DeighAnn

Please, share this information 'of all unbelievers' being 'redeemed'.

It is not false. You said it yourself THE LORDS 'literal fire' NOT MANS... In the natural 'realm', I agree that fire burns most everything up, but in the 'spiritual' realm that can't be said, can it? You keep using the WISDOM of man to try to prove what is coming OF GOD. Maybe it is time to think in the way of different 'fires' EXODUS 3 1Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. 2And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. Acts 1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 8Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Galatians 1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; 2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. 3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. 8Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. 9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. Colossians 2 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Colossians 2 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21(Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. Hebrews 5 11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Just like in Peter...those are the things that will burn

ARE you READING what IS WRITTEN correctly? Or do YOU TRULY believe THE LAMB and the HOLY ANGELS will spend ETERNITY at the LAKE OF FIRE? Any chance you are reading this through the eyes of some sort of doctrine/belief that might not be right? "The "Lake Of Fire" will be eternal conscious torment of the unsaved wicked for eternity" and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Maybe, instead of the LAMB and Holy Angels being present for 'eternity' at an eternal LOF, it is And the SMOKE of the torment of them TO AGES OF AGES GOES UP, and not have rest day and night those worshiping the beast and the image of it and if anyone receives the mark of the name of it Because the LOF is found in the Lords Day, and the Lords Day is of this heaven and earth age and not the NEW... And that PROOF is found in REV 20...and 21 The Final Judgment 11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. A New Heaven and a New Earth 1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Who is redeemed? Those believing/abiding. Not those who aren't. YES, His work will always remain, He will always be faithful but that doesn't transfer to mean WE will. So, I disagree with the conclusion put forth here, as I don't believe it is written anywhere in that manner but is derived from what is, and the 'suggestion' I refrain from what I have found to be so clearly written and is not a conclusion, is just not......right. His FIRST appearance doesn't guarantee anything except that HIS WORK WAS COMPLETED PERFECTLY, the New Covenant brought forth and is now being offered but we are NOT to treat it in any way we like/think/conclude but must follow and do it HIS WAY...to remain. I hope I maybe misunderstanding you here, and if that is the case, I quickly apologize. PLEASE, give to me GODS WORDS, so that I can see where you are coming from. I will do the same for you. I believe we have to/must abide in Him and what HE DID will never change, but as for US, the ways of the world are able to make us turn back. I believe all of us can fall into deception, if we don't watch. 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whose words are those? And what do we learn before we even get to the NT? 16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. 18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. Hosea 4 1Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. 2 By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood. 3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away. 4 Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest. 5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother. 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. ma'ac - To reject, despise, refuse, abhor 2 Tim1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. 3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. 4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. 6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits. 7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. 8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. 10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny Him, He also will deny us: 720 arneomai to deny, to disown, to reject, to refuse...the act of refusing to acknowledge or accept with a strong implication of rejection or repudiation, especially in of faith and allegiance. 2 Tim 2:13 If we are faithless He faithful remains; to deny for Himself, not He is able apisteó is to disbelieve, be unfaithful, doubt, more like to refuse or reject. "primarily conveys the act of disbelief or lack of faith. It is used in the New Testament to describe a refusal to trust or believe in God, His promises, or His messengers. This term often highlights a spiritual condition of skepticism or doubt, particularly in relation to the gospel message and the person of Jesus Christ" pistos: Faithful, trustworthy, reliable, believing Even though there are those who don't believe in Him or refuse or reject Him, doesn't change WHO HE IS and what HE DOES/offers. Roman 3 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. I believe we should strive to make sure no one ever hears the words 'I never knew you' and the only way to do that is with HIS WORDS and HIS WORDS ALONE. No conclusions, no doctrines, no theories, no 'what he really means'.... and that is how I read the Bible ... If I can't find GOD SAYING it, I don't want to say it either. Again, if I misunderstood, I apologize, if not, I look forward to seeing what verses you put forth for that reply.

