Bro.Tan

On 8/28/2023 at 5:11 PM, FreeGrace said:

Does that verse attach salvation to the command?  No.

Not true.  Why are believers commanded to "be worthy", be "blameless", etc then?  Can you answer this?

The operative word is OUGHT.  Not WILL.

2 Peter 3:11 - Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,

1 John 2:6 - whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

1 John 4:11 - Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

This isn't a correct example.  Getting a new bike is still EARNED; by getting the good grades.  This isn't money but getting something by earning it according to the rules.

To be rewarded in eternity, one must earn it.  Salvation is a gift; it cannot be earned.

Not accurate.  Believers will give an account of their LIVES, not their salvation.

2 Cor 5:10  - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.  It is not about salvation.  You are quite mistaken.

That's what I do.  I recommend that you do too.

This is NOT about getting into heaven.  Once saved, it can NEVER be "at state".

God is not One to take back any of His gifts.

Rom 11:29 - for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

Phil 2:12 refers to the present tense of salvation.  Here are the 3 tenses of salvation

Past tense salvation:  saved from the penalty of sin.  Justifiation

Present tense salvation:  saved from the power of sin.  Sanctification

Future tense salvation:  saved from the presence of sin.  Glorification

If you disagree, what verses show that I'm wrong?  Thanks.

I want to be correct as much as you want to.

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). This was a direct answer to a direct question. 

21 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

That is because "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Rom 3:23).

I explained the context for you.  It's up to you to understand and believe it.

I never said the Bible doesn't say to repent.  The basic meaning of the word is to change your mind with the result of changing directions.

To believe in Christ, one HAS TO change their mind (repent) about a lot of things:

1.  they are a sinner

2.  because of their sin, they cannot earn salvation

3.  Jesus Christ is God's Son and died for all your sins

4.  Trusting in the work of Jesus alone on the cross for salvation will result in salvation

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20). 

Nevertheless, in judgment each one of us will give account for our own salvation. Therefore, we must not let anyone lead us down the wrong path, but should verify all of our teaching with the holy bible. YOUR SALVATION IS AT STAKE! "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12). 

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

No, the Bible DOESN'T tell you or me that.  Peter told a crowd who had crucified the Messiah!!  That was a special case.  No one is saved through water baptism.  That crowd HAD to admit Jesus was God's Son!!  That is what Peter meant by "repent".   Context is always king.

One of the first thing Jesus says when he got started in his ministry, Jesus says in Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38). “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Look there some repentance going on here in the Bible. Pauls says in 2 Corinthians 12: 21 and lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

Jesus, Peter and Paul tell the world to repent, but say the Bible don't tell you that.

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Then it appears you disagree with Paul's answer to a jailer who wanted to know what he MUST DO to be saved.  Paul said to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and he would be saved.  I will side with Paul.

And the salvation that Jesus provides is permanent.

 Please copy and paste scriptures and verses!

On 8/25/2023 at 10:28 AM, FreeGrace said:

OK, what is the royal law?  To love God with all your heart, etc, and love your neighbor as yourself.  And that is all about works, lifestyle, obedience.

And none of that will save anyone.

We are saved by grace through faith.

Do you know what "grace" is and means?

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose.

That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life (Jesus). So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

On 8/25/2023 at 8:53 AM, JimmyB said:

There are two covenants, and there are significant differences between them.  It is incorrect to apply the old covenant to Christians!  You  need to focus more on the word of God and what is actually being said, and to whom it was written.  It is critically important whether it comes from the old or new covenant.

Hebrews 8:13, "In speaking of a new covenant, he has made the first one obsolete, and what is obsolete and growing old will soon disappear."

Why do you think there are two covenants?  

Paul says in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Looks like you and Paul not seeing eye to eye here. That's critical.

22 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Nope.  It's more than just ceremonial sacrifices.  The "works of the Law" are what can be described as "good works".  No one is saved by WHAT they DO.  Salvation is by what people BELIEVE.

