 4:16-17, 1 Corinthians 15:52). So you are right that there is no way to physically prepare for the return of Christ in any satisfactory way. This will not guarantee anything, the only savior is Jesus Christ. The most important preparation is spiritual (your relationship with Christ in spirit and in truth) and mental (guarding against deception, preparing yourself to go through the tribulation etc.). Physical preparations I believe are useful as we are told even in the ‘beginning of sorrows’ that precedes Jesus’ return that we will have war and famines. We are told of famines further in the Word so I believe some food and water on hand are good sensible preparations. Now if you believe you will be taken from the earth before anything bad happens, then you probably don’t think you should prepare yourself. I don’t agree with this view, and I don’t believe it is supported in scripture. You are welcome to disagree with me, I accept that others have their own views and interpretations. As I believe we will be on the earth, I think preparing in different ways is important. One method of preparation is knowing the severity of what is coming, knowing God’s Word on what will come, strengthening our faith, knowing that if we keep our faith true unto our deaths we will be given the crown of life (Rev 2:10), refusing the mark of the beast at all costs! (Rev 14:9-10), bringing people to Jesus to save them in these times, and whatever else God calls us to do in these times. This is spiritual and mental preparation, but physical preparations are sensible. Joseph/Pharoh in Egypt prepared for famines, we are told we should take care of the members of our households (1 Timothy 5:8), and that the wise foresee danger and hide themselves (Proverbs 22:3, Proverbs 27:12). We are told the day of the Lord will overtake many as a thief, but those in the light will see the signs and won’t be asleep (1 Thes 5:3-8). It’s all up to your own interpretations and what you feel in the world. I’ve felt the signs of impending chaos for a long time. I’ve felt the need to make basic physical preparations. I don’t find that inconsistent with my faith (if you are more prepared you can help others potentially) and my interpretations of the end times. Thanks for your post brother.

Agreed. I know they are active and present. Look at the state of the world! But I believe in the coming times they will be more active, and eventually in the physical. I've had many dreams on this topic that physical demons will be coming upon the earth, but I don't expect people to see it the way I do. Yes this is God's story and God is in control of all, even the demons who, if they are unleashed, it will be by God's will.

Greetings Serving! Yes the demonic locusts was one woe, two more are coming. I believe they will follow right after each other. The 200 million are lead by four angels that are bound underground and released for this specific day to kill a third of mankind. If they are angels, and they have been bound underground, then they are demons. They are the fallen angels. They lead their 200 million army. I understand your view on this, I considered this view myself and I can see how it can be applicable. We are told there are riders on horses, and those ontop of the horses had breastplates of red,blue and yellow, the horses had heads of lions with out of their mouth came fire, smoke and brimstone. They have power in their mouth and in their tails, for their tails are like serpents, having heads, and with them they do harm. So this could be an army of vehicles or military weapons. That fits the fire, smoke and brimstone. Daniel 7:7 KJV "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns" So in this passage we have description of a dreadful and terrible beast with iron teeth. Iron is a description used, which goes well with iron used in tanks, weapons, APCs all that stuff. I know there will be global war and there will be these huge armies of military equipment, however, I also believe demons will come upon the earth. As mankind has worshipped them for so long they will be given to them. I've had so many dreams about demons before, demonic creatures coming upon the earth. Great darkness emerging. Another reason I believe that those who believe in Jesus will be on the earth is to counter the great darkness, to make a choice for all from darkness and light. If the light was taken from the earth, there would only be darkness and no choice of salvation for those in darkness. I've had dreams of these demons, I never could have imagined. I saw a large room full underground as they were torturing a small child as I felt his pain. I've seen different types. I've battled against them, I've attempted to cast them out in my dreams. There are possessions, then there are actual physical demons. I believe they will be coming upon the earth. This is satans rise to obvious world rulership. We are told in Revelation 6:8 the pale horse, the name of him that sat on it was death, and hell followed with him. I know a lot of these things are in spirit, and there are a lot of battles going on in spirit. But consider CERN and the increase in wickedness and the death that is coming. These demons derive strength from sacrifices and will be empowered when there is death everywhere. They opened a tunnel near CERN and did a demon welcoming ceremony in front of it, dressing up as all different types of demons, appearing to come from a portal. I do believe demons will walk the earth. So because they aren't described as iron beasts, they aren't described as iron chariots, they are described as horses with lion mouths and snake tails. It could be a large traditional army in this age, as there will definitely be a large army like this, or it could be something else. Thanks for your post.

We're told the fourth rider is death, with Hell following him (Rev 6:8). We have the bottomless pit (hell?) being opened, demonic locusts and 200 million riders on demonic creatures that breathe fire, are armored and have snake tails emerging. I've had MANY dreams about real physical demons, possessions etc. coming upon the earth. I believe there will be such crazy things we couldn't imagine. We have to be so close to God in these times.

