Shilohsfoal

40 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

I think you are one of those Hebrew Israelite.  Could be wrong,  could you confirm ?. 

No

I just pay close attention to what Jesus says and less about what everyone else says.

When Jesus says "let them which are in judea flee to the mountains",I believe them which are in judea will flee to the mountains.I don't assume them in China will.I also don't assume the disciples in Saudi Arabia will be beaten in synagogues when Jesus said they would be In Israel.

Lets get back on topic ,shall we?

It's about when the man of sins armed forces arrive in Israel.Not Mexico.

Daniel 11:31

His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.
 

18 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

[emphasis above mine]

Oh, you wanted to know... I guess that makes it right in your own eyes to consult with whatever sources are available.

Have you no fear of the leaven of Mohammadism? Why not?

I could understand someone purposely being familiar with the Quran if God called them as a missionary to spread the Gospel in lands of Islam. But not because one is trying to understand the Bible itself and wants to know something in it. That makes no sense to me. However, I am sure it is a reality for you now however, and you’ll probably call me ignorant again. But I would rather be ignorant and wise, than knowledgeable about fables and foolish.

Shilohsfoal, you worry me and make me think of Saul, from whom the Spirit of God departed, and he too, like you, wanted to know -  

1 Samuel 28:6 - And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets [of Holy Writ]. 7 Then said Saul unto his servants, “Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.”

If God is really with you Shilohsfoal, and IF He wanted you to know, then have you not ears to hear what the Spirit is saying? I doubt it was the leading of the Holy Spirit for you to read the source upon which you have established your eschatology conclusions and would therefore say your mortar is surely untempered.

Eze 13:14  - So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 15 Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;

 Eze 22:28 - And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD has not spoken such.

Or maybe it is simply God doesn’t want you to know, in that it isn’t your calling to make these things known unto others. So, to you God might be saying as He did to Daniel (who also wanted to know), said “I heard but I understood not, so I asked, “O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?” Yet the Lord replied, “Go your way, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.”

And yet, here was Daniel, a man you keep pointing me to, who we both know “in all matters of wisdom and understanding… was found ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm.” Yet Daniel was but a deliverer of prophecies and not the deliverer of the interpretations thereof. Over and over Daniel had to ask an angel for their meanings or wait for God to give a vision of interpretation in matters.

And yet, because you wanted to know and understand what is written in Revelation, you went and read the Quran and the musings of a prophet of Allah? Really? Is there a good example of this in scripture, for I know of none….

IMHO, any truly regenerated believer should know it is only the Lord that “gives wisdom and understanding,” that the Bible alone is a “sure word of prophecy.” Not Mohammad or Allah, nor a moon god….

Did not God reveal His secrets unto Daniel in a night vision, and Daniel said, “Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are His?”  Shiloahsfoal, Daniel didn’t figure any of this out, and neither will you.

Did Daniel not tell us that it is the God of the Jews that “changes the times and the seasons, removes and sets up kings, and give wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding,” and not Allah or his prophets?

Are you so unwise that you go to another prophet of a moon god to get your understanding? Is God’s ear so dull of hearing that you like Saul cannot get His attention, and yet, because you want to know, you’re willing to run after worldly wise men, sorcerers, wizards, and prophets of other unsaving faiths?

It is God alone, who thanks to Jesus Christ by His Spirit, still “reveals the deep and secret things and knows what is in the darkness, for the light dwells with Him.” And yet even if the moon is full, that is the light you choose to walk by, because you want to know?

How much better your message would be if you were telling me that, the “God of my fathers, has given me wisdom and might, and has made known unto me what I desired of Him…”

Even after his seven years of derangement and madness did Nebuchadnezzar say, “I and extol and honor [only] the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and His ways judgment: and those that walk in pride is He able to abase.”

And Belshazzar, when he was greatly troubled with the handwriting on the wall, “and cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers… and all wise men of Babylon” and yet “they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof.”

Again, it was Daniel, the prophet of the true and living God that alone could bring an answer, saying “Let your  gifts be to yourself, and give your rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation.”

