Gleason92

Hello again.  Long story short, I had an unfortunate, sudden but not unexpected death in the family recently.  The adult siblings all gathered.  5 families, 4 of which are lapsed or worse.  We get on the topic of faith, and I'm sent into action.  I defend truth as vehemently as I know how. However, I'm green, an amateur.  I was challenged on the great flood and I was tripped up.  A very sly objection I had never heard or had to defend anywhere.  I was challenged on the timing of the Bible vs. Gilgamesh when it comes to the great flood.  My only defense was to ask for empirical proof of dates and to explain the Bible was orally passed down for a long time as well. 

I also explained how all the Messiah myths of old were simply false Christ stories attempting to fulfill old testament prophecy, and it's backwards to think those myths are the same thing as the Jesus Truth which in fact DID fulfill ALL prophecies (attempting to correlate this logic to the Genesis flood).  But I'm not satisfied with myself on the Gilgamesh topic and would like to ask if anyone could help basically debunk Gilgamesh as an empirical proof of an older flood story compared to Genesis? 

I apologize if the answers are already archived here, I'm just trying to engage some positive discussion, any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

17 minutes ago, BacKaran said:

I wouldnt take it either.
However, the AC will make it known as the Bible says, that one needs to pledge to worship the AC in order to get the mark. You will have to make a final decision, either die for Christ or live and die later for the devil.

since many young people are adopting the liberal leftist pc immorality, i am sure the devil will find plenty of sheeple to take his mark and be proud of it....tragic...

 

You're so right, it IS tragic.  We're watching future history unfold right before our eyes.

If you know what I'm saying?

1 hour ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

You are wrong about the "rapture" event N2 

It is going to happen .... and then the Lord will bring His wrath and destruction upon all that are left who do not believe

There will be a few who will repent for their salvation, but not many

I have to say there was a video link posted on about page 4 or 5 regarding interpretation of end times.

I watched it last night (13 mins long), and it was fascinating.  I didn't want to speak to it until I had a 2nd viewing because it's a treasure trove of information but I think it eloquently explains one man's view (which seems logical and justified) and seemingly touches on some of the themes presented in the last few posts.

Give it a look, at the very least I don't think anyone who watches will be disappointed.

59 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

 "if it were possible", so that means it is not possible.  Is it so or not or am i interpreting this wrong. 

 

True, great point.  Funny how I wrote it,  I've read it countless times, but it took this exchange to open my eyes.  You're right, it's NOT possible based on God's word.  Now we should try to qualify "the elect".  Who do you think exactly was being referred to with that statement? 

The saved?

The Pope?

The 144,000?

Maybe something else?

1 hour ago, 7thseal said:

What if your family and your life rest upon your choice? That's what its going to come down to. Faith will be tested.

 

I totally agree. I'd choose faith over life everytime. After all what is life, without faith?

15 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Let me give another take on this.   Anyone here has been through spiritual warfare. I mean real spirit beings engaging your spirit to do things that are not of God righteousness.  I have been through terrible battles that only I know about as it is in the spirit real that sometimes engages our physical world.   Have you ever had seducing spirits come upon you and gave you intoxicating feelings like you are almost drunk and you have not touched a thing.  Well, i have and it is real.  This is how i know satan can play and manipulate the minds of even God children.  The thing is, if you accept those sensations and relish it and not reject it and war in the spirit against it, then you are overtaken by it and accepting of unclean spirits that comes in as good things. 

 Believe me, these seducing spirits are very powerful and I can see people accepting this as it is like a drug.   I can go into much more than this, but i will stop here as some may already rolling their eyes.  The Lord is my witness as i write this here today is all i would say to that.   The mark I would conclude would be foremost a spiritual allegiance that you would have to accept in your mind as satan issues his tokens or spiritual gifts of ecstasy that the unbelievers for sure would not be able to resist and line up for it.

Sure, there may be some kind of physical mark to associate with the AC system, but no chip or things of this sort would be the identifier of whom you belong to.    The day coming ahead will test many as to their survival and some may make foolish decisions and suffer.     For me, I never like foreign objects upon my body and in that sense does not want chip and other such things inside or outside my being. It is all about whom you put your trust in and it is all done with the heart.   

It is with the heart you believe and no born again believer would sell their heart and soul for any of satan seductions, and believe me they can be overwhelming. The spiritual world is very real people and  I can write a book about the things that I have gone through.  It is not easy to talk about these things, nevertheless they are real and i have to give my testimony or part thereof.  

This is wonderful, thank you.