There was no "warning" as you suggest.  Peter was noting that Paul's teaching was deep.

Not sure what point you are trying to make here.  Please clarify.

I post Paul teaching the Commandment (royal law) and not the work of the law. It's a difference. 

22 hours ago, JimmyB said:

All of your quotes that I have read in this discussion are from the Old Testament.

Then you need to read more of my quotes, some is from the new Testament as well. But focus more on the word of God and what being said, and not whether is came from old or new. peace in Jesus name 

22 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Not true.  This is what Paul spoke of:  

Rom 3:20 - Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Rom 3:28 - For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

So you are sadly mistaken.  The "works of the law" are ALL the commandments that relate to behaviors and lifestyle.  And NONE of that will saved anyone.

We are saved by grace.  Salvation is NOT earned by lifestyle/obedience/faithfulness.  It by grace THROUGH FAITH.  Eph 2:8

Eph 2:9 says "not of works, lest man should boast".  We are saved by grace through faith (v.8).  

The red words refer to the Bema, or Judgment Seat of Christ, where eternal reward will be given, or loss of reward.

2 Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

This verse is NOT about final destination at all.  Faithful obedient believers will be rewarded while unfaithful/disobedient believers will have no reward in heaven.

You did exactly what said and went to the places where Paul talks about the works of the law we are not under, which is the animal sacrificial laws. God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing.  (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood. 

So now, I'm going to post Paul talking about the ten Commandments (royal law) that's not nail to the cross. Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. 

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. 

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. 

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin. 

Let's look at another set of Commandments Paul says concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17) 

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.

23 hours ago, JimmyB said:

Everyone makes the same claim, so what is your point?  As I said earlier,  I would assume you are Jewish since all your quotes are from the Old Testament, the Scriptures according to the Jews.

All my quote do not come from the old testament, it just depend on the conversation at hand, I teach the word of God is from Genesis to Revelation. 

22 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Please read Romans 2 and 3 very prayerfully.  Paul said eternal life is earned ONLY by perfectly keeping the Law.  And in 3:20 he flatly refutes the idea that anyone will earn  eternal life by the Law because NO ONE can 'keep the Law'.  In 3:23-30 Paul provides the ONLY WAY to be saved and be justified by God:  faith in Christ and His work on the cross.  There is no other way.

Yes, believers are commanded to do good works.  That alone proves that believers won't automatically or necessarily do good works.  It is a command to obey.

Paul was also clear about adding works to faith.

Romans 10-

5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 

6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

v.5 is defined by Eph 2:8; we are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH.

No one is saved if they think their works are necessary for salvation.

There is NOTHING you or anyone can do to "help God" to save you.  He doesn't need your help.

When Paul speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, he's speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins). 

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12). 

21 hours ago, JimmyB said:

So are you Jewish?  I would assume you are since all your quotes are from the Old Testament, the Scriptures according to the Jews.

No I'm not Jewish, I teach the uncut word of God according to the Prophets (Old Testament) and the Apostles (New Testament).

18 hours ago, JimmyB said:

One of the common mistakes when quoting scripture is a) to take a verse or two out of context and b) combine it with another verse that is entirely separate.  That is what you have done here.

You take two verses from Hebrews and combine them with a single verse from Revelation to explain doctrine.  The problem is that they were written at separate times by different authors.  Conflating them to illustrate a predetermined point isn't valid exegesis.

And then you add more out-of-context verses from a gospel that was written much earlier to a different audience to further bolster your point.

Using this flawed technique you can "prove" virtually anything.  So your analysis is flawed and cannot be accepted as valid exegesis.

 

In the scriptures it's written Proverbs 15: 31 The ear that heareth the reproof of life Abideth among the wise. 32 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: But he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. 33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; And before honour is humility.

So now I'm hoping you take heed to those word, so you can learn the next few scriptures we about to in Isaiah 28: 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:  12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

This is the proper way to teach the word of God, by following the instruction of the word of God. 