And in John we are told...23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify Him in Himself, and shall straightway glorify him. 33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you. 34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Why can't they come 'NOW'? THEY STILL HAVE WORK their own work to do. 36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow Me now; but thou shalt follow Me afterwards. 37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake. 38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice. Let's talk direction Jesus Christ is about to be crucified and is going to be raised up from the dead and is going to sit at the right hand of the Father in heaven upon His throne, AWAITING the day He returns to the earth to sit upon HIS own throne, the throne of David, to rule and reign for 1000 years. THIS is where He sits even unto this day....what do we learn NEXT in John 14? 1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. His going to the 'place of the dead' and being raised up to heaven is yet another reason they COULDN'T GO 'NOW'. He still had work to do. BUT He finished His work as the SERVANT, becoming the Saviour, the Lamb of God, and having been found worthy, went to open the book and to sit at the right hand of GOD in heaven, where He now awaits for US TO FOLLOW HIM, not to await His return to be 'resurrected' from the dead'. He tasted death for us, so we 'NEVER DIE' but keep living and go to the place of the LIVING GOD who is the God of Abraham, Issac and Israel, all living in heaven... 5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me. If He hadn't of finished the works of that day, we would, most likely, still be going to the place of the dead. Confirmed in 1 Thess 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.

How is one 'kept' from deception? Knowledge. Kept is guarded and has nothing to do with 'leaving the body', PATIENT ENDURANCE, keep and guard that knowledge, and in the 'hour' of temptation you won't lose your soul by taking the mark of the beast. Revelation 4 TAKES PLACE BEFORE CHRIST is found worthy HIMSELF so there is NO WAY the 'church' could be there before Him. Wishful thinking is all that is. No, and WRATH doesn't come upon us, it falls upon THEM. Only way it would fall upon 'us' would be if we had become one of THEM. It is our FAITH in Christ that 'delivers' us, not a flying away from the cross we are to pick up and carry to be worthy of Him. Again, KEPT from the hour says NOTHING about 'dead rising' and alive being changed and taken to heaven. To EVERY MAN death and judgment. Every CHURCH 'message' ends with TO HIM who overcomes....not to 'an assembly' of persons who don't. Clearly the WRATH of GOD are the BOWLS POURED OUT, not the hour of temptation. And yes, there are going to be MAJOR CHANGES, but GOD isn't going to be mad at those who have remained faithful to Him. Those caught in the middle are taking the mark of the beast, and it is upon them the wrath falls. That is correct, the blood of the Lamb is our saving grace, so WE DON'T NEED TO FLY AWAY to be saved...it doesn't matter to the Lord...and what about the time of the Gentiles being fulfilled? and what about a house divided? Would He divide His OWN HOUSE when He has given us power over all our enemies? Why give us power at all if it isn't even really necessary? And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me Matthew 10:38 WHY could Christ TAKE THIS FROM US with a pre trib rapture? That makes no sense. Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him 1 Thessalonians 5:10 Romans 14:8-9 - For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage Luke 20:35 32And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: 33Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: 36And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; 38(Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. What about the 'hour' could be SO much worse that a PRE TRIB FLY AWAY would be necessary? Why would the 2nd coming need to mention the resurrection as that question had been clearly asked and answered previously. Why isn't a PRE TRIB fly away MENTIONED ANYWHERE should be a question being asked. No pre trib rapture either.... Just the TWO, no 'third' mentioned here, no 'pre trib' mentioned anywhere. And WHAT would He be coming as??? the servant again? or a King before His return as KING AND LORD? Does He leave the right hand of God or do we believe what is written ?MEANING? So, whatever it MEANS to us, is Truth? Anyways... Let's talk about the OIL. It is those who DON'T HAVE THE OIL who won't know what 'time' it is. And why would 'the Jews' know what is written in the book of Revelation? And aren't those 42 months given to the Gentiles to trample down? If so, then the time of the Gentiles have concluded before then, right? And doesn't the pre trib claim something about the time of the Gentiles? Who says it is prophetic of the rapture? The church isn't even mentioned. Christ ISN'T EVEN THERE YET. And 19 is at the END when the two witnesses have been killed and the Lords Day is about to begin...AFTER the workings of Satan. The 'church' has NEVER been taken to heaven in FACT they were just told many might not MAKE IT AT ALL. Only 2 of them were approved of.... Until you can show a CLEAR departure of 'the church' FROM the earth, GOING TO HEAVEN with DEATH and JUDGMENT, it just isn't going to work. THE ONLY way the 'alive and remaining' at Christs return as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS can be 'changed' is because EVERYONE else on earth will have taken the MARK of the beast. best get to teaching some truth real soon.... FIRST opening of heaven is for THE LAMB OF GOD found worthy. SECOND is for HIS RETURN as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS to rule and reign on the throne of DAVID, here on earth. And the tabernacle IS A SHADOW of what is in heaven....wouldn't that make the elders here a shadow also? Thy will be done on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN....again no 'pre trib' anything but the first death. Going to take this one in a follow up post.

