ItsJustDeep

17 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

3000 BC would have not been too long after the Flood and the world have been a much smaller population mainly localized near Turkey/Asia/ Middle East.  All the knowledge about God would have been passed down through Noah and his sons to every tribe and nation.  For instance Abraham was from the region of modern day Iraq (Ur), but somehow God was able to save Abraham and his familiar. God is not limited by distance in reaching people with the Word of God that can save.

If you read the book of Jahser it speaks of Abraham being trained in the knowledge of God in the house of Seth, Noah's direct son.

 

 

I'm talking about people outside of Abraham, excluding Israel. Places like Africa, China, Russia, India, do you believe  everyone on earth lived in the middle east only? Make it 4000 b.c if it means people were spread out.

I have this particular question. There might be a part 2.

How would a man or woman in India 3000 b.c be saved? By whatever means they used to attain salvation, did it mean for a time Jesus wasn't the only way?

And at some point the Israelites had a messiah to look forward to, what did those far-out of Israel have?

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4 hours ago, LonerAndy said:

I generally just try not to get involved in such discussion about racism, because people are not thinking or talking, they are freaking out and yelling and screaming.

I don't think you can answer or talk to anyone, and have a civil conversation.

Now don't say this to anyone, because they'll just get angry.  This wasn't racism.  This was a bad cop.  I saw the video myself, the officer put his knee on the guys neck.  You never put your knee on someone's neck.   Worse, the guy in question was already in cuffs.  There is video before the incident, showing the guy was already in cuffs.

So, this was just a bad officer.  I have no idea why he put his knee on that guys neck.  Makes no sense.  Still doesn't mean it was racists.  Just bad police work that resulted in death.

Now, some question what caused the death, because there is no evidence of a neck injury, or that he was choked out.  Maybe some other health issues were involved.  Apparently he had a history of drug use.

But it doesn't matter that much, because if you pin someone to the ground with your knee on their neck, and then they die, you simply can't rule out a connection between the two.

So, my guess is the officer will do time in prison for manslaughter.

The Chief of Police said very directly, that officers are trained to put their knee on a suspects shoulder blades if they are trying to hold him down.

So....  honestly there really isn't an excuse for this.  The officer will likely be convicted and have his life ruined, and it's really sad.  The whole thing is just sad.

And I don't understand why the other officers didn't just put a hand on the officers shoulder and say "get off the guys neck".  If one person who stood up and said "come on, get off his neck", this whole thing would have never happened.

Real sad.

 By 1 person being the ?‍♂️ or civilian? Because several citizens told him to get off the neck..he's handcuffed and not fighting...he can't breathe..a few times...

He must have not been struggling much or at all for a cop of smaller size to have his hands in his pockets while having his knee on your neck for 7+ minutes..not right at all

Thank you all for the meat given to me, it's really appreciated.

❤❤

3 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Yeshua died on Wednesday Nisan 14. He rose on the eve of the Sabbath that week, the 17th Nisan. Exactly 72 hours in the tomb. Good friday thru sunday is a myth. Pleaes read and study the attached.

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Thank you brother. 

This is the explanation video I watched.

I hope this isn't breaking any rules but is everyone else in agreement with this? Everyone might be a stretch but the majority atleast?

48 minutes ago, SONshine said:

Greetings, Deeplytroubled.  

As mentioned above, the sign of Jonah has long been fulfilled in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.  Jonah is a “type” of Christ.  In Matthew 12:39-40, the Lord Jesus is telling the Pharisees that no sign but the sign of Jonah will be given to them:  “For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the great fish’s belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”  

we were both under the impression Jesus died on Friday noon..it was something I couldn't answer at the time but I'm getting better understanding. Learning more as we speak? thank God

48 minutes ago, appy said:

I think it is helpful to know that Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God's son or actually died on the cross. They have a theory that no one actually died on the cross, but rather only “appeared” to take place, thus fooling the Jews into thinking they had successfully killed Jesus. That Jesus was protected from suffering an unnatural, violent death at the hands of his enemies. That the event was merely a mirage. They have other theories too, and all of them deny that Jesus died on the cross

@Deeplytroubled

It would be helpful if you could provide us with more details of the conversation. There isn't enough to go on to provide more concise answers to your friend's question and position. There are indeed historical accounts outside the bible of Jesus' death on the cross.  You might find those sources helpful being shown side by side with biblical scripture.

