Shilohsfoal

19 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Daniel 11:40

http://biblehub.com/kjv/daniel/12-1.htm

So as you know,at the time of dan 11:40,it will be a time of trouble such as never was and at that time the saints will be delivered,everyone found written.

This coresponds to the first resurrection in revelation of those who did not worship the beast or recieve his mark. 

Egypt will be unihabitable for forty years because of the radiation.After forty years the Egyptians who lived and their children shall start returning but it will always remain a base country and will never be strong.

So when Gog invades Israel 1000 years after the king of the north had obliterated Egypt,it will still be a weak country because God said he will not allow Egypt to ever raise itself over anyone again.

5 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, Shilohsfoal.

Hmmm... Since this is a natural occurrence that also occurred in 2008, then the only thing "spectacular" about this is that it will be closer to earth and visible to the naked eye. They said it will only be as bright as the stars that make up the Big Dipper. Don't let the hype of such an event make you go ga-ga!

Yes I read it.I gave you the link remember?

It can be seen,with the naked eye which doesn't happen very often.Every million years or so?

But like I said.This isn't why I believe Christ will come in the next few years.

Maybe after Trumps Peace plan becomes an agreement with Israel and jerusalem has a new occupant then maybe you will understand why I believe Christ will come in a few years.

8 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Tell me about what is written in Ezekiel before chapter 38

I want to know what you are talking abougt

http://biblehub.com/revelation/22-18.htm

Egypt will be to weak to,mess with anyone.It will always be weak.

After the king of the north nukes Egypt in daniel 11:40,no one will be able to live there for forty years.It will be so contaminated no foot can even pass through it

http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/29-11.htm

4 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Daniel 11:40

A very good answer and thats when the devastation of Egypt takes place but the lasting effects of that nuclear war is written in another book and the reason Egypt does not invade Israel when Gog does 1000 years after Dan 11:40.

I'll give you a hint.It's written in Ezekiel before chapter 38-39.

1 minute ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Egypt is a Muslim country, but will be on Israel's side during the coming tribulation along with Saudi Arabia and western nations

 

 

  

 

 

Lol.

Ok.That's funny.

There is one verse in the bible that explains perfectly why Egypt can not partake in Gogs invasion of Israel.

Can you show us that one verse?

3 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Egypt is not Israels enemy, but will attack Gog [Satan]

And Gog will rush upon Egypt .... and will add Egypt to his kingdom

Understand that the prince of Mesheck and Tubal in Ezekiel 38 is Satan

His instruments of this war are Abaddon/Apollyon in the human little horn of Daniel's visions in chapter 7   

You believe the Muslim country of Egypt is not Israel's enemy?

Why has Egypt taken part in every major war to destroy Israel and you say it's not an enemy?

You do understand Egypt is a Muslim country don't you?

9 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Gog is Satan and the beast is Abaddon Apollyon [Revelation 13:1-9]

The battle of Armageddon will come just at the end of the 70th week decreed

http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-8.htm

This is the only mention of Gog in revelation.That is all.

now let's try to get back on topic

Why does Egypt not take part in Gogs invasion of Israel?

There is one verse found in the bible that explains why.

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Again,one very simple verse without any commentary explains why Israel's enemy Egypt does not invade Israel when Gog does.

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Ezekiel 38;39 is the attack upon Israel and the resultant battle of Armageddon at the end of the coming tribulation period

Egypt will be consummated by Gog [Satan] before the battle Armageddon [Daniel 11:40] .... Egypt is the king of the south 

Gog is not associated with Armageddon Israel in revelation.

The kings to the east of Armageddon are but Gog is not mentioned.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/16-13.htm

Participants in Armageddon,include the Dragon,beast,false prophet and kings of the east.There is no Gog mentioned associated with Armageddon.

The only time Gog is identified in revelation is

http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-8.htm

Which according to revelations takes place 1000 years after the participants of Armageddon are cast into a lake of fire.

Again,one very simple verse without any commentary explains why Israel's enemy Egypt does not invade Israel when Gog does.

One verse that Rick obviously doesn't know.

Just now, Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, Shilohsfoal.