I have amended the video title on my youtube video to "All Believers Taken" In The Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a False Teaching! BE WARNED! for the following reason:As Rev (3:8-10) says, the Lord will keep true believers from the trial that comes upon the world. There is Word that says this can be delivering them from evil (2 Peter 2:8-9, Lot being delivered from the trials of destruction of Soddom and Gomorrah by warning), and the Lord prays to His Father we not be taken from the earth but be kept from evil (John 17:15), but I cannot say ABSOLUTELY the Lord won't take true believers from the earth. I don't believe I will be taken from the earth, but I can't say for certain others wont be. If the Lord wants to take true believers who have served Him well from the earth I will be all too glad.As such, if the Lord decides to do so, I cannot say the Lord is false or lying if He decides to do so, thus I MUST amend the title of my video. The content of my video, and the discussion still stands, but the certainty of my stating the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is a FALSEHOOD only applies to the belief that all believers will be taken from the earth before tribulation. This is blatantly FALSE and is a FALSE TEACHING.However, the Lord can keep true believers from the trials (Rev 3:8-10) in whatever way HE CHOOSES TO DO SO. I cannot say with certainty the way the Lord will do so, thus I had to amend my video title and description. Note that I don't believe there is much support for a pre-trib rapture in the Word, I am simply saying it is not impossible for those described in (Rev 3:8-10). I apologise for any misunderstandings or problems this may have caused. I want to be accurate and faithful to God's Word. But I also cannot assert absolute certainties where there are uncertainties. This is the reason for my editing of the video title and description, and though my discussion still stands I must curtail it to what I know is a certain falsehood, and not say that something is impossible where it MAY be possible. I hope you understand. Thank you, Christopher

Have you watched the video? Have you read the Word of God I present on this topic? No matter what you say, or no matter what the comfortable beliefs of others are, it concerns me not. I am only concerned by what the Word of God tells us. The pre-tribulation rapture is absolutely a false teaching. It is a teaching of man. I will not be editing the title. This belief is not borne out by the Word of God. I have shown the Word of God that proves the saints will suffer on earth during the tribulation. This is not overcomeable unless by twisting and distortion of God's Word. Thus the pre-tribulation rapture is absolutely a false and inaccurate teaching. This damaging teaching will contribute to the great falling away in believers. When believers who haven't prepared themselves with the Word of God go into the end times, and they aren't taken from the earth, how are they going to feel? When they are forced to take the mark of the beast or choose death, how does the pre-tribulation rapture false belief help them choose between God and their lives? When they are in suffering and difficulty, but thought they would never experience these times, are they going to be able to stand in their faith? The pre-trib rapture is a damaging teaching of man, that will contribute to the falling away and apostasy of the church. We are told the church is in need of repentance, is lukewarm, has the reputation of being alive but is dead, have fallen away from their first love (God), why do you think Jesus says this? If you believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, please tell me, how are you going to feel if you aren't taken from the earth before the tribulation/end times? Will you be angry at God for not taking you away? Will you blame God for not honoring His Word? That's why this teaching is damaging and it is absolutely a false-teaching, and I won't be going back from my statement. My interpretations are based on the Word of God. You can view my 12 minute video and all scripture is referenced on screen. If you want to convince me to stop labeling it a false-teaching, then you can tell me why the Word of God is wrong, and you can tell me why saints will NOT be on the earth during the tribulation, despite what the Bible tells us. You are welcome to believe what you want. I have displayed my interpretations of the Word of God clearly in my video. I do not mince words on this topic. I am not attacking your belief in God. If you believe in Christ you are my brother and sister. I want the brethren to be prepared for these end times, which I feel are almost upon us. I want the brethren to be strong and prepared to suffer, and stand in their faith. I don't want the brethren to fall away from faith. I believe the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is false, and will be a strong contributor to the falling away in the church. Again, you are welcome to disagree and have your own opinions, but unless you can overcome the Word of God I have displayed, I will not be amending the title of this thread, nor my video title, nor my belief that the pre-trib rapture is a false teaching. Thanks for your post.

Sister this was a big reason I was moved to make these videos/writings. I felt so many exalt themselves and assure themselves they are righteous, they are saved and without reproach. I found the Word tells us to humble ourselves over and over, and that the exalted will be humbled. If judgment begins at the House of God how can we be sure of our positions? I found many disregarding the teachings and commands of Jesus and if the church is overall criticised heavily by Jesus and called to repentance, we are told there are believers in name only who are workers of lawlessness, how can any of us be sure of our positions? We are told therefore let he who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. I personally felt like the pre-trib rapture belief was assuming you were better than the saints who were suffering on the earth, assuming you are so righteous you won't suffer, or something like that. I had this feeling before I wrote on these issues and before I had it confirmed by the Word of God when I went over it as I had many dreams in my life that future disaster would be in my life and never expected to avoid it. After researching the Word I felt compelled to write on these topics. I feel the results of these beliefs are going to cause a great falling away. We are told not basing our beliefs on the Word is perilous for our spiritual house, Matthew 7:24-27 KJV "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." We should not depart from the Word. To depart from the realities of the Word and the warnings of the Word is not preparing us for what is coming, Mark 4:17 KJV "And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended." Luke 8:13 KJV "They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." I can't imagine how someone who believes in the pre-trib rapture is going to feel when they are confronted with the test of accepting or rejecting the mark of the beast. Or seeing death and destruction and suffering around them. I feel like many with this belief may have difficulty in standing in their faith, because they thought God promised them they would be taken from the earth. That's why I feel this teaching will be so destructive to the body of Christ in the future.

