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  1. 3 hours ago, tatwo said:

    We are not talking about the crucifixion Shiloh...your all over the map here...you are a restless soul on and endless flight.

    Tatwo...:)

    The Lord of the two witnesses was crucified .So yes, we are talking about a crucification.

     

    Revelation 11:8

    Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified

     

     

    Who do you believe their Lord is ,who was crucified?

    Are you afraid to say his name or you don't know anyone that was crucified?

     

     

     

     

     

     

  2. 2 hours ago, tatwo said:

    You say they are Yahshua's witnesses

    You say the angel is speaking...in Revelation 11

    In 11:3 it says..."I will grant authority to my two witnesses" 

    Now using your logic...they are Yahshua's witnesses...which are granted "authority" from an "angel"..."my two witnesses?"

    Is that how you see it?

    Redd...:)

    From my logic.

    Their Lord was crucified.Yes,I believe their Lord who was crucified is Jesus.

     

    Revelation 11:8

    Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified

     

     

    Who do you believe was crucified?

  3. 3 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

    "The little horn was seeking to change laws before this war started."

    "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution." (Donald Trump—April 3, 2022)

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    The seed of Abraham has inherited the land promised to them thousands of years ago.Just goes to show you,God keeps his promises."

    You have one problem. That didn't happen thousands of years ago. Daniel is addressing HIS PEOPLE—The Jews. The text says of them: "whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."

    The Jews did not have an everlasting kingdom. They were scattered in A.D. 70. And neither do "all dominions shall serve and obey him." The dominions today serve "the god of this world," a.k.a. SATAN.

    And please respond back saying this kingdom is merely spiritual. I have my verses on the ready.

    Here are the saints in their everlasting kingdom.This  the same land wherein the little horns kingdom was located before it's destruction 

     

     

    Revelation 20

    And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

     

     

    These saints are not in America.

  4. 1 minute ago, tatwo said:

    An "angel"...one created to "serve" humanity...is "Lord" of the "two witnesses"...is that what you are suggesting?

    Additionally...there is much to understand about how these witnesses operate in terms of the power they are given...did you catch where these witnesses came from Shiloh?

    Tatwo...:)

    You asked me who was speaking.

    John said the angel was speaking.

     

    Simple question got a simple and honest answer.

     

     

    Revelation 11

    11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

    But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

  5. 3 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

    "The little horn was seeking to change laws before this war started."

    "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution." (Donald Trump—April 3, 2022)

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    The seed of Abraham has inherited the land promised to them thousands of years ago.Just goes to show you,God keeps his promises."

    You have one problem. That didn't happen thousands of years ago. Daniel is addressing HIS PEOPLE—The Jews. The text says of them: "whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."

    The Jews did not have an everlasting kingdom. They were scattered in A.D. 70. And neither do "all dominions shall serve and obey him." The dominions today serve "the god of this world," a.k.a. SATAN.

    And please respond back saying this kingdom is merely spiritual. I have my verses on the ready.

    I said the kingdom was promised to the seed of Abraham thousands of years ago.

    Genesis 17

    And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

     

     

    God promised to give the land of Canaan ,where the little horn dwells today ,to the seed of Abraham for an everlasting possession.After the little horns kingdom is destroyed,that kingdom will be given to Abrahams seed for an everlasting possession.

     

    Daniel 7

     

    26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

    27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

     

     

    The kingdom.will be taken from the antichrist Jews who govern it day and given to the saints of Israel for an everlasting possession.All them in Christ who is Abrahams seed.

     

    Galatians 3:16

    The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

     

     

    The prophecy has nothing to do with Rome or the americas.Rome was never promised to be an everlasting kingdom for the seed of Abraham nor was America.

  6. 9 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

    LOL You did it again. Weeeeeeee!

    It is not easy to keep your focus in one place. You just completely ignore my points, which are equipped with Scripture and highlighted in boldface type, showing that these references have a human being at the center of power, and he is the Little Horn, the Beast, the Antichrist.

    Will the Antichrist have those in Israel "who forsake the covenant?" Yes. But that does not prove that Israel is the Whore, and neither does it prove Islamic nations are the Beast.