I would like to add to this piece:

"no born again believer would sell their heart and soul for any of satan seductions" 

So true, but they most certainly could be deceived into it, even the elect, if it were possible.

11 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

The mark is never mentioned apart from the image.  The two are inseparable.  The mark is actually a part of the image; its how compliance is enforced.  The bigger question is "what is the image."  Rather than go into it here, here's a link to a short video I did on the subject for those who are interested.

I look forward to watching your video when I'm out of work, Maybe even at lunch, this piqued my curiosity immensely.

Thanks for the post.

12 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

Revelation 13:16 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

This explanation makes perfect sense and I've certainly read the more esoteric, figurative interpretation of the above. Your entire explanation was great.

So, based on this understanding and my hypothetical scenario, is it safe to assume you would have no issue with receiving an electronic chip in your right hand, to buy and sell, in the name of safety and security?

2 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

 

So it has to do with worship. I can't see a chip being implanted in the forehead or in the hand as being anything. Can you imagine the time it would take to implant everyone....especially in places like India or China, going around to all the villages.

Hi Joe! Thanks for your thoughts.  When reading the above piece I think about how willingly people line up for the latest gadgets, and it begs the question of how many people willingly adopted smartphones (me included).  I think with the right deception, the majority will willingly stand in line for false promises of something "better", "safer" or "more secure".

20 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

Not to get off topic too much, but two things:

1. I was thinking that when I originally typed it. 

2. Remember his "Bush as a child" routine? "Not gonna eat my broccoli, mamma. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent. Not at this juncture."

Oh yeah, I remember lol, classic.

16 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Two quotes on my signature:

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule it." ~ H. L. Menken

Tyranny always begins with, "This is for your protection." 

LOVE these quotes, thank you!

38 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

No, I'd not do it. But for me it's a personal freedom thing. Just as I stopped health insurance the day Obamacare kicked in, because requiring me to buy a thing, simply because I'm a citizen, is unconstitutional, requiring an implant is the same thing. Not gonna do it.

Great point, and of course I read the last sentence in my "Dana Carvey's George Bush Sr. Impression voice"

I can see Dana at the podium, in costume......"not gonna do it"

God bless.

3 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

The Social Security number was thought to be the Mark of the Beast. If there are no strings attached to the Chip of a global market, go for it.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Thanks for that, I find all the different outlooks fascinating.

12 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Note what it says in my signature.

Not to derail but little by little I learn the limitations of using my phone for this forum.

I have never seen anyone's signature, nor did I realize it was even an option to have one here.

Just now, shiloh357 said:

No, that's reality.  I am outdoorsman and I know what is out there and what it would take to survive for any length of time beyond a week or two.

I don't doubt it the slightest, I'm an indoorsman who'd probably die in the first hour lol, but no faith you would be spiritually guarded? 

37 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Well, there may myriads of new enhancements that would use bio-medical implants  that allow you to extend the use of limbs ect.  Take for example, the pacemaker today, it allows people to live as it helps the heart to function and it is a mechanical device. With AI [artificial intelligence ] that is at the doorstep, there would be plenty of breakthroughs that would allow people to function better, be it limbs or organs, with chip technology.  You would have a choice in a sense, but i can see everyone using the technology to live better lives.   Technology in itself is good for mankind, but is there a thing as too much and invasive ones an issue.    

 

I follow you now. 

I do find something suspicious about promising medical Nirvana if you agree to get chipped, however. 

In essence isn't it contradicting God's decree after the fall?

11 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

You would not survive in the woods for very long, as you would operate from a constant calorie vitamin deficit because you cannot grow enough food soon enough to eat it before your body cannibalizes itself.  It takes months before the food you grow would be ready and you will still have a deficit of needed carbohydrates and protein.  And there is no way to carry months of food for an entire family into the woods. Your immune systems would fail due to exposure to the elements, You would face dangers from things like tics with Lyme's disease and Brown Recluse spiders, not to mention predators. What if you severely injure yourself and you are miles from any kind of health care?  A first aid kit is not medicine and unless you have a family of nurse practitioners and surgeons in the woods with you, you would be in a bad way.  You would essentially become refugees and die with in a matter of weeks.  And then there are natural disasters which would pretty much tear down any shelter you could build.  And what happens when the winter rolls in and temps are below zero at night and single digits during the day?  You would not last long.  Your weakened immune system would leave you vulnerable to Pneumonia.

If you plan on going and living in the wilderness.  You need to have a secure location already built and stocked with provisions and have a well dug and a way to heat the location and know that you have the ability to hunt and trap and grow food NOW, so that when the time comes you are not out in the woods trying to build a lean-to or whatever.