I believe many who are worthy and call on the Lord and stand in their faith in these times will be protected from evil. John 17:15 KJV "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from evil." Also Psalm 91 describes the Lord protecting us and keeping us in the middle of His judgments upon the wicked. There will be a remnant in many areas, even in areas of great judgment of the Lord on the earth. However, we also know many saints will suffer and be killed, be delivered up to their deaths and be beheaded. This is a glorious testimony of their faith to the Lord, proving our love for Him more than our lives. John 15:13 KJV "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." When we give our lives for the Lord (our faith stronger than our lives) we glorify and show our love to the Lord. Many will be martyred. I do not call them unworthy or that they don't belong to the other group in any way, they are fulfilling a cherished position and their sacrifice is greatly honoured. Of those who put their faith in the Lord, many will die in the wars/events and go to the Lord, many will die for their faiths and go to the Lord (Revelation 2:10 KJV "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."), many will be protected from evil and led as God has plans for them on the earth. This is what I believe from the Word and my dreams/experiences.

Greetings, I have made a 12 minute video discussing this topic. It is part of my 5 part end times summary videos. I cannot post links but it is on my youtube channel godlord21 titled: "The Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a False Teaching! BE WARNED!" I believe the pre-tribulation rapture is not borne out by the Word of God. I feel it ignores the scripture showing us that we will suffer and be hated in these times, war will be made against us, we will be beheaded and killed for the testimony of our word etc. I feel like the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is contributing to lack of preparedness and the falling away in the body of Christ, when the faith of many will fail under persecution and difficulty as they thought they would never suffer. In this video I display onscreen all of the Word of God I rely on in my interpretation as I discuss this topic, so please read the information in the video as well. You are welcome to disagree, and have your own interpretations. I am open to discussion and consideration of others points of view and opinions, however, I feel a lot of scripture must be ignored or distorted to accept the belief of the pre-tribulation rapture. We are told those who are in the light will not be taken as a thief, they will not be sleeping but being awake and aware of the signs (1 Thes 5:1-8). I see the many signs of the impending judgment of the Lord upon the earth. The Word tells us of the saints suffering under persecution, being hated by all nations, delivered up to death by their families, killed during the first four seals, made war against by the beast, the dragon, the false-prophet, and their blood found in Babylon (Babylon destroyed Rev 18). I cannot rectify these many areas of the Word of God with the belief that all believers will be taken before the tribulation. We are told that not all who say they are believers are true believers (Matthew 7:21-23), we are told the day of the Lord will not come before an apostasy/falling away and the man of sin exalting himself in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. Anyway, you are welcome to consider my video. You can read the video description under the video to get a good summary of my main contention here. I have made this video and other videos on my channel because I felt a lot of the Word of God was being ignored. I am moving according to my feelings and drivings of my spirit. Again you are welcome to have your own opinions/interpretations, I am open to discussion on these topics. Kind Regards, Christopher

Thank you Kwik! That's cool you have friends who are talking about preparedness. Very interesting dream you had about taking care of other Christians! I take all of my dreams seriously (the disasters, the survival ones, the demon ones etc.) and prepare for them. Sounds like an important dream/vision, seems like something you might be doing later! Do you get dreams often? Thanks again for your post and welcoming. I've uploaded the final three parts (20 mins each) of my end times summary series. The total series (5 parts) is a shorter summary of my 3 hour and 12 min video, giving you a good understanding of what the Bible says of the end times, important concepts of faith in Jesus Christ and how to prepare physically, mentally and spiritually. Oops forgot I shouldn't post links. The last three parts are on my youtube channel godlord21 Kind Regards, Chris

Greetings Kwik, yes we all do have different purposes (1 Corinthians 12). I am glad you and many of the brethren are performing that important service! I've learned so much from the efforts of others. The whole Word of God is important and I agree all aspects of it should be preached. I only find discomfort when people don't want to consider the end times and return of Christ aspects of the Word. I know it's difficult and confronting, but if we don't accept the Word for what it tells us is coming we might not be prepared for the difficult choices and times to come. Well personally I believe we are on the verge of these times but many do not. I've felt a long time in my life before I came to Christ that my future would hold disaster in it. I've had many dreams about things over the last 9 years. I agree with the message for everyone to BE READY. Part of this is communicating the severity of the Word, to realise the only savior and refuge in these times is the Lord Jesus Christ. I discuss basic physical preparations could be helpful (some extra food and water), mental (guarding against fear/deception by grounding yourself in the Word), and the most important of spiritual preparation (repentance and not taking your relationship with Jesus for granted, being close to the Lord, armor of God, Psalm 91). I've also learned about survival topics and have written some documents discussing these things. Thanks for your post! Sister -thank you for going to the time and effort to post that information, very interesting to consider. Yes I feel like we're going to have to be making very tough choices soon, and our faith will really be tested! Thanks again. I'll be posting the last three 20 minute segments of my summary series on the end times tomorrow.