    The boldface text of yours shows Israel defeating Syria,Jordan and Egypt .That war took place before Benjamin netanyahu became primi minister.Therefore the he in your texts is the Israeli government as a whole which calls itself Israel.

    You brought the little horn into the discussion,I'm just following suit.

    Also the ten that came up before the little horn came up in 1948,all came up before 1948.

    These are past prophecies you quoted.

    The next verse to be fulfilled which you quoted is

    Daniel 7

    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

     

     

    As I said,the little horn was trying to change laws before this war started.Im.sure he will resume latter this year or the beginning of next.The persecution of the saints in Israel also mentioned in this verse does not start until the man of sin gives netanyahu his armed forces and the daily sacrifice is abolished.

    The United States armed forces occupy Israel for 42 months.During that time,the leaders of Jerusalem will persecute the saints in Israel.

     

    Mathew 23:34

    Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
     

     

    The saints are not persecuted in the United states. They are imprisoned and killed In Israel by Israel's rulers.

  7. 2 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

    This happens a lot: Rather than address "my texts" as I do yours, you simply ignore them and move on to your next pretext. 

    Let's take a closer look at this little "country" horn.

    "I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things." (Daniel 7:8)

    "I looked then because of the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. (Daniel 7:11)

    "the horn that had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and that seemed greater than its companions." (Daniel 7:19-20)

    "He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time." (Daniel 7:25-26)

    "23And at the latter end of their kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their limit, a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise. 24His power shall be great—but not by his own power; and he shall cause fearful destruction and shall succeed in what he does, and destroy mighty men and the people who are the saints. 25By his cunning he shall make deceit prosper under his hand, and in his own mind he shall become great. Without warning he shall destroy many. And he shall even rise up against the Prince of princes, and he shall be broken—but by no human hand.

    That should sufice. But we could head over to Daniel 11 if you'd like more.

    Horns in Scripture represent both countries AND the Kings ruling them, who are anointed by oil contained in a "horn."


     

    Now if we go over to Daniel 11,we will find the little horn being given a host by the man of sin.Same as Daniel 8.

     

    Daniel 8:12

    And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

     

    Daniel 11:31

    31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 

     

     

    See the armed forces belong to the man of sin.They are his armed forces.But he gives them to the little horn so that the daily sacrifice is abolished.

    You picking up what I'm throwing down?

  8. 11 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

    Sure, there is a vast sea of such principalities, which in the end give rise to the seven-headed-ten-horned antichrist entity which conveys the whore of Babylon until "she" becomes too burdensome and is destroyed as part of God's Unfolding Judgment.

    Rev 17:1  Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
    Rev 17:15  Then he said to me, "The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.
    Rev 13:1  Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

    I think there are plenty of people who would like to destroy that prostitute today if they could.Give it a couple of years and the Medes will be ready.

    The city has a good ending after the prostitute gets burned so be sure and read to the end.

    Isaiah 1

    Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

    Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.

    From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

    Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

    And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

    Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

    10 Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

     

    11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

    12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

    13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

    14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

    15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

    16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

    17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow

     

    18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

    19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

    20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

    21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

    22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:

    23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

    24 Therefore saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:

    25 And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:

    26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.

  9. 1 minute ago, tatwo said:

    Atta boy/girl...now I can see you...no I didn't...I merely agreed with your post...you "spoke" it yourself...look again.

    Tatwo...:)

    No need to.

    I never said Jesus told anyone to kill another human being.Jesus never told anyone to torment or kill anyone.

     

    I guess you see what you want to see.You want to believe Jesus has  commanded his servants to kill so that's what you see.

  10. 1 minute ago, Jonathan Dane said:

    This happens a lot: Rather than address "my texts" as I do yours, you simply ignore them and move on to your next pretext. 

    Let's take a closer look at this little "country" horn.

    "I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things." (Daniel 7:8)

    "I looked then because of the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. (Daniel 7:11)

    "the horn that had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and that seemed greater than its companions." (Daniel 7:19-20)

    "He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time." (Daniel 7:25-26)

    "23And at the latter end of their kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their limit, a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise. 24His power shall be great—but not by his own power; and he shall cause fearful destruction and shall succeed in what he does, and destroy mighty men and the people who are the saints. 25By his cunning he shall make deceit prosper under his hand, and in his own mind he shall become great. Without warning he shall destroy many. And he shall even rise up against the Prince of princes, and he shall be broken—but by no human hand.