 

He had some problems with scripture like Gabriel telling Mary the holy spirit would "over shadow" lol..he called it graphic. I asked how? I mean in what way is it explicit as you say? He replies "well..it just seems like a wrong representation of Jesus"..he didn't give me much to go on.

He has a problem obviously with Jesus being called the begotten son..reads a verse about the heavens and world shaking at the thought of God having a son..so for now rejects him.

The fact that the NIV has taken verses out of the bible I guess is a red alarm ?  lol but I said well how do you know..and I know that it's been taken out..because other copies exist. I said they can take out all of Genesis..all of mark Luke John and we know it will be taken out because of the thousands of transcripts that were used to complete the bible. He asks how I feel about it..obviously I say it shouldn't happen but can't comment much further about it.

But there are some things he liked Jesus said while showing him our views of heaven our different. Like the parable of the 7 brothers..I can tell he enjoyed that one..

And i'm hoping this increases my faith as well being more inclined to read scripture because of this and wanting to answer not only muslims or anyone about scripture but assure myself that all inspiration is God breathed.

44 minutes ago, OneLight said:

What did your friend offer as proof that Jesus did not fulfill the prophecy?  Can you give more information so we can understand your concern?

Well he's placing more attention on the 3 days AND 3 NIGHTS part  Then went on about it being an unfulfilled prophecy by Jesus himself.

We both agreed that he died on Friday, it was my mistake I'm just getting back to scripture myself. But I told him I know there's an answer to it and would be more versed in it when we talk later..today hopefully.

I just watched a video however, with the help of scripture..pointing to being crucified om Wednesday. Still going through it rn, i'll get it.. 

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40 NIV 

It's something my muslim friend brought up about a possible unfulfilled prophecy by Jesus. At this time last night I didn't provide an answer and I wasn't Not happy with it but know that there is a clear explanation. So i'm hoping someone can lead me to scripture that answers this. Please and thank you. 

IF Jesus freed those who were in hell once, would or will he do it again?

Was there any indication Jesus would save those in Hades pre-crucifixion? Or was this an "executive decision" not prophesied beforehand?

Just wondering, if they got a chance..is there a chance we might?

11 hours ago, angels4u said:

 

Thank you for breaking it down.

7 hours ago, Firm Foundation said:

Jesus is not a liar.  If he said there would be no forgiveness, that is what he meant.  The question is whether you really committed that sin?

Yeah, said some foul things.

7 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

If you don't remember that day when the Holy Spirit "illuminated" your sinful state and you "knew" your destiny was Hell, ...then it's quite possible God has brought you here to Worthy to here the Gospel:

...that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures: 1 Cor 15:3b-4

If you "know" in your heart you are a sinner, doomed to Hell, ...and you have never "received" Jesus into your heart, ...you have never invited Him into your life, ...that can change today, at this very moment, ...all you have to say, ...from your heart, not your head, is, "Jesus have mercy on me a sinner, ...I invite you to come into my heart!"

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.  Rom 10:9-10

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Rom 10:13

I hope this helps...

Lord bless

It did. Thank you.

2 hours ago, Sonshine said:

Greetings....

This is what I believe thus far, with the Lord's help and by reading the Word of God, the Bible. 

Now, in Matthew 12:24, right before Jesus says in 12:31 that "all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men, but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men," the Pharisees were ascribing the works of the devil to Jesus.  So, in other words, these Pharisees who had seen Jesus' miracles and heard Him preach as no other man had ever preached, who knew in their heart of hearts that it was Jesus, the Son of God, the Savior of the world that stood in front of them, rejected Him and in reality, were worshiping Satan--yes, they knew Jesus and rejected Him in favor of Satan.  They rejected the Savior hatefully in their hearts and insulted the Holy Spirit who was convicting them and urging them to trust Christ, the Son of God.  