And Just how was this Daniel you keep pointing to able do this? He had been given this gift, and grace according to the measure of his gift. It was not his wisdom, his own ability, nor even his own desire per se’, but according to God purposes Who sets up and removes kings was Daniel being used.  For “To one is given the working of miracles; and to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits; to another is given divers kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of thereof.”

 And again, do you not know or remember how in Daniel when “It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom, and over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first?”

And how in their pride and jealousy, “All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any god or man for thirty days,” save Darius the king? And that with no other intent of getting Daniel killed, banned from their personal forum?

And when Darius realized he had been tricked, how he “was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him,” but couldn’t? 

So did Darius pray to the Persian gods or seek the counsel of the other “wise men?” No, even this pagan king did no such thing.

Instead, “the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting: forbidding instruments of music to be brought before him, though his sleep went from him.” And “very early in the morning” Darius arose “and when he came to the den, he cried with a lamentable voice unto Daniel, ‘O Daniel, servant of the living God, was your God whom you serve continually able to deliver you from the lions?’”

Because of Daniel, Darius knew that the God of Daniel was alone able to do these things, and therefore ended up making another decree, “That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for HE is the living God, and steadfast forever, and HIS kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and HIS dominion shall be even unto the end.”

How much more wisdom could be gleaned form the Book of Ester, with Haman being exposed for all his sins and all his plans finding their fulfillment upon him, instead of the Jews? When King Ahasuerus “hung Haman on the gallows that he had prepared for Mordecai.” King Ahasuerus too makes a decree he wrote “according to all that Mordecai commanded unto the Jews… in the king Ahasuerus' name, and sealed it with the king's ring, and sent letters by posts on horseback, and riders on mules, camels, and young dromedaries” granting to all “Jews which were in every city to gather themselves together, and to stand for their life, to destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish, all the power of the people and province that would assault them, both little ones and women, and to take the spoil of them for a prey.

 

No, no, and again no, I will have no pagan gods involved in my understand… nor do I need prophets of another spirit here….

I will abide in God’s word, and prayer seek His guidance alone to lead me into all truth, living and walking in His Spirit. For what fellowship has the Spirit of Christ with Allah?

Like I said.

I know what the beast from.the abyss and the ten horns think.I know what is on their mind.

You are in your own words(from a position of ignorance)

When the Muslims attack Jerusalem ,killing the two witnesses and raping the women of Israel ,you won't understand how you didn't see it coming even though I told you.

You will still be lost and confused .

Zech 14

² I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 

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Everytime I see the united states sending israel weapons ,it makes me think of this verse.

Daniel 8

²⁴ And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-sends-weapons-israel-growing-calls-cease-fire-rcna145760#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=17119872203265&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Fus-sends-weapons-israel-growing-calls-cease-fire-rcna145760

32 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

So right .  Those information is ONLY for the disciples in Israel.  No other believers are to  heed those instructions . So no persecutions shall come to believers. Got it.

Good.Im.glad you believe Jesus.

Jesus never said you would be persecuted in the cities of Canada.He said the cities of Israel.He is talking specifically about what shall take place in Israel.

²³ But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

If you continue to listen to Jesus ,you can learn who is responsible for the tribulation of the saints in Israel.

Mathew 23:34

Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

"Till the son of man be come".

27 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Fair enough Shiloh...fair enough...I will get back to you.

Tatwo...:)

Remember to quote Jesus.The same guy who gave this commandment to his witnesses.

Mathew 5

⁴³ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

⁴⁴ But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

⁴⁵ That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

It's time to reconsider. The text above speaks of Israel's resurrection and gathering to thier LAND. The 144,000 of Revelation 14 are "redeemed FROM the earth". The setting in Revelation 14 is heaven.

Thanks for the Easter wishes. Very kind of you. But Easter is the feast of the Fertility goddess Ishtar (Diana of Ephesus), so I'll decline. But if you celebrate .... ?

You sure revelation 14 is set in heaven?

You believe everyone in heaven will receive the mark of the beast in revelation 14?

Oh my

The redemption of the purchased possession does not take place before the tribulation in revelation 14.The Israelis are not redeemed untill after the tribulation and about the same time as when the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem.

