Workman

On 4/3/2024 at 12:36 PM, just_abc said:

I am very sorry   but I don't know.

Perhaps you could send him a message using the message thingy on this forums?  (If you haven't already I mean) 

Some folk have their settings set to send them an email notification when they receive a new message.  Not sure if that is the case with Arrabon or not though..  But just a thought..

I hope this helps.

Thanks.

 

We had been communicating with each other via the "message thingy".  I left a couple of posts after his last communication.

"Arrabon" was his handle on this board.  I haven't heard from him for 2 years.  I'm afraid he may have went Home.

On 4/13/2023 at 8:20 AM, JohnD said:

I recently checked out... 
...He took over a national apologetics ministry when its founder passed away almost 40 years ago... 

This fellow I refer to... an eastern location in the U.S. 

He has since converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

The fellow I mention... 

It's pretty obvious that "the fellow" you are referring to is Hank Hanegraaff, aka "The Bible Answer Man" radio show.  The founder was Dr. Walter Martin, with whom I had the honor of speaking to during the program in the 80s.  I don't know much about Eastern Orthodox Christianity, except that you're required to stand during the service, something this old guy couldn't handle. 

It's ok to use their names, just leave out the gossip.

8 minutes ago, Workman said:

 

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

I agree, Walter. We see this from time to time when a Jewish rabbi is consulted (or bandied about as the case may be) by some Christians regarding the meaning of Old Testament scripture, when this rabbi is an unbeliever and therefore lost in darkness with the world of men.

We might as well consult an atheist historian about the letters of the apostles. 

I think a few people here are confusing the original discussion about Messianic Jews.  There's "ethnic" Jews, and then there's "Judaism".  If you go to a Messianic Rabbi and ask him about something in the Old Testament, he will consult the same Bible that Gentiles use.  I would have no qualms about asking the Rabbi at the Synagogue I visited about meaning of scripture in the Old Testament because he is a Christian, but Jewish by ethnicity.  I also have no qualms about blending in some Jewish non-theistic customs, clothing, dancing, and singing, or using a Bible that includes the New Testament, but it's in the Hebrew language.  That's no different than any other ethnic church.

22 hours ago, ayin jade said:

I'm not Jewish. I happen to like Messianic congregations. It is the particular flavor of fellowship I enjoy. It is still a Christian church with born again believers. Nothing in scripture says I must attend a baptist church etc.Some like chocolate ice cream, some like vanilla.

I'm just looking for a Bible-believing church that doesn't imitate the world.  The most practiced worldly issue is the loud rock music that takes up the biggest part of the service.  It doesn't even have to be rock, any over-amplified, ear-splitting, window-rattling, hear-it-three-blocks-away music that takes up at least half of the service is a deal-killer.

19 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

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My statement is and has always been they are not Jewish because they don't follow Judaism. ...

Apparently, it's complicated whether it's a race or religion or both.  

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/142041

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/are-jews-a-race/

https://bestmitzvahs.com/are-jews-a-race-or-religion/

5 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Well you see that's the problem. Doesn't matter where we came from we all have the same status in Christ. I think a lot of people are under the impression that God has a little more favor with a  "Messianic Jew" than the regular old Christians. This is division and it does bother me ( if you haven't already figured that out). 

Do you also think it's wrong to have other ethnic churches, where they speak their native tongue, study from a Bible that's in there native tongue, practice non-theistic customs of their culture?  That's pretty much what a Messianic Jewish Synagogue does.  Take a look at this website, it will tell you more about Messianic Jews.

First Fruits of Zion: https://ffoz.org/

7 hours ago, ayin jade said:

I'm curious how it went today. 

 

How did it go today?

The rabbi is a board member of Jewish Voice Ministries International which is a good group. 

Off doctrine can take many forms. 

I was expecting something more like the Orthodox Shabbats I've seen on Youtube, with the shawls and dancing.  The worship of Yeshua was there, but not the traditional customs I was expecting.  Perhaps it varies from one synagogue to the next, just like regular Christian churches.