Now, in Revelation 14:9-11, let's read with eyes and ears wide open. I believe the unpardonable sin is being mentioned again. 

"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

Brothers and sisters, in the not too distant future, the antichrist will be here on earth and he will claim to be God and will demand everyone to worship him and many will be deceived and will make the final decision to deny Christ.  Those who worship him will receive his mark, and I believe that unless they repent before the the Second Coming of Christ, they will have committed the unpardonable sin.  

I personally doubt very much that born again Christians/the Elect would ever commit the unpardonable sin.  The Elect have been waiting "for such a time as this" to let the Holy Spirit Spirit speak through them when delivered up before the antichrist.  I believe that in every age, those who are greatly enlightened and convicted by the Holy Spirit and yet turn away from Him, are on the verge of committing the sin that has no forgiveness.   

Thanks for the insight. ?

I'm sure there must have been 1 or 2 people to do this in their lifetime..either as sinners who were later born again, athiest apologetics mocking with friends, muslims,etc.

Maybe you remember and don't want to admit it, or maybe you never committed such an act. The unforgiveable one. But

Matthew 12:31‭-‬32 says

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 

So what do you tell the person who later reads the scripture but has either already accepted Christ or not?

Should they just give up? Living in a "Do What Thou Wilt" attitude knowing they're condemned beyond saving?

Does God speak to those who want to know if they are comdemned or want forgiveness? Or are they shunned forever from the moment of blasphemy?

Why do you think blasphemy against the Holy Spirit specifically is the crime of all crimes?

Is God, the Son and Spirit not all the same? It seems to hold the HS in a higher regard than the Father or Son.

Well I for one can admit I've directly blasphemed the HS once upon a time. So now what?

Am I doomed? ? 

People can have reasons to be angry..often feeling like God wasn't responsive in their most troubling times. Or at all.

Speaking for myself here.

37 minutes ago, Isaiah53NIV said:

If I said anything offensive to anyone, I apologize. But I am starting to feel anxious about posting anything. I tried to use some humor with a member in this thread (what this person said made me think of my teaching experiences), and apparently that was the wrong thing to do. It was not said out of hate or intentionally being uncaring.

How do we get together as a group of Christians and interact online without offending one another? Because it gets exhausting.

 

Logging off

And i'm pissed. Was just watching an interview of his yesterday.

R.I.P. Kobe Bean Bryant. The ?

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

You are in heaven?

If...If.

22 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

When a born again Christian dies their soul immediately goes to heaven. Their body remains in the grave until the resurrection which is when the Church is raptured. That soul that goes to heaven has somewhat of a substance and is very conscience of what their surroundings are. They recognize those in heaven that they knew and loved and died before they did.  When an unbeliever dies their soul goes immediately to Hades. That is a holding area until they are judged in the Great White Throne judgment.Their body will be resurrected at that time as well.This will be at the end of the 1000 year millennium. Hades is a horrible place. 

I don't think i've read that yet. Where is it in scripture that we immediately go to heaven? 

If i'm already in heaven did I miss the judgement or does that happen later?

What does that mean for female pastors?

It's been about a year since the attacks but KNOOOW 100% it was demonic.

10000%. Appreciate the advice though, I feel like you guys think i'm a harry potter fan now ?. But oh well.

Scripture for it being sin?

2 hours ago, missmuffet said:

In Jeremiah 50:6, God calls Israel His people and “lost sheep.” The Messiah, spoken of throughout the Old Testament, was seen as the one who would gather these “lost sheep” (Ezekiel 34:23-24; Micah 5:4-5). When Jesus presented Himself as a shepherd to Israel, He was claiming to be the fulfillment of Messianic prophecy

When God chose Israel as his favored sheep, did he mean to just include ONLY them to be blessed and be in heaven or was salvation always for everyone?

* didn't see the replies going to check verses. Thanks all for the help.

But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15:23‭-‬24 KJV 

Who is Jesus speaking of? I've been confused on this topic because when it comes to the red letters, I don't know if He says he was here for everyone. 

Does Jesus himself say out of his mouth that salvation was/is for everyone or Paul?