The Barbarian

How do you figure the Vatican is responsible for Protestant clergy abusing young boys? https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1

You were claiming that we couldn't call anyone "father." As you see, that's wrong. Or are you claiming that a clergyman with children can't have them calling him "father?" You seem pretty confused here.

Celibacy of priests is a discipline, not a doctrine. It could change tomorrow, if the Church chose to do it. Ironically, it was imposed to prevent corruption in the Church. You've let your anger at Christians who don't follow your new doctrines override your love of God.

"Honor your father and your mother" -God You pick and choose which verses you believe, and then most of the time you post them out of context.

The Tridentine Index of 1564 presented ten rules that were established by the Council of Trent to control the censorship of texts. In the Index librorum prohibitorum that accompanies the Council’s decrees, the ten rules were reprinted in full. These are summarized in English below: 1. All books condemned by popes or councils before 1515 will remain prohibited. 2. All books by “heresiarchs” (heretical leaders) and theological books by heretics are prohibited. 3. Heretics’ Bible translations are banned; heretics’ translations of other texts require approval. 4. Vernacular translations of the Bible by Catholic scholars require approval. 5. Compilations of earlier works edited by heretics require correction and approval. 6. Theological writings in vernacular languages require correction and approval. 7. Obscene or immoral works are prohibited; Classical works may be read by adults. 8. Books that are generally sound, but which contain isolated heresies must be corrected. 9. All books treating magic, superstition, astrology, or occult practices are prohibited. 10. The bishop and the inquisitor require all books to be licensed prior to publication. I'm surprised that someone who claims to be Christian would repeat that lie. As you learned earlier, the Church encouraged reading of the Bible, and published the Douay translation to make it easier for English-speaking Christians to read the Bible. Don't repeat lies by non-Christians against Christians.

As you learned, this is a lie. During the Middle Ages, there were Bibles kept in churches so that those who could not afford one could read them. And in line with the recommendations of the Council of Trent, the Church encouraged translations into vernacular languages to allow laymen to read them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Trent History shows your source is faulty (perhaps out of ignorance rather than actual malice against Christians)

Jesus says that how you cared for others will determine whether you spend eternity with Him or with the devil and his angels. Act accordingly.

KJV, James 2:Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. I believe God. You should, too.

That's another slander of Christians by non-Christians; an obvious falsehood: The Tridentine Index of 1564 presented ten rules that were established by the Council of Trent to control the censorship of texts. In the Index librorum prohibitorum that accompanies the Council’s decrees, the ten rules were reprinted in full. These are summarized in English below: 1. All books condemned by popes or councils before 1515 will remain prohibited. 2. All books by “heresiarchs” (heretical leaders) and theological books by heretics are prohibited. 3. Heretics’ Bible translations are banned; heretics’ translations of other texts require approval. 4. Vernacular translations of the Bible by Catholic scholars require approval. 5. Compilations of earlier works edited by heretics require correction and approval. 6. Theological writings in vernacular languages require correction and approval. 7. Obscene or immoral works are prohibited; Classical works may be read by adults. 8. Books that are generally sound, but which contain isolated heresies must be corrected. 9. All books treating magic, superstition, astrology, or occult practices are prohibited. 10. The bishop and the inquisitor require all books to be licensed prior to publication. I'm surprised that someone who claims to be Christian would repeat that lie. As you learned earlier, the Church encouraged reading of the Bible, and published the Douay translation to make it easier for English-speaking Christians to read the Bible. Don't repeat lies by non-Christians against Christians.

Luther added "sola fide", for example, which is not found in God's word. I'm just showing you that St. Augustine is a respected theologian in all three major branches of Christianity. That's a common superstition, and it's completely false. In fact, in the Middle Ages, there were often Bibles readily placed in Churches so that the poor who were able to read, could read them. In fact, the Catholic Church published an English translation of the Bible for laymen before the KJV was published. The finished Douay Bible was completed in 1610 and the NT was completed almost a decade before that. You've been fed a lot of falsehoods, and it's hurting your spiritual progress. Why not just set all the programming aside, and just accept it God's way?

Actually, it's orthodoxy in the Western Church, (Catholics and Protestants). It's in the Nicene Creed. Maybe you should read up and learn what it is? Calvin, for example cited Augustine as the basis for his theology on salvation. Luther? Luther unquestionably perceived himself to be a faithful follower of Augustine. Indeed, in his preface to the Theologia Germanica, he places Augustine next to the Bible as a source of religious truth.l2 Even when in later works his appraisal of Augus- tine is somewhat less glowing, he still identifies Augustine as a major theological source, especially about grace.13 Luther continued to acknowledge his debt to Augustine as the interpreter par excellence of the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace alone. https://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/Periodicals/AUSS/1984-1/1984-1-12.pdf In order to clarify where Augustine stands in regard to Greek Orthodoxy, my thesis in this paper is that he has been a "saint" of the Church and has never been erased from the list of saints. https://www.goarch.org/-/saint-augustine-greek-orthodox-tradition I guess they're all out of step but you. Considering that they believe the Bible as written, and you do not, that's not surprising.