Alright, I'll bite: What "new star?"

Not that I believe Christ will appear then because of this event,i believe Christ will soon come because of prophecies I've been paying attention too.But I found it very interesting a new star should appear in the sky around the same time.

Reminds me of the star of Bethlehem.

https://www.almanac.com/blog/astronomy/astronomy/new-star-night-sky-2022

Egypt has and will be an enemy of of the Israeli government and has taken part in every major conflict against the Israeli regime.

Now here is a question for the board to ponder.

Why is Egypt not identified with Gog in Ezekiel or revelations?

For those of you who believe the reference to Gog in revelations is the same as ezekiel and takes place at the end of the millinium,the answer is quite simple .Its common sense.

But for those of you who believe Ezekiel 38-39 is pre millinium, you have a problem explaining with scripture why such an enemy of Israel does not come against Israel.

The answer to why Egypt does not come against Israel during the time of Gogs invasion is biblical and is so simple it can be explained with one simple verse.

Yet another reference to The countries bound in the eurprates is 

http://biblehub.com/revelation/16-12.htm

Only four verses after this verse these kings arrive in israel to destroy it.For those of you who have read of the great drought in revelations,i would like to let you know the three year drought in revelations would be a sign to the muslims who believe the hadith.It is the time they are called to jihad against Israel and it's occupying forces.

This is a reference to the drought that causes the Euphrates to dry up.

http://biblehub.com/revelation/11-6.htm

And yet again just before the kings arrive in,israel in revelation 16:16 Jesus says he is coming in 16:15

http://biblehub.com/revelation/16-15.htm

Same as in zech,when the people of the prince have taken Jerusalem ,that is when Jesus comes with the saints.

All these correspond.

16 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

Wrong perspective, but no.

Of course I do! Silly question really. However, there are qualifiers that can CHANGE the "appointed time." For you to think it couldn't happen is for you to doubt whether God will hear our prayers, but we are TOLD that He will! And, no, because of the way you phrased the question, a simple yes or no will NOT do!

Of course I do! But, HE is the One who determines what He has said will happen and when! He doesn't answer to you or anyone else who thinks they've isolated the day and the hour or even the month or year!

Something else to consider: Maybe He won't change the date of when Yeshua` returns; He may not, but He COULD changed the players! He can change who will be alive and who won't be alive when He allows His Son to return! He can also change the NATIONS that are players in the event, as well!

Something else to consider is this: The Jewish calendar, following the lunar cycle, will change from year to year as to when Yeshua` may return in that year. I don't expect Him to return until about 220 years from now. If He returns in my lifetime, I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I don't think it will happen. Just the same, I'll continue to look for Him and anxiously expect Him to come at any time!

I've got a good feeling Jesus will return around 2022 when,the new star shows up.Sometime between,it's appearance and a couple years afterwards.Somewhere thereabouts.

All the players are already in place.

http://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-2.htm

This is another verse concerning the people of the prince raping the Israeli women.

Keeping this in context,you will notice our Lord and saints show up at jerusalem,the same time this is going on and coresponds to

Mathew 8:11-12 when the occupants of Israel are cast out .

14 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I do not support your words. I reject them.

http://biblehub.com/revelation/21-2.htm

It's not my words you reject.There new Jerusalem coming out of heaven after the millinium.After Gog has been destroyed.

There is really nothing else for us to discuss.

16 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Before I jump into the fray to comment, I'd like to get a consensus on when the Ezekiel 38: - 39: war occurs? Just prior to the tribulation or during the first 3-1/2 years, or when. Because this has everything to do with who will not be the 'people of the prince'. I might throw in Psalm 83:, Isiah 17 and Jeremiah 49: to boot.

http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-8.htm

According to the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show his servants the things which shall come to pass ,Gog invades Israel 1000 years after Armageddon.

It is at Armageddon that the prince of Persia and others unite against a common foe.

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

I didn't say you did! I was saying that thinking that these "appointed times" give only ONE possible event on the timeline is LIKE the "certainly" that God has DETERMINED who will be "saved" and who won't be "saved."