    That should sufice. But we could head over to Daniel 11 if you'd like more.

    Horns in Scripture represent both countries AND the Kings ruling them, who are anointed by oil contained in a "horn."


     

    Everything you just quoted about the little horn fits Israel like a glove.Ive known that for more than 20 years now.

    The little horn was seeking to change laws before this war started.I expect he will return to it later this year or early next.

     

    By the way.Who is given that kingdom.of the little horn after it is burned?

     

    Daniel 7

    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

    27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

     

     

    Well look at that would you.

    The seed of Abraham has inherited the land promised to them thousands of years ago.Just goes to show you,God keeps his promises.

  11. 9 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

    So far Complete World Domination has eluded political entities, but not for want of trying.

    Rome wasn't even the largest kingdom of its time .The Han dynasty was.

     

    In terms of territorial extent and population, the Han Dynasty (China) was bigger than the Roman Empire. At its height in the second century AD, the Han Empire covered approximately 6.5 million square kilometers and had a population of around 60 million people.May 3, 2023

  12. 1 minute ago, tatwo said:

    No...here's the thread... S> Shilohsfoal...T> Tatwo

    S> If you show me where Jesus commands his witnesses to kill and torment other people ,then you can say I make things up.

    T> Whose witness are they?

    S>Jesus

    S>Revelation 11:8

    S> Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and S> Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified

    T> Who is speaking in Revelation 11:3?

    S> Their Lord was crucified.

    T> Ok then...clarify for me...please...did I sufficiently show you "where Jesus commands his witnesses to kill and torment other people?" Quoting Yahshua "Jesus" as you requested Shilohsfoal?

    S> I did not see where you quoted Jesus telling his witnesses to kill and torment people. Did I miss it?

    T> You must have...because you said it yourself Shiloh...

    It's in the way you "write" Shiloh...I am not suggesting that you have no idea about what you are saying...I have said I find you hard to follow...now you have found that you are challenged in following yourself...don't take it as a "slight" bro...be affirmed and grow.

    Tatwo...:)

    So you didn't show me where Jesus tells his witnesses to kill and torment other people .Then you say I said he did which I didn't.

     

    Since the two witnesses are doing the opposite of what their Lord has commanded them in the gospel ,then I'd say they are going to have a bad day when their Lord comes.

     

  13. 2 minutes ago, Jonathan Dane said:

    The fourth beast was Rome. The last beast at the end of the age is comprised of elements of the previous four and led by the Little Horn—a man. It is different from the previous beasts.

    The little horn is not a little man.Its a little country.Israel.

    I'm sure your not thinking 6'3"Trump is a little man.lol

  14. 4 minutes ago, Jonathan Dane said:

    I don't know where to begin.

    5And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. (Rev 13:5)

    "18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man (Rev. 13:18)

    "20And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. (Rev. 19:20)

    Scripture pictures "it" as a beast because HE is a like unto a beast. The apostle Paul calls "him" the "SON of Perdition."

    Again, kingdoms and systems are not thrown alive into the Lake of Fire. PEOPLE ARE. (Rev. 19:20)

    You are describing Israel as a beast. No doubt, Israel has dross that God will cleanse. But the whole purpose of the Tribulation is just that—TO CLEANSE ISRAEL.

    17And the word of the LORD came to me: 18 "Son of man, the house of Israel has become dross to me; all of them are bronze and tin and iron and lead in the furnace; they are dross of silver. 19Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Because you have all become dross, therefore, behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. 20As one gathers silver and bronze and iron and lead and tin into a furnace, to blow the fire on it in order to melt it, so I will gather you in my anger and in my wrath, and I will put you in and melt you. 21I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of my wrath, and you shall be melted in the midst of it. 22As silver is melted in a furnace, so you shall be melted in the midst of it, and you shall know that I am the LORD; I have poured out my wrath upon you." (Ezekiel 22:17-22)

    This is not because of God's hatred but His love. I can provide countless verses of God's eternal love for Israel (as in both the nation and its people, the Israelites.)

     

    Daniel 7:23

    He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.