Thank you Sister, very kind. Interesting verses on Babylon. For 25:13 I'm unsure if it means the Lord will bring all of His words upon that land, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah prophesied against all the nations. Meaning is the Lord bringing His words to Babylon (all the nations) or is he bringing the prophecies against all the nations to Babylon. Are there any more verses discussing this more? I know in Rev Babylon rides upon the beast, is described as a great city/mighty city who meets judgment in one hour. But interestingly at 18:24 it says the blood of prophets and saints, of all who were slain on the earth, kind of implies Babylon was all nations. I guess I took a different interpretation, that Babylon was going to be the new global government major city that emerges. Do you know of any more verses describing Babylon in particular in relation to whether it's all nations or a great city. If all nations are considered "mystery Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth" full of abominations and fornication I can see this, but was imagining how much worse things will get in any type of new global government/beast empire where lawlessness abounds, and thought it was more describing that. Also since Babylon is destroyed during the 7th angels bowl of wrath (earthquake,then millstone) it seems to be around at the time of the beast etc. Anyway, thank you for the post and the listed scripture. Edit - I read the rest of Jeremiah 25, seeming to discuss judgment on the world and kings to drink from the cup of his wrath. I'm still a bit sure if its all nations or confined to a particular city/nation. So we are told to not partake of Babylon's sins, which if Babylon is all nations, means to not partake of the world, which we are already told. Again thanks.

Thanks for your post warrior12. You are right indeed, we all will have to account individually. I know the tribulation will happen, and I found that to me personally, the Word didn’t describe a rapture event where believers are taken away. However, if they are taken away, it would only be true believers and not all. I feel like what is coming is going to be so extreme and horrible and I hope the Lord takes people to Him. Even if he does not, when we die if we keep our faith we will go to the Lord. I have prayed that the Lord be with believers in the times before their death and strengthen them in their faiths. I’ve always felt I would experience disaster and chaos in my life. Since about 9 years ago I’ve had many dreams of tsunamis, earthquakes, meteors, different disasters, more recently war, nuclear weapons, military troops rounding people up for extermination, invasion. I feel like I will be here during the tribulation. I feel like there will be much God is seeking from us during those times. But also I don’t believe it’s everyone’s path to go through the tribulation. If they are raptured, though I don't believe the Word says this personally, I would commend this because it shows they are my brethren who are worthy and whose stories do not involve undergoing the tribulation. I am writing and speaking to these issues because I feel the general belief that believers will not go through the tribulation is a damaging one. Even if you believe in the rapture, please prepare yourself for the tribulation anyway. The Word talks about so many areas where believers in Christ suffer during the tribulation. It saddens me because I know there will be many believers who thought they would be raptured, but will suffer and be in difficulty, but fail to understand why God's judgment is upon the earth, or why they were not taken away, and I hope they do not renounce the Lord. We are told of the lukewarm, the lawless and the falling away in the faith. Since after high school I began to get dreams of disasters and I took them seriously. I felt like I needed to be ready for what was coming in the future and had a strong pull towards these issues. Since coming to faith in Jesus Christ all of my life experiences have tied together, and I feel like we are absolutely on the edge of these times, they will come quickly and will soon be upon us all. It grieved me to see that so many thought they would never suffer, and after looking into the Word I found it didn’t support this widely held perspective. Now I’m not saying for sure people can’t be taken by God before the tribulation. I am always open to correction by God; always. If he takes people from the earth then I am glad and know it was just and appropriate. I just feel like we all need to ready ourselves for the difficulties spoken of by Jesus preceding His return. Yeah people can prepare according to their feelings on the physical side. I feel like since we are warned of famines we should have a good amount of food and water set aside. Spiritual preparation is vital as you say. The full armor of God, reading Psalm 91 and praying and repenting daily to the Lord, staying as close as possible. Mental preparation is understanding what the Word says of these times, and it describes some very extreme times, but to not fear but put your trust in the Lord. In these times your relationship with the Lord will be everything, your strength, your guide. If you are to flee, if you are to stay, where you should go, what you are to do etc. Yeah I understand, living in the city or living in circumstances you don’t really have much control over, you can only do what you can do brother. If I was in your situation, I would try my best, prepare spiritually, mentally and be as close to the Lord as possible. You could prepare an emergency backpack which can be carried on foot. I've had dreams where I am caught in the disaster and die (large NY tsunami) and ones where I don't and continue, one was where miraculously because I was praying I survived a nuclear strike where most of the other houses around were destroyed with bodies everywhere. Things became very dark (demonic stuff) in that area, and I delayed leaving for a foolish reason and encountered some very weird things. We are told in Psalm 91 thousands may fall, and ten thousand at our right. Even in very bad situations there could always be survivors. If you die then you were meant to die, and keep your faith and go to the Lord. If you don't die, then you weren't meant to die, so keep living and stay close to the Lord. If people aren't prepared to suffer, they may give up on everything. Yeah I understand people have spoken of the end times for a long time. I don’t put dates or days or hours in my messages. I have an urgent feeling like these events will soon be upon us, and serious chaos and darkness will be coming very soon. This is based on many things including my dreams and experiences. I just hope that people read what the Word says will occur during these end times. Don’t ignore it because you think you are going to be raptured, but read and heed the Word. In my view of the Word it doesn’t say we will be taken from the earth, but either way, we should all prepare ourselves for the potential to go through these times. We are told we will be hated by the world and delivered up to be killed, made war against by the beast, dragon, Babylon etc. My call is for everyone to prepare and be as close to the Lord as they can, and not neglect their relationships with the Lord, for I feel very dark times are upon us. In relation to what I think of 17:2, the kings of the earth committing adultery with Babylon, those of the earth intoxicated by her adulteries, I believe this may be referring to the abominable, lustful, seductive and destructive influence of Babylon, the great harlot city on many waters. This is said to have all manner of trade of goods but also trade in the bodies and souls of men and contain the blood of the saints and prophets. I feel like a lot or almost all of the leadership we have on earth are loyal to Satan. They worship him secretly and plot and plan to bring about beast kingdom/mass death/destruction. We are told they will serve the beast. I believe there is an incredible amount of torture and abuse of the innocent going on every day and every minute on the earth, including sacrifices to demons and Satan etc. The worship of idols, sacrificing humans, all manner of filthiness and going against God I believe will be spread by Babylon, intoxicating the world with her abominations. We are told The kings will serve her and the beast, for Babylon is the city that emerges in the end times, one on many waters. This is my interpretation. Thanks for your post.