Luke 21

²⁸ And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

I think John gave a great description of the abomination of desolation in revelation  6 before the redemption of the 144,000 .Don't you?

12 minutes ago, tatwo said:

You make things up...guess you like the "sound" your soul makes when it is amplified by the internet and reverberates through the hall ways of the darkness of your mind.

Tatwo...:)

Show me where Jesus commands them to torment and kill people as the scripture says they do.

If you show me where Jesus commands his witnesses to kill and torment other people ,then you can say I make things up.

Quote Jesus as I have done here.

Mathew 7:13

So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

9 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

(*insert extremely puzzled face here*)

Well, I am just amazed...

Shilohsfoal, do you remember when you wrote to me last Thursday, (the 28^th) on the  “Some believe he is the chosen one of end times” thread that got shut down? where you asked asked me, “Why do you [BlindSeeker] think I should read non biblical sources to learn biblical verses?”

And you said I was “claiming I'm [or, you - Shilohsfoal, was] making bold words from a position of ignorance" and that it was "is very hateful speech there.”

And remember how you said to me that “...you have no idea what you are talking about." ???

And you accused me of hating, telling me, "Your hate of other christians is very disturbing" and "Your hate for the Catholic church is very disturbing." ???

And how you told that me that my “disregard for the word of God is a huge mistake.” ???

And that, “Perhaps it's time you stop reading extra biblical sources and read what the prophets wrote about the man of sin.” ???

Not to mention the report you gave to other one of me about finding fault with others... it is amazing some things you can almost not-avoid tripping over here due to the height of hypocrisy...

AND now, you are telling me to read the Quran? and study the musings of Mohamad?

Was he one of those "prophets" you were mentioning?

REALLY?

That is your counsel for gaining understanding of Holy Writ?

You are telling people that "If you haven't read the Hadith, then you wouldn't understand??"

Has Worthy Boards turned Chrislam? are the Quran and the Hadith written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in you eyes?

Truthfully, is Mohammad recognized in your eyes as a prophet of God, or of Allah? Exactly where are you? On what foundation are you building upon?

You have truly left me in a sea of disbelief, is this how far Worthy has sunk? Exactly how can this progress with this nonsense from here???

This isn't about "finding fault," because these are your words that I am struggling to understand.... 

Your puzzled because I wanted to know what was on the ten kings minds .

Well your the one working from.a place of ignorance as you say.You are ignorant of what the beast from the abyss and the ten kings think in their mind.I know what's on their mind .That's why I looked into their religion.

Revelation 17:13

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Yes I know ,you still have that puzzled face because(in your own words)you are working from a position of ignorance).

Here is more of what is on their mind ,but you will still be just as lost and confused as ever after you read about them.

9 hours ago, warrior12 said:

It's all about the context in how you are approaching Jesus teachings.   See the next chapter 11

MATTHEW 11 1.And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.

It's all about the context of what Jesus is talking about.Keep it all.in context.

Jesus is speaking to his disciples in Israel telling them what shall happen to them before his coming. He tells them what to say,what to do and tells them how they will be brought before rulers,and many of them will be killed up to the end in verse 22 and his coming in verse 23

 commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

⁶ But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

⁷ And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

⁸ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

⁹ Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

¹⁰ Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

¹¹ And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

¹² And when ye come into an house, salute it.

¹³ And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

¹⁴ And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

¹⁵ Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

¹⁶ Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

¹⁷ But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

¹⁸ And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

¹⁹ But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

²⁰ For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

²¹ And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

²² And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

²³ But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come

9 hours ago, warrior12 said:

So below is what you quoted.   Are the desciples going to be there in the tribulation period ?.   You used a clever word to avoid saying that it is the disciples tribulation and not the actual tribulation.  You play with words .

Your quote "He is talking to his disciples in the land of Israel.He is telling them what they are to do during their tribulation."

 

 

Jesus has disciples in the land of Israel now.Yes they will be there in a couple of years while they are being persecuted.Some of them will be killed just as Jesus tells them.