  15. 1 hour ago, Jonathan Dane said:

    Rev. 13 says the False Prophet will set up an image of the Beast (the Antichrist) for worship. 2 Thess 2 also says the Antichrist will present himself in the temple as God. So, yes, although the exact words are not used, he offers himself as God for worship.

     

    AND YES, DONALD TRUMP HAS ALREADY SHOWN CLEAR SIGNS OF THIS MINDSET.

    Revelation 13 says the second beast will make an image of the first beast which recieved the deadly would and was healed.

    The beast which received the deadly wound in 70 ad and was healed in 1948 is the nation of Israel .

    The false prophet is described as having two horns like a lamb.These are two witnesses which will be occupying Israel for 42 months giving orders to the United States armed forces which Trump gives to Israel in Daniel 11:31.

    The evangelical.armed forces kill  Muslims who do not bow to Israel.

    And yes,he will cause Israel to rule over many.

     

     

    Daniel 11:39

    He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.

     

  16. 57 minutes ago, Jonathan Dane said:

    I think you are stringing unrelated passages together to support a pretext. I do not care to get into the eschatalogical weeds with you on who is who. 

    I believe the kings of the East represent the orient, as is traditionally taught in premillennial circles, not Muslim nations that surround Israel.

    Rev. 17 says these 10 kings are kings that are installed as kings *for a short period.* This prostitute *rules* over these kings. Are you suggesting the Israel will rule over 10 Islamic nations? Not gonna happen.

    Again, I believe you are mixing and matching various unrelated passages to support an Islamic End-time Theory that I find has no basis in Scripture. Islam is not a kingdom. It is a 1600-year-old religion. Both Daniel and Revelation say that this last kingdom arises for a short time before the Return of Christ, which coincides with the short rule of the Antichrist, aka, the Beast.

    There is a end-time Beast kingdom, but it is not Israel. The Beast is the Antichrist. And yes, he will have a kingdom of sorts, as Daniel makes clear. But Rev. 13 refers to *him* with the masculine personal pronoun. *He* has a mouth that speaks. The end of Rev. 19 says an angel will grab hold of the Beast and the False Prophet and throw *them* ALIVE into the Lake of Fire. Kingdoms are not thrown *alive* into the Lake of Fire. PEOPLE are.

    There's going to be a lot more than two people being cast into the fire.

    Mathew 13:41-42

    The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.

    They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

     

     

    The  promised land which was promised to Abraham and his seed Christ will be on fire.Even the Egyptians which is one of the nations that attacks Israel will be consumed.And no one will live in Egypt for 40 years.

     

    zech 14

    12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

     

     

    Hundreds of millions of people are going to die.Not just two.

  17. 2 hours ago, other one said:

    I think we must read two different Bibles.

    The question about evangelicals being in the armed forces, I would need your definition of an evangelical person.

    The bible doesn't say anything about the man of sin demanding worship.

    It actually says the second beast which is the armed forces cause people to worship the first beast who's deadly wound was healed.

    It's like all the evangelicals who expect everyone should worship the Israel.Aka,the beast.

     

     

    https://www.newsweek.com/christian-fundamentalists-us-armed-forces-national-security-threat-613428

     

     

  18. 7 minutes ago, other one said:

    So does Trump demand people worship him and cut their heads off if they refuse?

    The man of sin does not demand worship of himself.He exalts himself but scripture does not say he demands anyone to worship him.

    He simply gives Israel an army to defend Israel.He fails to keep Israel safe and Israel is overrun by its enemies.

     

    So what do you think of evangelicals In the armed forces?You think they are doing the right thing serving the president of the United states?

  19. 42 minutes ago, tatwo said:

    Well typically in scripture “horns” symbolize the power and authority of the creature that bears it or them...often time in relationship to “kings.” Additionally I have seen where it can symbolize a “horn” as in trumpet like instrument…pushing forth “a sound.” Perhaps there are more symbolic references however it is these that come to mind for me now.

     In the case of the second beast you reference…perhaps it is both?

     How do you see it?

     Tatwo…

    The two horns symbolize power and authority just as you said. They are given power for 1260 days.

    Revelation 11

    And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

     

    Much like Pontis Pilate was given power from above,so are these to commanders .

     

     

    I believe president Trump will send them to Israel next year to protect the Israeli government and keep the people of Israel nice and safe.

     

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