18 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

The Bible teaches only ONE WAY to receive eternal life.

John 1:12 -  Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

1 Tim 1:16 -  But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.

Believe and receive eternal life.  Very simple. 

Anything else added, such as works, behavior, "doing your part" is false doctrine.

When a jailer asked Paul what he MUST DO to be saved, Paul's answer was clear and straight forward:  believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.  Acts 16:30,31

No exceptions.  Anything else is unbiblical.

People we must realize, that it is the keeping of God’s holy laws that separates the righteous from the unrighteous and the Saints from the Sinners. (Titus: 3:8) This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. You must learn (by the word of God) what God expects of you and maintain his expectations to the end, if you expect to be saved. Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men.

23 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Thank God that now we are saints, even though we still sin sometimes, we have been joined to Christ (1 Cor 6:17) and this is our real, eternal identity! We are in Christ and He is in us - "it is of God that you are in Christ Jesus!" (1 Cor 1:30) And since once we're born-again of Him, we can't be unborn - can Christ die again?  If not, then neither can we!  Hallelujah!!! 

(of course, however, God will discipline His children, and sometimes severely if needed)

Praise the Lord for his mercy endure forever.....But it's the willful sin that is the problem. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12). 

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). 

On 8/19/2023 at 7:28 AM, garee said:

One appointment.

The appointment to die is once. All that live forever receive the same requirement of mercy seasoned with grace eternal life.

The other death is the death of death  .The letter of the law .. . . "Thou shall not" or in dying you will become to deader than a thumb tack.

Jesus came to give new spirit life.as a living sacrifice .  he will remove the second death by casting it (death the letter of the law) in the fiery jusgmnent.of God    

The Bible says in Revelation 21 :  7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

14 hours ago, Santoso said:

Beloved one, pardon me, I don’t agree with you, that born again, that you said is a change in the body, not the mind.

For we heard our Lord Jesus said:

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That we may understand Jesus answered, verily, verily, Jesus said unto us, Except a man be born of water, that is, the wisdom of God and of the Spirit, that is, the Holy Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

For we also heard our beloved apostle Paul said:

“But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1‬:‭30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That, we also heard:

“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12‬:‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

May peace of God be with you. 
 

To God the Father be all glory and thanksgiving through Christ. Amen

Let's take a look at an example from Jesus when a person is born again. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit. 

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses. Remember, this is after His resurrection. 

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family. When Thomas called Jesus God was he still a man? Take a look at this verse in the book of Numbers. 

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? 

Note what the verse says, God is not a man, neither is he the son of man. While Jesus walked with His disciples He called Himself the son of man. He was exactly that. He was born of a woman. But, when he was raised from the dead He was no longer in the man family neither was He flesh and blood. If he was flesh and blood He would not have been able to appear in the middle of the room with his apostles.

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/17/2023 at 10:15 AM, Vine Abider said:

Please clarify. 

The message of the new covenant is that we are saved through faith in Christ - and now that we are saved (i.e., the children of God with His life in us), we are to do the works pleasing to Him. But we are always still walking in faith and looking to Him to know what works to do and to obey His inner voice.

Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord. People are being taught that once you are quote “saved” that you can never fall to the spiritually lost condition. This is not true and totally unbiblical; this teaching is a damnable heresy brought in by man. 

Paul said in (1 Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means. 

On 8/17/2023 at 10:11 AM, Vine Abider said:

Just to be clear, we are no longer under the old covenant of the law, but under the new covenant of grace - grace and truth came through Christ Jesus. 

These verses in Galatians make it clear that the law was there until Christ came (and gave us His eternal life, which can fulfill the law in us).

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!  Galatians 2:21

Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Galatians 3:3

Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.  Galatians 3:24-25

Interesting, but let's go into (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law. 

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus. 

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. 

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law. 