Thank you Sister, I've made a shorter five part summary series on the end times, summarising the main content of my longer video but with new content. I've uploaded the first two parts. Each are 20mins long. The video is titled "IMPORTANT BIBLICAL END TIMES INFORMATION!! Revelation Summary!! Pt 1", this and Part 2 is on my youtube channel godlord21. You can search for the video on youtube or google. I have taken into account the length of my initial video and have tried to discuss the essentials in shorter videos. Hopefully this makes it easier to view for some people. Thanks everyone

I didn't see your post before, replying now. I don’t agree that Rev 3:10 says we will be taken from the earth. KJV “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” The NAS translation “Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” We know the tribulation is at least 3.5 years long (rule of the beast). So is hour supposed to be referring to the whole tribulation period? The Lord says we will be kept from the testing/temptation that will test/try those on earth. I don’t believe this means we will be taken from the earth. It doesn’t say that. It says those who are true to Him and have not denied His name will be kept from the trial. We are not going to be taken from the earth during this time. There are many parts of the Word that prove this. First we can consider where the Bible says we will be rescued/held from the trials. We see this in 2 Peter 2:6-9 KJV “if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction, reducing them to ashes as an example of what is coming on the ungodly; 7 and if He rescued Lot, a righteous man distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if all this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.” This is referring to Lot, who escaped the judgment that befell the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Was Lot taken from the earth? No He was not. He was spoken to and warned by two angels of God to leave the city. Genesis 19:12-14 KJV “And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: 13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it. 14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the Lord will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.” So this provides evidence from the Word being kept or rescued from the trials does not mean being taken from the earth, but warned of the coming judgment approaching and thus being protected from evil. Lot removed himself from the city before it was destroyed. In a similar way we can be kept from the trials by being kept from evil/destruction. Revelation 18:4 KJV “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” This does not say the Lord is taking them away from the earth. He is warning to not partake in the sins of Babylon, lest they receive her plagues. 1 Peter 4:12 and Revelation 3:18 say nothing of being limited to describing our daily trials, they as much describe the trials to come in the tribulation. John 17:14-15 KJV “I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.” Jesus is praying directly to His Father that we are not taken from the earth, but are protected from evil. Read Psalm 91 to see the Lord’s provision for us by keeping those who put their trust in God as their refuge and fortress from evil. Now there is much scripture that proves the saints will be on the earth during the tribulation. We have Matthew 24:9 KJV (signs before Christ’s return) “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.” How will this occur if we are taken from the earth? 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” We are told the day of the Lord will not arrive before the falling away and the man of sin being revealed. We are told in Revelation 2:9 KJV as Jesus tells the church “Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” We are told we shall be imprisoned, tortured and killed but to be faithful unto death. At Revelation 6:9-10 KJV after the first four seals and 1/4th on earth die “And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?” So we have those who are slain for their word of God and their testimony. How does this occur if they were taken from the earth? Revelation 12:17 KJV “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” During the time of the 7th seal we are told the dragon will make war with those who keep the testimony of Jesus and the commandments of God. How does this occur if they are taken from the earth? Revelation 13:7 KJV “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” The beast will make war against the saints and kill them. How does this happen if they are already taken from the earth? Revelation 15:9 KJV “And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.” We are told they who obtain victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark. How do they obtain victory over the beast if they weren’t on the earth? Revelation 17:6 KJV “And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration” and Revelation 18:24 KJV “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.” How is the blood of the prophets found in Babylon if believers aren’t on the earth during these times? We are told those who overcome the dragon at Revelation 12:11 KJV “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.” So again how do they overcome the dragon if they are taken from the earth? The Word is clear. There is no confusion. If you consider the whole of the Word it is clear we will not be taken from the earth. The pre-tribulation rapture is not borne out by the Word of God. Believers in Christ will suffer, be persecuted and face death. They must persevere until Christ returns. They are on the earth during the time of the dragon, the beast, and Babylon. The only true rapture is when Christ returns to slay the beast by the breath/brightness of His coming (2 Thes 2:8) and collects those true believers who remain. Matthew 24:29-31 KJV “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Again we are told Christ returns after the tribulation of those days to collect us. Revelation 12:12 KJV “Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” How does this prove your assertion that the post-tribulation is deception from the devil? It simply doesn’t. I believe the Word is very clear. There is no pre-tribulation rapture. We will go through the tribulation. You are welcome to believe what you want, but unless you can overcome all of the scripture I have listed I find it very difficult to accept your perspective on these things. In fact I view the exact opposite. The pre-tribulation rapture is a lie straight from the mouth of Satan. It is not borne out by the Word of God, as I have shown above. It is a lie created and spread throughout the church to bring about lukewarmness, lack of preparation and comfortable thinking. When those who believe they will not have to suffer and that they will be taken before the tribulation, when they realise they are wrong and suffer, are hungry and face persecution, they will not be prepared and may curse and renounce God, proving their lukewarmness. There will be a falling away. I hope if you undergo tribulation you do not renounce God. Revelation 3:15-19 KJV “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.” This counsels us to buy the spiritual gold from the Lord that is refined in the fire (trials and tribulation). We are told as many as the Lord loves He rebukes. I find it presumptuous to assume one’s own righteousness and that one will be taken from the earth before the tribulation and before the return of Christ at the end of the tribulation, since it is NOT borne out by the Word. We are told by Jesus much of the church is in dire need of repentance, many believers who claim to be are only believers in name but are "workers of lawlessness" (Matthew 7:23) and that we should take heed if we think we stand lest we fall (1 Corinthians 10:12). I have discussed these issues in detail in my video, and I am making a new video series on my channel further discussing the lie of the pre-tribulation rapture. Again you are welcome to take whatever interpretation you want. Thanks for your post.