Sure, I'll give you a quick start and if you study it, you too will know for certain where the Kingdom will be when Christ returns 1 Kings 12 the nation divided...each going on to fulfill a covenant...the one made with Abraham of having multitudinous seed, spreading abroad, becoming MANY NATIONS, having kings over them, etc. and the other to fulfill the second covenant of bringing forth the Messiah. The Northern 10 tribe 'house of Israel' which included Ephraim and Manasseh went on to carry out the 'birthright' (Joseph) of the Abrahamic Covenant while the Southern 2 tribe 'house of Judah' the Covenant with David. Even though many of the 'churches' today don't like to go back to 'the schoolmaster' to establish their beginning (FOUNDATION), preferring to start in the MIDDLE of GODS Book, it doesn't work very well that way with any book, let alone with the words of God, and hence the lack of understanding taking place. As to the answer, Leviticus 26 gives us the 7 times punishment that removes from the land and scatters amongst the heathen...and it's beginning comes with the house of Israel by the Assyrians, in chapters 15, 17 and 18 of 2 Kings. House of Judah wasn't completed until King of Babylon finished taking them captive, 24, 25 same book. Since GOD made and EVERLASTING COVENANT He has NOT cast away His people and the Saviour promised is the Saviour that came for THE LOST SHEEP of the HOUSE of ISRAEL. Meaning they weren't those when went into the Babylonian captivity, so they also aren't those who return to build the temple, so weren't around when the House of Judah brought forth the Messiah under the DAVIDIC COVENANT, but were already going throughout the world fulfilling the ABRAHAMIC covenant... Leviticus 26:44 TELLS US HE would not cast His people away, as does Isa 41, Deut 26, etc., and Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. 26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Jer 23 1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. 2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD. 3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. 4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD. 5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; 8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land. So just as Israel became a Nation once again, ALL THE OTHER tribes themselves have become Nations, so it is all Prophecy fulfilled, it's GODS PLAN, and it has nothing to do with 'men' and what they may or may not want. I wonder how many you can find to fulfill not just the prophecies but also the blessings given in Gen 49? I hope your study brings to you what mine did to me.

It was WAY MORE, than 'yeah He allowed it' and we don't have to ask ourselves WHY because HE TOLD THEM/us IT WOULD HAPPEN. And true to His words, exactly as He said it would, it did and it BECAME prophecy fulfilled. And we have proof because we have witnessed the fulfilment of it. From the time the Assyrians started conquering the Northern tribes ending with the southern ones conquered by Babylonians to the times they would become 'new' nations on the earth, the LAST of them being Israel, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for it NOT to have been at GODS HANDS HAND. Do the MATH. Find the dates each of the nations went into captivity, add the 'curse' years and see their new NATION. Once you find several of them and LEARN THAT TRUTH, go to Jerusalem/House of Judah and do the same thing and you will see, it is all perfect...just like ALL the words of GOD are. what you do with it is up to you, only difference is. just can't say you never heard...

And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. How would that read with something other than a cross? 4716 staurós – the crosspiece of a Roman cross; the cross-beam (Latin, patibulum) placed at the top of the vertical member to form a capital "T." "This transverse beam was the one carried by the criminal" Matthew 10:38 from biblehub

What would that change?