The tribulation of the disciples in Israel takes place in Israel.The verse below is about the tribulation which takes place in Israel.There are no verses in.the bible showing anyone being imprisoned and killed in Canada for preaching the gospel.

²³ But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come

The great tribulation which takes place after 3.5 years of persecution in Israel is much larger as all the countries which have attacked and overcome the people of Israel are all destroyed.The only people not destroyed throughout almost.those countries are them who believe the gospel and are saved.They are not destroyed by the consuming fire.

24 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Are those verses really about what the disciples to do during their tribulation, or are they instructions to go and preach the Gospel.

So then what are the verses as in Matthew 24, which is really about the end time events are about and especially the one below

 

¹⁴ And this good news of the kingdom (the Gospel) will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.

I would say that while you are posting your end time views on a message board, The disciples in Israel will be beaten in the synagogues 

Luke 21

¹² But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Mathew 10

¹⁷ But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

Mark 13

⁹ But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them

16 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Are those verses really about what the disciples to do during their tribulation, or are they instructions to go and preach the Gospel.

So then what are the verses as in Matthew 24, which is really about the end time events are about and especially the one below

 

¹⁴ And this good news of the kingdom (the Gospel) will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.

You trying to say the tribulation and  Jesus coming in Mathew 10  are not end time events?

Mathew 10

²¹ And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

²² And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

²³ But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come

9 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

Ignorance is not stupidity nor evidence of stubbornness, it's simply a state of not knowing. A wise man understand that everyone is certainly more ignorant than they are knowledgeable, and therefore the first step in successful discourse is to endeavor to understand the position of others.

1 Cor 8:2 - And if any man think that he knows any thing, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.

1 Cor 13:8 - Charity never fails: but prophecies, they shall fail;  tongues, they shall cease; and knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we only know in part, and [at best] we prophesy in part... 12 For now we see through a glass darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

My quest, and hence my questions, is to understand your position and the foundation upon which it stands.

Have you read the Quran or the Hadith about Muslims destroying Dajall's armed forces?They are taught the jihad will take place after a three year drought .They attack after the three year drought caused by the two witnesses .

If you haven't read the Hadith,then you wouldn't understand why the beast that ascends out of the abyss attacks and kills Jerusalems defenders at the time of the end.

Revelation 17:11

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

This beast is Muslim and it attacks Jerusalem killing the two witnesses and the gentiles who accompany them.

Muslkms are taught and believe the world will convert to islam if they win this war.They also believe Jesus will kill the Dajall at that time near the gate of Ludd.

Things don't quite turn out the way they want. The United states destroys them all.The whole middle east from Iran to Egypt will be wiped out.It will be so devastating no one will be able to live in Egypt for 40 years.No foot of man nor beast will even pass through it .

Daniel 11

⁴¹ He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. ⁴² He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. ⁴³ He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites^[e] in submission. ⁴⁴ But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 

It will be the greatest tribulation the world has ever seen.

24 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

In your own words, what does this verse mean to the body of Christ that is scattered around the world ?.

Jesus isn't talking to the body of Christ scattered around the world.

He is talking to his disciples in the land of Israel.He is telling them what they are to do during their tribulation.

Me and you will probably be posting on a message board while they are doing their thing.

Mathew 10

²¹ And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

²² And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

²³ But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come

The  watchmen of Israel do not flee. 

Revelation 12

¹⁷ And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I've considered for a long time who would flee out of the land of Israel when the mark of the beast is given .I believe the Messianic Jews will stay and warn the lost sheep of the house of Israel to repent.Jesus gave a command in the gospel for his disciples to stay in Israel till he comes.He even tells them they will not be buying anything so they will not be carrying any money.(Can't buy anything without the mark of the beast)

Mathew 10

commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

⁶ But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

⁷ And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

⁸ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

⁹ Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

¹⁰ Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

¹¹ And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

¹² And when ye come into an house, salute it.

¹³ And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

¹⁴ And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

¹⁵ Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

¹⁶ Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

¹⁷ But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

¹⁸ And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

¹⁹ But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

²⁰ For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

²¹ And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

²² And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

²³ But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

I could be wrong but I believe the  churches which many of the members are Arabs will flee into the wilderness.I also believe many people who are not descendents of Israel will leave as well.