Thanks Eileenhat I try to self-reflect on the purposes of my dreams. I get a lot of different types of dreams showing different character flaws and issues. I still care about possessions too much. Some dreams I get the urge to move but end up delaying by looking around trying to grab any useful items, then leaving too late, leading to problems later in the dreams. I also have issues of fear and lack of love in certain situations. I enjoy my dreams, I often learn a lot from them in different ways, not just looking at them in a basic this happened so maybe it will happen later type of way. Thanks Dave! I didn't use to dream this much, started having a lot of dreams about 9 years ago. They can be unpleasant, confronting and challenging but overall I really enjoy them. It's not fun when your in a vivid dream running away from tsunamis or something else haha. I think it's common to have dreams but not remember them. My friend doesn't remember many dreams but does occasionally. If you want to dream I hope you get some you remember. I've been preparing in different ways for what I felt was future disaster that would be in my life since 2008. I didn't really know much but had a strong feeling and urge to look into things. Since then the feeling and the signs I see in the world has only increased. Yeah this information is very sobering, but I prefer to accept the more serious interpretation and hope for the best. As you say, we can only do what we can. If I die in whatever way then so be it. My life is in the Lord's hands. That's a very cool idea about the small portable emergency shelter. Wow that's very cold in your region. Yeah I agree the first priority would be to have some good stock of food/water/survival essentials at your home, and leave only if you needed to. Seek the Lord for guidance on this. I believe the days will be shortened, because Jesus tells us they will. But He does say the Beast will rule for 3.5 years so I'm at least expecting this long, but we'll see. Nice on the granola bars. White Rice and lentils are a good combination you can store in buckets that lasts for many years and when combined give essential proteins and a good staple meal. Thanks for your post. gdemoss - that's great brother. Keep at it!

Thank you for your answer. I always look into my dreams and try to understand the significance of them. Sometimes I dream of times were everything is different, like a survival situation, and some of the events occur during that time. Other times everything is normal and something suddenly strikes. I've read a lot of dreams and visions of fellow Christian's and there were a lot of similarities in the dreams I was having. I made this video, and overcame the embarrassment of being public about my views on Facebook, internet because I felt strongly that I was being warned of the coming times. Thanks again.

I have edited my post to remove that. My apologies, you were not belittling, you were posting scripture and stating your interpretation. I just found that your position of emphatically stating no one can prepare for these times, when there are different ways to prepare yourself (physical, mental, spiritual) that are sensible, I had difficulty with. I didn't agree with your interpretation of scripture but this does not mean you were belittling. My apologies for over-reacting.

