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Now you call the words of my Lord false doctrine.Is there anything Jesus taught that you believe? Mathew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. It's called the second coming because Jesus came 2000 years ago.The above is his second coming.

False.Jesus does not advise anyone to flee He said "let those in judea flee".Everyone in judea will be fleeing except them which belongs to Jesus.They are told to look up by Jesus because they are being redeemed at that time.See,you believe a christian must run fast or they will suffer the wrath of God.This is nonsense.The saints are delivered at he time of great tribulation as Daniel 12:1 says. I'm not sure why you believe a christian must flee in order to be saved.Jesus never taught any such thing.

Jesus taught that he would come after the tribulation and rapture his elect but I've seen people deny his word and say he comes before the tribulation. Here is where Jesus said he would come after the tribulation. Mathew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. That is the word of God for all true christians to hear.

And look everyone.When faced with imprisonment and death during the tribulation,the saints in Israel still don't flee. Luke 21 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. 16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. 17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

And Mahew 10 states that Jesus students are persecuted throughout all of Israel till Christ comes which just so happens to include 1260 days before Christ comes. You also have a problem understanding who Jesus is talking to in the Olivet discourse where Jesus tells his students that they will be beaten in the synagogues and killed before he comes. Denying the tribulation and persecution of christians in Israel when it is well documented is a bad move on your part Denying the word of God is never a good thing. Luke 21 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake

Those verses are specific to the years preceding the coming of Christ which are the three years of the two witnesses. And yes,Jesus disciples are imprisoned and killed in Israel just as Jesus said. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. You could have just answered honestly and said you don't know why they are persecuted for those 3.5 years.

I just dont think your going anywhere.I think your just going to have to stick around at least till Christ comes and kills the Son of perdition .Paul said no one will be gathered untill after the falling away and the son of perdition has been revealed whom the Lord will consume with the brightness of his coming. I'm pretty sure I know who the son of perdition is but I'm not going to say just yet.And the beast is talking about putting microchips in everyone in his kingdom.That will probably start in another year and a half from now.

Daniel,the gospel , Luke 21 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. 16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. 17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. Mark 13 9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. 10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. 11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. 12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. mathew 10 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Daniel 11:33-35 Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed. During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere. And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come. I'm sure there are more if you would like me to find them.

So why are the christians murdered and imprisoned in Israel while the two witnesses are there?

If that were the case,you should be gone already .We are nearing the last 3.5 years when the persecution of the church in Israel begins .

The two witnesses feed no one.They are part of the problem.The woman flees out of Israel for the 1260 days they are there.

It's not the remnant of Israel that flees into the wilderness. The remnant of Israel does not flee into the wilderness. Revelation 12 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The woman flees into the wilderness out of the serpents reach.The remnant who have the testimony of Jesus don't flee with the woman .They remain in Israel and preach the gospel to the lost sheep of Israel as Jesus commands them in the testimony of Jesus Christ. Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. If they fled into the wilderness,the remnant wouldn't be keeping this commandment.They would be breaking it.Do you understand?

According to scripture,it doesn't rain for 1260 days while the two witnesses occupy Jerusalem. It's a cold rainy morning here. Revelation 11 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. If it didn't rain since 1948 ,then the Euphrates should have dried up in 1952. Muslims are taught in the hadith to attack Dajalls army after a three year drought.

Well,it sure looks like these sentences belong together.Daniel.even wrote them together. . Daniel 11:32-35 He will flatter and win over those who have violated the covenant. But the people who know their God will be strong and will resist him.Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

So you believe the saints are being killed in Daniel 11:33-35 for instructing people about antiochus in Daniel 11:32. Perhaps you should try to keep the verses in context Instead of separating them by hundreds of years.But this time ,leave Jason's false doctrine out of Daniels prophecies.. The people who know their God in Daniel 11:32 are the wise teachers in 11:33. Daniel 11:32-35 He will flatter and win over those who have violated the covenant. But the people who know their God will be strong and will resist him. Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed. During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere. And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

No,the king of the north is the one who gives a host to the little horn to abolish the daily sacrifice.He comes to his end in Daniel 11:45 which is at the time of the second coming but he's not the little horn. 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. The king of the north gives the little horn a host(his armed forces).The little horn is the Israeli government(Israel).The king of the north is Israels biggest supporter. The little horn=the beast from.the sea The host=the false prophet And these are the saints who don't flee. Daniel 11:33-35 Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed. During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere. And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

Jesus tells his disciples,they should look up when they begin to see these things in the Olivet discourse . The saints don't need to flee,they only need to look up .Look closely at verse 28. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

And yes,I call them saints because the word of God calls them saints. Daniel 7 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. The saints are persecuted for a time,times and a half. They did not flee.

If the abomination of desolation is the beginning of the great tribulation , then the disciples in judea don't need to flee.The dead are raised and them which are alive at that time are delivered. Here is the beginning of the great tribulation in this verse. Daniel 12:1-2 And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame. Why do you believe God would need someone to flee for him to deliver his people and raise the dead?

Keep it in context.Context is key. Verse 36 is talking about the same king as Daniel 11:32. 32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall [a]corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. Daniels continues speaking of this king in Daniel 11:36 36 “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. This is the same vile king from Daniel 11:21.who came to power after he raiser of taxes. 21 And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue.

34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. 36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? 37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Why then are the saints not fleeing? Daniel 11:33-35 Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed. During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere. And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

The abomination that causes desolation placed in Jerusalem by the armed forces was developed to destroy and innihilate many.It was invented to cause desolation. Daniel 11:44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. It is at this time ,when the king of the north goes forth in a great rage to innihilate many,that the great tribulation takes place. Daniel 12:1 And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book. John describes the abomination of desolation in revelation 6.

I think Jesus may have been born a couple of years before 1 BC so don't be surprised if it's a little sooner than expected.

According to several of our members,the saints in Israel are supposed to flee to the mountains .But there seems to be a problem.None of them flee.Insted of fleeing,the saints in Israel give instruction. They stand firm ,and warn the lost sheep of the house of Israel as Christ commands in the gospel. Do you see anyone fleeing in these verses? Daniel 11:33-35 Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed. During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere. And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come. If these saints fled,as many on this board claim,then they would be disobeying the command to preach to the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. The watchmen must warn the people.They are not commanded to flee.They are commanded to stay and preach.