I will just have to wait to see who stays and who goes .The earth will help the woman who flees so that is one thing to consider.It would be very hard to help.anyone  inside israel once this takes place.And Daniel 11:34 said "little help will arrive".

15 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

You changed the word "creature" to "Israelis" - naughty ... naughty. It is NEW CREATURE - something totally new that never existed before. But try this:

"In the New Man are new Israelis but no Israelis altogether ... "

But nevertheless God bless you abundantly

Have a nice rest of your easter.

Just now, AdHoc said:

I didn't say this. the Bible says it:

2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV (WS))
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, ALL things are become new.

Do you know what "new" means? It means it was not before
Do you know what "passed away" means?
Do you know that "ALL" means "ALL" including ethnicity?

Galatians 3:27-28
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:10-11
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

 

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Ok.,so you believe the Israelis who receive the holy spirit are new Israelis.

So they will still be new when they are resurected at the coming of Christ.

16 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

There was a tabernacle in heaven which Moses took as the pattern for the earthly tabernacle.

There is a Throne in heaven but Christ will set up one on earth.

There is a Mount Sion on earth BUT ALSO IN HEAVEN (Heb.12:22).

The throne set up on earth will be set in Israel where the 144000 are, after Israel has come up out of their graves .

This is talking about the resurrection when they come up out of their graves.

These are the same people reigning with Christ in revelation 20 before Gog and the nations come against them  in revelation 20 and Ezekiel 38.

Ezekiel 37

¹² Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

¹³ And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

¹⁴ And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

¹⁵ The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

¹⁶ Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

¹⁷ And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

¹⁸ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

¹⁹ Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

²⁰ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

²¹ And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

²² And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

²³ Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

²⁴ And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them

²⁵ And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

5 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

You had better read Isaiah 14 again. Here's the full version:

1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. 2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. 3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

The dispersed of Israel will be returned TO THEIR OWN LAND. To their OWN LAND will they take of their oppressors. In their OWN LAND will they cause them to serve.

You pointedly ignored Matthew 19:28 and Jeremiah 30:9 which will have CHRISTIANS RULING ISRAEL.

You pointedly ignored my points.

You pointedly did not rebut the differences between those of Revelation 7 and Revelation 14.

You are selective with verses outside of their context.

You pit scripture against scripture.

So you deny the gospels which show the apostles who are all Israelis receiving the holy spirit since you say there are no Israeli christians.

Yes ,A remnant of Israelis are in Christ and they reign in their land over the nations 

They are in their own land in revelation20 reigning with Christ.

Israel lives in the land of Israel the entire 1000 years before God and the nations attempts to overthrow their kingdom.

Revelation 20

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Your replacement theology is a failure.

31 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

On what basis do you make the 144,000 of Revelation 7:1-8 the same company as the 144,000 of Chapter 14:1-5? The differences are enormous. Here are some:

Those of 7 are from twelve Tribes of Israel, authenticated by Dan missing with Manasseh being there
Those of 14 are from "among men"

The scene of 7 is on earth
The scene of 14 is heaven. The 24 Elders and 4 creatures are there - same as Chapter 4

There are Israelites in the Nation of Israel
There is "no Jew" in the Church (Gal.3:28, Col.3:11)

Those of 7 are "sealed"
Those of 14 have the Father's name in their forehead

Those of Israel are sealed to protect them from what happens on earth (Rev.9:4)
Those in 14 are "redeemed FROM the earth"

Israel is fruit of Jacob
Those of 14 are "firstfruits unto God"

Israel reject Jesus till the "fullness of the Gentiles"
Those of 14 "follow the Lamb"

Israel hate and curse the Lamb
Those of 14 sing before the throne while it is in heaven

Israel deny the Lord Jesus with their mouths
Those of 14 have no guile in their mouths

Israel will go through "Jacob's Trouble" for their sins
Those of 14 are without fault

Those of 7 are in the "four winds" used by the prophets to denote the Nations among who they are scattered (Jer.49:36, Ezek.37:19). They were scattered because of breaking the Law (Lev.26:33)

Those of 7 have no record of embracing the Lamb

Those of 7 are sealed. God did this when Babylon destroyed Jerusalem (Ezek.9:4-6)

The only common factor is their number - 144,000 - the number of New Jerusalem - 12 X 12 X 1,000

Those of 7 are the predicted "REMNANT" of Romans 9 and 11. They keep the Law (Deut.30:1-5)
Those of 14 are the Overcomers from the Churches in apostasy.