IF we just believe what Jesus Christ taught...LIKE LIGHTENING from east to west IS FAST (sometimes just nano seconds) so will HIS KINGDOM come in... If at any time anyone has the time to utter the words 'here or there is Christ' DON'T BELIEVE THEM because the time it takes for those words to come out of their mouth, is LONGER than the time it will take for His Kingdom to come in.... not to mention EVERY EYE will see and EVERY KNEE will bend...NO CONVERSATIONS taking place I would assume... no discussions really needed with the SUPER SUPERNATURAL CHANGES happening...some in the 'blink of an eye'... Kind of along those lines would be 'how long does Gods Wrath take?' If you ever want to know just go grab a wide mouthed shallow bowl, fill with water and pour it out. Not very long, is it? 5357 phiale - bowl, vial...a broad, shallow bowl or dish. 1632 ekcheo - gush forth, pour out, shed, spill.

Also, the Romans didn't really care who 'Jesus' was, to them he was just another prophet of the Jews and wasn't saying anything in regard to Cesar and power. If it weren't for the leaders of the Jews bringing the charges against Him, they wouldn't have even gone after Him (not at that time, anyhow). SO, changing from the way they ALWAYS crucified people to some 'special' type just for Christ makes no sense either.

4717 crucified - which comes from the Greek noun stauros - meaning "cross."

I would NOT want to be the one calling Christ 'the angel of the bottomless pit'....and I hope he removes those words before anyone else reads them.

1000% I agree with you here.

WHOA. I would SERIOUSLY consider removing THOSE words. Deeper study is required. 7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. 9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. 10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. 11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Last verse I would like to point to (again perhaps) John 18:36 Answered Jesus, The kingdom My not is of the world this…. (world being 2889 kosmos which is used for an ordered system like the universe as "an ordered creation". The 'world' in its present state is 'the VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH' and was corrupted way back at the Garden and THAT is the 'world' He is not the King of. Corrupt systems of the world mainly by / through the mystery of iniquity being hard at work, are opposed to and stand in direct contrast to the Divine order of GOD). ….if of the world this were kingdom My, attendants My would fight that not I might be betrayed to the Jews…. (Who were the Jews He was being given over to? Matt 23 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.) …Now however kingdom My not is from here nun 3568 - AT PRESENT, AT THIS TIME enteuthen 1782 a point in time here - being the 'point in time' of this age...the 'days' in which we partake of the flesh and blood bodies…

more verses to consider... yet again Luke 22 24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. 28 Ye are they which have continued with Me in my temptations. 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as My Father hath appointed unto Me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. The kingdom of HEAVEN and the kingdom of GOD are 2 different kingdoms...different in the way in which the 'nation of Israel' is currently made up of 2 different houses, related to one another yet distinctly different. Rightly dividing means applying the right verses to the right kingdom but JUST AS IMPORTANT, NOT applying verses to any they don't...and just as the Houses will soon become one yet again, SO will the kingdom of the LORD GOD, but only once The Lords Day has ended... Christ is presently sitting in the Kingdom of God, at the right hand of Him on the throne yet only until He comes back (at the 2nd Advent), to sit upon His own throne, in His own kingdom, to rule over the nations for 1000 years... Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven Acts 1:11 Matthew 25:31-46 When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. ... Luke 18:8 I tell you, He will promptly carry out justice on their behalf. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?” 1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 1 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God. 2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins. 3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain: 5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. and there are more, so many more.... 63But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. 64Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