And if you have thought about doing that, so have others and you might find yourself in a life or death struggle just to keep what supplies you have from desperate people trying to take them from you.   You will find yourself in competition for resources in the same area with other people and there will be no law and order out there and people who would not normally hurt anyone would be willing to kill to survive.  That's no way to live.

Secondly, the mark is not something that the AC will impose.  It is something that the world will want.  He will not have to force it on anyone.  People will be begging for it, and falling all over each other to get.  They will view him as their savior and when the mark is introduced, there will be long lines of people eager to get their mark so that they will be able access their allotted ration of food and provisions.  And it won't be a chip.  

 

All true.  Worldly logic dictates the above consequences.

Regarding the chip, the forced vs non forced issue is why my hypothetical presents a non forced scenario.

So, in your beliefs, since the chip is not the mark, and in my hypothetical where it is not forced and no evidence of Antichrist, but promises of better security, would you get chipped to ensure your safety and security?

55 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

... For medical things, you may not have a choice. ....

You would not be able to outwit the beast system, as they would be thinking of all the ways to cut off believers and enforce their system.  It may come or will come down to laying down your life as survival may become extremely difficult.  The motto for difficult time is "God is in control"....

I'm in general agreement with you, but I'm confused by the first above quote "... You may not have a choice"

I guess it all depends on the individual, unless I'm misunderstanding?

Regarding the 2nd quote above, I agree, no outwitting a beast system.  That's why I'd simply reject it and take my worldly lumps.  No head and full faith beats a doctrine of accommodation every time.

Of course, easy for me to say hiding behind a keyboard, but that's why I'd attempt to remove myself from the world first.  If I'm in God's plan for protection, great! If I'm God's plan for martyrdom, great!

6 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said:

No...I would not take any chip willingly. I don't even chip my pets. Our privacy is already too far gone, why give up more? It wouldn't be THE mark (yet) if it is not connected with worship of the beast. But it's too close ...and I don't like their system anyways. Why would I want my body to be wired in to it permanently?

Anyway...my answer is no, across the board. lol 

I was suckered into chipping my poor doggie (there's that safety and security again), but I've learned some in the ensuing decade and would never do it again. 

When it came to people or family or new pets however? Never.

3 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said:

Only Jesus is worthy and if the blood of Jesus covers and washes us, that is what He sees.... "Worthy!"  

It's so true, but I always feel I can be doing more and doing better for Jesus. I'm the guy who (most likely misinterprets) Jesus' answer to the question of how we get to heaven and wants to give it all up and give it all away.

I don't think the wife and kids are of the same understanding however. ?

1 hour ago, idono said:

There are many chapters in the Bible talking about "run to Israel". The most obvious one is Isaiah 60.

Well, you've given me a new topic to pursue biblically, I'll start with Isiah 60 (sometimes I get too focused on 40) many thanks!

2 minutes ago, Adstar said:

No.. 

 

No..
 

No..

 

I would never take a Chip into my body..  And as the Bible says about Safety and Security..  1 Thessalonians 5: KJV 2 "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. {3} For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

 

I would walk away.. My eternal life is far more important then my flesh life on this planet..

 

Thank you and I agree 1000%. 

56 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

I won't be here for it.

I hope to not be here either, but as an ugly sinner, I never quite feel "worthy" enough.

15 minutes ago, idono said:

Run to Israel.

I guess there will be a time, Israel will open its door for Christian Refugees from all over the world to move into it.

Before the chips made compulsory make sure you could be Rapture. 

This is fantastic and something I never considered given the distance involved. Thanks!

47 minutes ago, Hidden In Him said:

LoL. 

Well, personally it would give me the creeps, so I wouldn't be wild about the idea, that's for sure. But then I never cared for things like vaccinations either.

See, I don't believe a microchip will be what the mark of the Beast actually is, so my answer may be different than what others will say. Believing it is actually NOT the mark or anything resembling it, I suppose I would just go with the flow and get a microchip if it were passed as a law. But that's just me. 

Btw, I hope I'm not messing up your thread by saying that, LoL. Just throwing my two cents in.

Lol, NO.  I'm thankful and grateful you replied ?.  There's no right or wrong "answer" and yours was great!  I'm too skeptical to go with the flow if this micro chipping seeps into worldly culture.  

I know there's as many varying beliefs on end times as their is flavors of ice cream at Baskin Robbins.  I'm actually hoping to read some varied ideas on this concept, thanks again!