Greetings hmbld, I actually had a similar thing myself. I had dreams of disaster, tsunami, earthquakes, all before I came to believe in God and eventually came to faith in Jesus Christ. I felt like I needed to prepare for what was coming in the future. I don’t believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. I believe Jesus will collect us upon His return. His return is when he comes to defeat the beast, false prophet and dragon (satan) and the kings and armies of the world at Armageddon. I believe we will undergo tribulation. Many saints are said to die, and the beast makes war with them during the tribulation. We are told by Jesus we will be delivered up to be killed and hated by all nations. If these Words of God are to be true, then we can’t be taken from the earth before these times. Jesus prays to His father at John 17:15 for us to not be taken from the earth, but to keep us from evil. I believe this is His provision for us during these times. Now being a ‘prepper’ is a bit of an uncomfortable label that has been created. We are told in 1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” Also at Proverbs 22:3 “A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” The story of the 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine given by prophetic dream to Pharoh that Joseph interpreted, they prepared for this time with physical preparations and were saved as a result. We are warned of coming famines in the Word of Matthew 24:7 “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.” Also in Revelation 6:6-8, with a fourth of the earth killed “with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.” So twice we are warned by Jesus of famines. If Joseph and Pharoh prudently prepared physically for the coming famine, why is preparing for the famine and war warned by Jesus to be considered foolish? I don’t say you need to go out and be a gung-ho prepper, but having some food and water on hand, and some basic survival equipment (backpack with sleeping equipment, means of starting a fire, purifying water, cutting tool etc.) are all useful basic preparations to take. We are told in Matthew 6:25 “Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?” So I believe the Lord will provide for us, but this doesn’t mean we should not heed the warnings of the Lord and make some simple preparations for the times He has warned us about; famine, persecution, death. This is going to involve collapsing economies and death by hunger. Trusting in the Lord does not mean you do nothing yourself to prepare, even as He has advised us to do so! The mental preparations I discuss are grounding yourself in the Word of the Lord and to test for the fruit and to test the spirits to whether they are of God. To ground yourself in the truth of the Word of the Lord is to protect yourself from deception. This world is already steeped in deception, but this will only increase as warned by the Lord, and the whole world will marvel after the beast except those who are true to God. False-Christs and wolves in sheep’s clothing will abound, we must be guarded against deception by being close to the Lord. In terms of spiritual preparation this is strengthening your faith and your spirit to spirit relationship with the Lord. Humbling yourself, seeking His correction and His forgiveness, repenting and turning from sin. Also knowing of the qualities and attributes of the Lord. He is all things. He knows the beginning from the end. Nothing falls to the ground without the Father knowing. All of the hairs on our heads are numbered. All is within God’s hand and control. He is almighty. He is omnipotent. Knowing of the Lord’s attributes gives us strength in times of difficulty, we know He is faithful and He is true. Also I discuss putting on the whole armor of God contained in Ephesians 6:10, focusing on each item and what it means to you and seeking the Lord to manifest the armor unto you. Also I read Psalm 91, which contain important promises and protection from the Lord. I encourage all to pray to the Lord in times of difficulty, in fear, when under attack, and to pray for the brethren. Knowing that 1 Corinthians 3:16 says “know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” so wherever we go we are with God. These times of tribulation may force us to leave our homes with nothing but what we can take with us. They involve war and death on unprecedented levels. The most important preparation is spiritual preparation. Mental preparation is the next priority. The final priority is physical preparations. Whatever preparations you make there are no guarantees. We aren’t to love our lives in the flesh, but taking preparations I believe is wise. I foresee evil and I shall do something about it, at least some simple preparations of food and water, given the warnings of the Lord that we will see famine. Preparing is not only for yourself, but your family and those who are near you, you may be able to help them in this regard. But know that you could lose everything, have no possessions or be forced to leave it all. This is why physical preparations are least important. But I do not believe physical preparations should be ridiculed in anyway. If we experience a global war, or the electricity goes out, and we are under tribulation and persecution, and you realise you aren’t taken from the earth before you experience suffering, then you may be glad you made some simple preparations for this time. Well I only go by my own beliefs and by the dreams and experiences I have had. You all are welcome to come to your own conclusions and to prepare in the way you desire. This isn’t all directed at you hmbld, but to generally discuss these issues as brought up by others. Thank you for your post. Abdicate – You cannot say we are not to prepare based on the warnings of the Lord Jesus Christ. He has warned us in the Word before time so we know what is to come. Proverbs 22:3 “A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” Nowhere does it say we are to not prepare for the coming of the Lord. Preparation is more than physical, it is mental and spiritual, as I have discussed above. 1 Thes 5:9-11 does not say He will take us out of the earth. True believers in Christ are not appointed unto His wrath. It does not say they are taken from the earth. As I said above, the Lord says at John 17:15 in prayer to His father that we be not taken from the earth, but to be protected from evil. We will be protected by the Lord in these times, to do HIS will. This may be to preach His Word. In overcoming the dragon (satan), Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.” Those who overcame gave word of their testimony. If we are to give word of our testimony during the tribulation (many saints die during the tribulation) then we will be roaming around. I suggest basic physical preparations such as some stored food and water, some survival equipment, some survival knowledge. Knowing how to make shelter, find food in the wild, make fire to keep warm. All of this involves a physical life on the earth. It is not wasted knowledge. Nowhere are we told to NOT prepare ourselves. Those who think they will be taken from the earth before tribulation will potentially curse and rebuke the Lord when they undergo suffering. These events in Revelation are extreme. One third of the people on earth dying. One fourth dying. Massive earthquakes, meteors, armies of the beast, the dragon making war against the saints, the beast being given power to overcome the saints, the blood of the saints being found in Babylon. This is all extreme. This does not mean we do not prepare. And as I said, preparation can be physical, mental and spiritual. You should make the physical preparations you see fit, as I advise in my letter and video to “seek the Lord and make the physical preparations you feel you should”. None of the scripture you quoted supports that assertion. Thank you for your post. Warrior12 –very true. Many are not able to make physical preparations for themselves. Spiritual preparation is the most important. We will all die at some point. Coming into extreme times we must ready ourselves spiritually by being close to the Lord and not denying Him until the end and we will be given the crown of life (Rev 2:10). Jesus and the Word describes a very grim picture. But we are not to fear these things coming, but only fear the Lord, and put our trust and faith in Him. Our faith is our shield and “the Lord is my refuge and my fortress, My God, in Him I will trust” (Psalm 91:2). I like this verse. Thanks for your post. Onelight – I feel the same. I have one person only who I can speak to about these things. The rest of the people I know tell me not to talk about these things or what might be coming in the future because they don’t want to hear it. I see the trajectory as you do, though I am relatively young. I feel the oppression of this world and see how full of evil and deception it is. I made this video to discuss the Word of what is coming, and to give my interpretation. I quote the Word much throughout my video. I find comfort in the Word, since I know it is the Word of the Lord. And as much as people want to twist and deny it, they cannot assault its truth to me. Thank you for your post. Daniel 11:36 – I stated the reasons above why basic physical preparations is something that I advise. We are in a fragile world. A simple hurricane can clear out the stores for a week. How much worse if the power went out for a longer period of time? We are warned in the Word of coming wars and famines. These are physical events. To ridicule physical preparations I believe is a mistake. Of course I do not prepare with basic physical preparations and ASSUME I am going to be fine from the sheer extremity of what the Word says is coming in Matthew and Revelation. Our faith in the Lord is our shield, but this doesn’t mean we do not act sensibly given the warnings and Word given to us by the Lord. 1 Peter 4:12 says “Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.” Further in Revelation 3:18 “I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” Gold refined in the fire so that we may be purified. This does not take away from the Lord’s promise in Revelation 3:10 “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” The Lord does not say He will take us from the earth, but keep us from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world. This is Jesus’ words to the 6th Church who Rev 3:8 “I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.” Those who have kept His Word, have not denied His name, they have a little strength. Important to note Jesus calls most of the church to repentance or He will come at them with the sword of His mouth (Rev 2:16), will be vomited out (Rev 3:16-17). Do you assume you will not go through tribulation? I agree that the only true protection is your faith to the Lord. One of the primary goals is to bring people to the Lord. Again the Lord does not say He will take us from the earth. Believing in the Lord is not a guarantee, you must do the will of the Father, Matthew 7:21-23 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” This and the words in Revelation show that many who consider themselves believers in the Lord will NOT actually be true believers in the Lord. Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God”. We must be faithful in the Lord. This means being faithful to His Word, His teachings and what He commands of us. Many will be vomited from the Lord’s mouth. The church is called to repentance. The apostasy and falling away will come. Do these people who consider themselves believers in the Lord, but are vomited out, are they SAVED? I bet they thought themselves SAVED... Thanks for your post.