Jesus said in (Matt. 16:24-27) (v.24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. That was the Lord’s burden, to die on the cross for the sins of man. Now as we read earlier every man must bear his own burden, and what is your burden? (v.25) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. You must give up your life in this world; you must not get caught up in the cares of this world. You must bring forth-good fruits of faith by keeping God’s commandments, statues, and judgments. (v.26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 

Some of the great patriarchs in (Heb.11) gave up a lot, some even their lives in exchange for their soul. You see they had great faith (belief) that their souls (bodies) would be raised at the first resurrection. And some of you won’t even give up some of the littlest things like, going to church on Sunday, the pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter, praying to the Virgin Mary, I could go on and on. And most so-called Christians know these rituals have nothing to do with Jesus and the Bible, but a lot of work get put into them. But do they understand that they are offensive to God? Maybe it’s because they have more faith in man than God, maybe it’s because they fear how man is going to treat them, and  don’t fear God. But listen up; (v.27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Now these are the words of Jesus (the Son of man), you know the savior of the world. He said that when he comes he is going to judge every man according to his works. Don't be deceived thinking you all you need to do is have faith in the Lord and you will be saved? 

Over the years many have taught various ways to receive everlasting life. No wonder the world is full of so many denominations. All of these different doctrines, seemingly coming from the bible, tend only to confuse people. Most people don't know what to believe and simply choose not to attend any church. Salvation, what would you trade fore it? This is a question you should ask yourself. The answer should be nothing. What people fail to realize is Adam sin and brought forth the first and second death, and that second is the lake of fire. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12)

So at this point the creation is lock under these two death, this is before Jesus of course. I find that a lot of people don’t understand this. We have a lot righteous prophets and people in the old testament, but still lock under those two death. We also have a lot of evil people in the old testament who will still be lock under those two death. If you are lock under those two death, this mean you will be raise from death, and Judged, then headed straight for the lake of lake. So now, Jesus came and die for the world and bless us with grace, so that our righteousness will remove the second death. 

Jesus says in Luke: 31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. See sin is what got us these two death in the first place. Let’s take a look at the biblical definition of sin. 1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) 

So when you sin, you transgress the law, what law? The Commandments brother and Sisters. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1: 6,8,9)

So if you think because Jesus die for our sins, and you don’t have to keep the law (Commandments) then you are sinning, and Paul told us in Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 

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Let's show some example of being born again, because being born again is a change in the body, not the mind. This does mean we don't keep the commandments of God and his statues and judgements. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12). But when you are Born Again you come up in the first resurrection, with another body. Remember Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15: 51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

At the last trump, and not a second before. No one can make the statement, "I am born again" But the Lord that came down from heaven which is Jesus. He is the only one that rose from the grave and remained alive.

Let's go back to John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means. 

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit. 

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses. Remember, this is after His resurrection. 

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family. 

 A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). 

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12). 

Everything, including our hope, is tied into this gospel message. If we choose to believe contrary to the gospel then we are believing a lie. Remember, "the truth shall make you free." There's only one gospel! "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8). This is serious business, so let us preach and pray "THY KINGDOM COME!" This is the gospel of Jesus.

The entire bible changes if the saints were in heaven, even eliminating the first resurrection …And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

(Revelation 20:4-6). 

The bible speaks of three heavens….It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. (2 Corinthians 12:1-2), so which one would the saints go to anyway? Jesus was talking about the third heaven when he said, "...no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven.." This means Elijah or no other man (except Jesus) has went up to the heaven where the Father's throne is at. 

Many of us, including Elijah, have been transported through the second heaven, which is the sky. This heaven is called the firmament, where airplanes and birds fly. The first heaven is the earth. This is where Jesus will establish his heavenly kingdom. Jesus commanded us to preach the gospel of the kingdom and pray for its fulfillment. It is impossible to preach the Gospel of Jesus without ever preaching about his future kingdom. Why raise the dead if they are already in heaven?

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I personally don't see that as the same as everything being burned up making it necessary for a new heaven and a new earth and the new city of Jerusalem coming down.  

Well, I read you that event all over the Bible, including the old Testament and this event is only going to happen one time.