I assumed you were, since you were pretty much adhering to their doctrines. But it doesn't matter; so long as you accept the fundamental doctrines of the Church, you are a Christian. Hint: whether or not the creation week is literal 24 hour days, is not a fundamental doctrine of Christianity. St. Augustine, who is a revered theologian in all three major branches of Christianity, had tried to prove the days were literal ones, and finally admitted that they could not be. Origen was aware that the days were not literal ones. As you learned, even the text says they are not, since by definition, one cannot have mornings and evenings with no sun to have them. Even ancient Jewish scholars like Philo of Alexandria were aware that one could not impose a literal interpretation on the creation account. Moreover, if you take the Genesis account as literal, it says that God created the Heavens and the Earth in one day: Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth 5 And every plant of the field before it sprung up in the earth, and every herb of the ground before it grew: for the Lord God had not rained upon the earth; and there was not a man to till the earth. I know... "It's literal unless I don't want it to be literal."

A millenium before Jesus, people knew the world was round. And many Jewish (and later, Christian) theologians in ancient times knew that the days of Creation were not literal 24-hour ones. But none of this really has anything to do with salvation, unless one makes an idol of it.

Funny how people who do that, never realize that it's them. Just pointing out the obvious. I didn't name names. Neither did anyone else. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't try to put it on. That is another of your false statements. I pointed out that the revisions of Moses by the Seventh-Day Adventists were not orthodox Christian belief. I'm not calling you a liar; I think you get so worked up by some of this that you fail to think about what you write in response. And I'm not claiming your denomination is not Christian; God doesn't care if Adventists don't agree with the rest of us on how creation happened. It's not a salvation issue. Some of the best Christians I've met have been SDA. It's not personal. But do try to be more accurate in your claims, eh?

There are some figurative verses that speak of the "ends of the Earth" or the "pillars of the Earth." But they no more mean a flat Earth than the "days" of creation mean that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. It's true that a logically-consistent YE creationist would believe in a flat Earth, though.

Funny how people who do that, never realize that it's them. You're one ahead on me; you've fooled yourself.

Except for saying that the earth brought forth living things Now you're merely denying things already shown to you. Genesis 1:24 And God said: Let the earth bring forth the living creature in its kind, cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth, according to their kinds. And it was so done. God does not lie. Take a little time, calm yourself and you'll do better. (RV_Wizard throwing random scripture at a wall, hoping something will stick) It's still God's word, even though you claim it's a lie. Find a way to accept it His way. BTW, you don't understand what Paul is telling you. Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Here, Paul is talking about idolatry. He isn't denying God's word that the earth brought forth living things. You're denying it, but Paul isn't. You've made an idol of your new beliefs; Romans 1:20 is talking about you. Set your pride aside and let it be God's way.

Except for saying that the earth brought forth living things Now you're merely denying things already shown to you. Genesis 1:24 And God said: Let the earth bring forth the living creature in its kind, cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth, according to their kinds. And it was so done. God does not lie. Take a little time, calm yourself and you'll do better.

Now you're merely denying things already shown to you. Take a little time, calm yourself and you'll do better.

As you learned, the text itself says that they aren't literal 24-hour days. Well, let's see what God says was there at the beginning... Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. 2 And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. Why won't you just accept it His way? Except for saying that the earth brought forth living things, that's all the "how" we get. As you know, that also contradicts YE revisions. But adding your new revisions is revising Scripture. It's not just a different interpretation. It's a deliberate misrepresentation. Why not just set your pride aside and let it be His way?

That's a common YE creationist superstition, You proved the opposite. Several people here have shown that you don't understand scripture, and that you have all sorts of misunderstandings about evolution. And yet you're telling us God was wrong in saying what was there at the beginning. But you are. As long as you read scripture like a lawyer looking for loopholes in a contract, you'll miss the message. No, He told us that He did. He didn't provide the details as to how. That's not what scripture is for. As you learned, science can invalidate man's revisions of scripture such as YE creationism. So you're back to inventing odd things and pretending I said them. Do you think no one notices? As you learned, science can invalidate man's revisions of scripture such as YE creationism. You've assumed your new ideas are God's word. You're not God. Until you humbly accept His word as it is, you'll find no peace. Let it go and accept it His way.

You admit it now. As you learned, it can invalidate man's revisions of scripture such as YE creationism, And yet you're telling us God was wrong in saying what was there at the beginning.

No matter how you interpret "yom" in that verse, it directly refutes your revision of Jesus' words about when male and female began. No. Genesis 1:1 tells you what was there at the beginning: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. 2 And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. Why won't you believe Him?

Science, being able to only access the physical universe can neither affirm nor deny the supernatural. After I showed you the fact. Glad you admit that much, at least. But notice that most creationists say otherwise. What science can and does do, is debunk many of the man-made doctrines of YE creationism.

YE creationism adds new doctrines to His word. Don't put words in His mouth. Well, let's see what God says about that... Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. 2 And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. No male or female there at the beginning of creation. Here, Jesus is speaking of the creation of the human race, not the beginning of all creation. Why not just set your pride aside and let it be God's way? The issue is, you don't. Your new doctrines require that you add and subtract things from scripture when they don't fit your wishes.