Don't put God in a box of ANY size! If He wants to change the "appointed time" when He will send the Messiah back to earth, that's HIS business!

Let me ask you a simple question: Do you believe that God answers prayer?

There's no special "magic" to a particular date in the future (even when we don't know when exactly it will be). God keeps that date to HIMSELF. And, NO ONE KNOWS how much our current and future prayers to God for His longsuffering and covenant keeping will affect/have affected His choice for that date from the Beginning of Creation! But, I have absolutely NO DOUBT that God hears our prayers and answers them positively because we are His children, however that "positively" works out in reality. Some simplistically say that God answers , "Yes," "No," or "Wait a while," but I believe His answers are "Yes" and "Yes"; we just don't know how that "yes" will come across in the present. Remember: "The Spirit itself intercedes for us with groanings which cannot be uttered," and it is HIS interpretation of our prayers upon which God the Father acts.

But, it was promised,...

1 John 3:13-24
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
KJV

Later in the same book, Yochannan (John) said,

1 John 5:10-15
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
KJV

So, when one is "on the same page" with God, he or she may ask ANYTHING, and it will be done! Why? It's simply because we're thinking IN TUNE with God's thinking!

Yeshua` Himself gave us this promise:

John 15:4-7
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
KJV

and...

John 16:20-27
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
KJV

So, it's not impossible to pray to God regarding His Son returning sooner than He might otherwise have been sent the Second Time. We don't know the "appointed time."

Do you believe God will not keep his word because of a prayer you make?

If God said there is an appointed time for the end ,do you believe him,or not?

A simple yes or no will do.

Do you believe God?

7 hours ago, missmuffet said:

I am not Rick but the New Jerusalem is the Eternal State. It will be filled with God's redeemed children.

2 Peter 3:12-13

Revelation 21:3

Revelation 22:3

Using ricks own words.

The word rapture is not even in the bible.Worse for Rick ,new jerusalem,isn't even,here during the millinium.It doesn't come till after the earth has been cleansed with fire.After Gog is destroyed.

Rick didn't seem,to know this.

6 minutes ago, Rick_Parker said:

OMG!! ➿ Have you even read the New Testament? I’m done wasting my time. Figure it out.

I've memorized almost all of the new testament.

You said it was in the bible so I asked you where because I knew there was no such verse.

I received the type of answer I was expecting.

14 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I believe there is a lot of scripture that goes with "got questions" explanation of the two Gog Magog's.

Well there is also the bible.What does ezekiel,say happens after Gog is destroyed and the bodies are buried?What did he write about next?

The prince"leader"in this verse is a man,who calls himself the supreme leader Ali Khomeini of Iran.He is an Islamic imam who claims to be the spokesman of Mahdi on earth.He claims to ascend into heaven,once a year to converse with the Mahdi and recieve instuction.

He is also mentioned in daniel 11:22.

http://biblehub.com/daniel/11-22.htm

He is referd to as the prince of the covenant because of the nuclear agreement made between him and world leaders.

It is written that trump will destroy him and his overwhelming army he has at the time of the end after his army has taken Jerusalem .

Trump will destroy him and his army with the abomination that causes desolation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingisraelnews.com/98132/iran-trying-bring-islamic-end-days-syria/amp/#ampshare=https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/98132/iran-trying-bring-islamic-end-days-syria/

After the people of the prince has taken Jerusalem and killing Israelis ,trump goes off on many middle eastern countries and northern Africa.

http://biblehub.com/daniel/11-44.htm

Islam is going to have a bad day .Things just not going to turn,out the way they thought.

9 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

Incorrect. The Raptured Saints will dwell in the New Jerusalem, Not in Israel. That is what the Bible tells us, not what some human being interprets It to say.

Where does the bible say the raptured saints dwell in New Jerusalem?

Can you give is the verse that contains this information so we can examine it?

20 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Question: "What are Gog and Magog?"

Answer: Historically speaking, Magog was a grandson of Noah (Genesis 10:2). The descendants of Magog settled to the far north of Israel, likely in Europe and northern Asia (Ezekiel 38:2). Magog seems to be used to refer to "northern barbarians" in general, but likely also has a connection to Magog the person. The people of Magog are described as skilled warriors (Ezekiel 38:15; 39:3-9).