I agree, in the Psalm it speaks of THE DELIVERANCE from Egypt but that is not the SUBJECT of the Psalm, and referencing that deliverance doesn't preclude it from SPEAKING TO others, as I see it. WHEN does Egypt deliverance come about in the Psalm and how quickly is it left?? 1 {To the chief Musician, A Psalm or Song of David.} Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him. 2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God. 3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice. 4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. 5A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation. 6God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land. (Now is the DELIVERANCE from Egypt, God going forth before His people referenced) 7O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, when thou didst march through the wilderness; Selah (connecting the verse above with what follows, MORE DELIVERANCE) 8 The earth shook, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved at the presence of God, the God of Israel. 9 Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful rain, whereby thou didst confirm thine inheritance, when it was weary. 10 Thy congregation hath dwelt therein: thou, O God, hast prepared of thy goodness for the poor. 11 The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it. 12 Kings (PLURAL) of armies did flee apace: and she that tarried at home divided the spoil. 13 Though ye have lien among the pots, yet shall ye be as the wings of a dove covered with silver, and her feathers with yellow gold. 14 When the Almighty scattered kings (PLURAL) in it, it was white as snow in Salmon. 15 The hill of God is as the hill of Bashan; an high hill as the hill of Bashan. 16 Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever. 17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place. 18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them. 19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah. 20He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto GOD the Lord belong the issues from death. 21 But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses. 22The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea: 23That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same. 24 They have seen thy goings, O God; even the goings of my God, my King, in the sanctuary. 25 The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels. 26 Bless ye God in the congregations, even the Lord, from the fountain of Israel. 27 There is little Benjamin with their ruler, the princes of Judah and their council, the princes of Zebulun, and the princes of Naphtali. 28 Thy God hath commanded thy strength: strengthen, O God, that which thou hast wrought for us. 29 Because of thy temple at Jerusalem shall kings bring presents unto thee. 30 Rebuke the company of spearmen, the multitude of the bulls, with the calves of the people, till every one submit himself with pieces of silver: scatter thou the people that delight in war. 31 Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God. 32 Sing unto God, ye kingdoms of the earth; O sing praises unto the Lord; Selah: 33 To him that rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old; lo, he doth send out his voice, and that a mighty voice. 34 Ascribe ye strength unto God: his excellency is over Israel, and his strength is in the clouds. 35 O God, thou art terrible out of thy holy places: the God of Israel is he that giveth strength and power unto his people. Blessed be God. Now, we are given deliverance by Christ 1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. And that is why I disagree with you here.

Psalm 110 Of David A Psalm said YHVH to my Lord Sit at My right hand Till I make Your enemies Your footstool The rod of Your strength shall send YHVH out of Zion Rule IN THE MIDST of Your enemies 7130 qereb midst, inner part, inward part, among, within Your people [shall be] volunteers in the day of Your power in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning You have the dew of Your youth Has sworn YHVH and not will relent You [are] a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek The Lord [is] at Your right hand, He shall execute in the day of His wrath kings He shall judge among the nations He shall fill [the places] with dead bodies He shall execute the heads of countries many Of the brook by the wayside He shall drink therefore thus He shall lift up the head

Isa 9 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. 32 1Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment. 2And a man shall be as an hiding place from the wind, and a covert from the tempest; as rivers of water in a dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land. 3And the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, and the ears of them that hear shall hearken. 4The heart also of the rash shall understand knowledge, and the tongue of the stammerers shall be ready to speak plainly. 5The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. 6For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail. 7The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right. 8But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

Daniel 13 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Daniel's Visions Interpreted 15I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. 16I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things. 17These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. 18But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Zeph 3 14Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem. 15The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more. 16In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack. 17The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. Eze 38 14Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem. 15The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more. 16In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack. 17The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.

Psalm 2 1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set My king upon My holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him. Jer 3 17At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. 18In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.

Matt 25 lets see what FACTS we can gather 31 When then comes the Son of Man in the glory of Him, and all the angels with Him, then HE WILL SIT upon [the] throne of glory of Him (Up until the time He comes/returns, He sits on the throne in heaven at the right hand of the Father but HIS THRONE will be, on the earth. It is when He COMES, and NOT when He comes and returns again to the THRONE in heaven… It ISN'T written ANYWHERE that once Christ returns/comes back to the earth that He will GO BACK to heaven to sit at the right hand of the throne ever again. No where that I can find anyhow). 32 And will be gathered before Him all the nations, and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set indeed the sheep on [the] right hand of Him, and the goats on [the] left. (that ALONE would REQUIRE the nations to go to/be in heaven if Christ were not indeed upon the earth) 34 Then will say the King to those on [the] right hand of Him, Come, those being blessed of the Father of me, inherit the having been prepared for you kingdom from [the] FOUNDATION OF [THE] WORLD. (Not from the 'foundation' of HEAVEN, but the foundation OF THE WORLD which we know to be at different times because of...) Job 38 1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? 9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, 10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors, 11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed? 12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; 13That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? 14It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. 15And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.