Israel hate and persecute Christians.

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Now let's see

Mount Zion is located in Jerusalem , Israel.

Revelation 14:1

.Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

And you believe the 144000 with the name of God in their foreheads standing in the land of Israel can't be Israelis.

lol

2 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

No. I don't teach that. THE BIBLE DOES.

Ok

If you don't want yo believe you will be in heaven,I'm fine with that.

1 minute ago, AdHoc said:

For Revelation 20 - who killed who? Israel killed Christians

For Revelation 20 - Who shall reign? See Matthew 21:43

Exodus 19:5-6 is different to 1st Peter 2:9 -
1. A Kingdom is a sphere of rule with a king and SUBJECTS. That is Israel. "Priests" SERVE! So will Israel in the Millennium (Lk.1:74)
2. A ROYAL priesthhood (the Church) means that all are kings, or that all belong to the king's family. They RULE

God bless.

No 

Revelation 20:6 are all Israelis who don't worship the beast,it's image or recieve it's mark 

They will reign with Christ in his kingdom.

Isaiah 14:2

Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.

The nations don't rule the nations in to he Lords land.Israel reigns with Christ in the Lords land.

revelation 20

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Don't be jealous

16 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

On what basis do you make the 144,000 of Revelation 7:1-8 the same company as the 144,000 of Chapter 14:1-5? The differences are enormous. Here are some:

Those of 7 are from twelve Tribes of Israel, authenticated by Dan missing with Manasseh being there
Those of 14 are from "among men"

The scene of 7 is on earth
The scene of 14 is heaven. The 24 Elders and 4 creatures are there - same as Chapter 4

There are Israelites in the Nation of Israel
There is "no Jew" in the Church (Gal.3:28, Col.3:11)

Those of 7 are "sealed"
Those of 14 have the Father's name in their forehead

Those of Israel are sealed to protect them from what happens on earth (Rev.9:4)
Those in 14 are "redeemed FROM the earth"

Israel is fruit of Jacob
Those of 14 are "firstfruits unto God"

Israel reject Jesus till the "fullness of the Gentiles"
Those of 14 "follow the Lamb"

Israel hate and curse the Lamb
Those of 14 sing before the throne while it is in heaven

Israel deny the Lord Jesus with their mouths
Those of 14 have no guile in their mouths

Israel will go through "Jacob's Trouble" for their sins
Those of 14 are without fault

Those of 7 are in the "four winds" used by the prophets to denote the Nations among who they are scattered (Jer.49:36, Ezek.37:19). They were scattered because of breaking the Law (Lev.26:33)

Those of 7 have no record of embracing the Lamb

Those of 7 are sealed. God did this when Babylon destroyed Jerusalem (Ezek.9:4-6)

The only common factor is their number - 144,000 - the number of New Jerusalem - 12 X 12 X 1,000

Those of 7 are the predicted "REMNANT" of Romans 9 and 11. They keep the Law (Deut.30:1-5)
Those of 14 are the Overcomers from the Churches in apostasy.

Israel hate and persecute Christians.

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

You have got to be kidding.

You believe there are no Jews in the church?

Do you also teach there are no men in the church?

Galatians ,3:38

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

Perhaps you are not in the church if you are a man.

22 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

No problem about the mistake, but I'm confused about your accusation. Why would you object to something I have not said. I thought a man is accused by what he HAS said. You've just acknowledged that there was no discussion about the New Covenant and now suddenly, without me having said a word, I'm accused of not acknowledging the Testator.

What's going on?

What more.

All these who are resurected and reign with Christ are Israelites.

Revelation 20:6

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:6 is the fulfillment of the word of God as given to the Israelites through Moses.

Exodus 19

⁵ Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

⁶ And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.