Gog and Magog are referred to in Ezekiel 38-39 and in Revelation 20:7-8. While these two instances carry the same names, a close study of Scripture clearly demonstrates they do not refer to the same people and events. In Ezekiel’s prophecy, Gog will be the leader of a great army that attacks the land of Israel. Gog is described as “of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal” (Ezekiel 38:2-3). Ezekiel's battle of Gog and Magog occurs in the tribulation period, more specifically in the first 3 1/2 years. The strongest evidence for this view is that the attack will come when Israel is at peace (Ezekiel 38:8, 11). The description from Ezekiel is that of a nation that has security and has laid down its defenses. Israel is definitely not at peace now, and it is inconceivable that the nation would lay down its defenses apart from some major event. When Israel's covenant with the Beast/Antichrist is in effect at the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week (also known as the 7-year tribulation, Daniel 9:27a), Israel will be at peace. Possibly the battle will occur just before the midpoint of the seven-year period. According to Ezekiel, Gog will be defeated by God Himself on the mountains of Israel. The slaughter will be so great it will take seven months to bury all of the dead (Ezekiel 39:11-12).

Gog and Magog are mentioned again in Revelation 20:7-8. The duplicated use of the names Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8-9 is to show that these people demonstrate the same rebellion against God and antagonism toward God as those in Ezekiel 38-39. It is similar to someone today calling a person "the devil" because he or she is sinful and evil. We know that person is not really Satan, but because that person shares similar characteristics, he or she might be referred to as "the devil."

The book of Revelation uses Ezekiel's prophecy about Magog to portray a final end-times attack on the nation of Israel (Revelation 20:8-9). The result of this battle is that all are destroyed, and Satan will find his final place in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).

It is important to recognize that the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is quite different from the one in Revelation 20:7-8. Below are some of the more obvious reasons why these refer to different people and battles.

1. In the battle of Ezekiel 38-39, the armies come primarily from the north and involve only a few nations of the earth (Ezekiel 38:6, 15; 39:2). The battle in Revelation 20:7-9 will involve all nations, so armies will come from all directions, not just from the north.

2. There is no mention of Satan in the context of Ezekiel 38-39. In Revelation 20:7 the context clearly places the battle at the end of the millennium with Satan as the primary character.

3. Ezekiel 39:11-12 states that the dead will be buried for seven months. There would be no need to bury the dead if the battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is the one described in Revelation 20:8-9, for immediately following Revelation 20:8-9 is the Great White Throne judgment (20:11-15) and then the current or present heaven and earth are destroyed, replaced by a new heaven and earth (Revelation 21:1). There obviously will be a need to bury the dead if the battle takes place in the early part of the tribulation, for the land of Israel will be occupied for another 1,000 years, the length of the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6).

4. The battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is used by God to bring Israel back to Him (Ezekiel 39:21-29). In Revelation 20, Israel has been faithful to God for 1,000 years (the millennial kingdom). Those in Revelation 20:7-10 who are rebellious are destroyed without any more opportunity for repentance.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Gog-Magog.html

So you believe the book of revelations does not contain gogs invasion of Israel at all.What reason,would God have left such information out of the book of revelation?

Or could it be that he actually did put that infomation in the book of revelation but the scholars you are being led by simplest can't believe God?

Ps,the first time God destroyed the earth it was by water.

The bible teaches next time it will be by fire.How does it say gog is destryed in,Ezekiel?

http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/39-6.htm

Why would they need to burry the bones in ezekiel if God destroys Gog with fire?

Well same thing happens in revelation but you say they won't have to burry any bones???

http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-9.htm

Sure looks the same to me

30 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Scripture tells me they are two different invasions and two very different times.

Ok.Revelations shows the time.It states that Gog shall,invade Israel 1000 years after The beast and false prophet are cast into a lake of fire "Armeggeddon".

Since you say Ezekiel,says it is at a different time, what verse or verses in Ezekiel are you looking at that shows it at a different time?