Greetings everyone, This is a repost since I am not yet able to link videos and I don't want to cause any issues. My name is Christopher. I'm 26 years old and from Australia. I've urgently felt in my life the need to prepare for future disaster I felt would be in my life. I've had many dreams about the coming times and feel it urgently within my soul. I wrote a letter and recorded myself reading it on youtube. The video is titled "The Great Tribulation Is Here!! Revelation Summary/How To Prepare!!!" You can search for it on youtube, my channel is godlord21. This video is not monetized. This is my testimony of my views of what the bible says of the end times in the Bible leading up to the return of Christ. The video is 3 hours and 10 minutes long so I understand that can be a handful.It is my belief that great chaos and darkness are soon to be upon us all. I see many signs on the horizon, but a few are; the increasing wickedness and perversion, impending collapse of the global economy, world war, rise of totalitarian governments and persecution. I also feel as if God's judgment is soon to be upon the earth.In this video I describe based on my own beliefs, opinions and interpretations, my summary of what Jesus describes will occur before His coming and the main points of The Revelation. I list Bible verses while I read my letter. I also describe key areas of belief in Jesus, my perspectives and experiences and how you can prepare physically, mentally and spiritually. If you want to see what I say regarding physical, mental and spiritual preparation for these times you can skip to 2:41:21 (30 minute discussion on preparations). Also a good part to view if you don't want to watch the whole video. I don't say I know all the answers, you are welcome to disagree with me. But I have felt the strong urge to produce this material to try to warn my family and friends of the times we are in and anyone who will consider these topics. Under the video there are links to survival documents and videos I have made which may also be of assistance. I appreciate any comments. How do you all feel about the times we are in? I've felt the need to prepare for a long time in my life and have dreamt about disasters, tsunamis, earthquakes, meteors, military rounding people up for extermination, demons, lots of things. I've been following news and events, have taken steps to prepare for myself and family but find very few who see things the way I do.I look forward to reading more of the posts and discussions here.Thank you for your consideration.Kind Regards, Christopher