28 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

One thing I looked forward to is the shofar call to worship. When I was undergoing extensive medical treatment and couldn't attend worship, my husband would drive me to the parking lot just to hear the shofar.

Man I miss attending one. 

One of the things I'm looking for is REVERENCE!  I'm sick of all the "good time rock-n-roll" garbage in a lot of churches.  It's almost a given.

18 hours ago, ayin jade said:

I moved last year so I am not going to one now, but I have attended a couple of them for years. I really like them. But you do have to be careful. There is one type that has off doctrine. Check out the statement of faith for the one you wish to go to. I love the music, love the sense of worship I got from them compared to standard churches. 

Thanks.  This particular one doesn't have a statement of faith, at least not on their website.  The Rabbi only has a Bachelor's Degree, but he has written a book titled "Jesus Never Said Anything New".  I'll be going to the Shabbat tomorrow (Saturday), I'll find out more then.
P.S.  What is the "off doctrine" you speak of?

I just recently found out that there's one not far from me.  From what I've seen online and heard about it, it sounds interesting.  There are both Jews and gentiles attending.  I'm wondering about what other gentiles have experienced.

On 9/22/2022 at 10:31 AM, Daniel Marsh said:

anyone heard of this?
Smith Wigglesworth: Disqualified? – The Pastor's Pen

No, but I looked it up.  It was back in the 1920s.  I don't mean to sound cynical, but it's ancient history about a fallen charismatic pastor.

https://tedhaggardblog.com/2014/06/06/smith-wigglesworth-disqualified/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Wigglesworth

4 hours ago, NCAP said:

Well obviously, there is something about Victor Barnard that you don't like.

https://www.thecut.com/2016/06/pine-county-minnesota-sex-offender-victor-barnard.html
https://www.fox9.com/news/victor-barnard-the-history-of-a-cult-leader
There's lots more if you do a search.

2 hours ago, NCAP said:

If there is a list of sinners, with the greatest at the top of the list, Victor Barnard and David Barnhart would probably not even be close to the top. So why throw their writings in the garbage can but not Paul's?

I can't site chapter and verse off the top of my head, but I know that there's something about shunning alleged "Christians" who are apostate, and/or deep in sin and don't repent?  Ever hear of Ravi Zacharias?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravi_Zacharias

If you haven't looked VB up, here's a link:  
https://www.thecut.com/2016/06/pine-county-minnesota-sex-offender-victor-barnard.html 

If you know of a different Victor Barnard, please post a link.

3 hours ago, Jayne said:

Don't know if this Victor Barnard is the same man in the news for pedophilia, but...I assume you must think so as you would pitch the book in the trash.

As for David Barnhart - I never heard of him.  I Googled him and he's QUITE the progressive.  I'd throw his books in the trash as well.

I can only assume that the Victor Barnard that wrote the book is VB the sicko because I couldn't find anyone with the same name that is legit.  

As for David Barnhart, I watched a few of his Bible teachings on Youtube and they seemed ok, but when I was researching VB, I discovered what you just said, and it was another disappointment, but not as bad as the monster Barnard.  Some of Barnard's books are on Amazon, but that doesn't surprise me either.

https://www.thecut.com/2016/06/pine-county-minnesota-sex-offender-victor-barnard.html

I bought a book at a thrift store titled "Jesus Christ - The Apostle, Priest, and King".  The author's last name was on the binding, which said "Barnard".  I confused it with "Barnhart", as in David Barnhart.  When I got it home and looked up the book by title and author, "Victor Barnard", I was shocked!  Even if Biblically sound, it's still going in the garbage.  Not sure what I'm expecting in the way of comments, just that I was sorely disappointed. 

I'm unchurched, but regarding the vaccinations, it's no different than getting a flu shot.  If the left hadn't made the covid mask and vaccinations a political statement from the get-go, more people probably would have got the vaccination and wore masks.  Nobody likes being dictated to!

Ironically, I don't consider those twins even physically attractive.  They look like dullards.  No personality or brains, you can see it in their expression. 

On 6/10/2022 at 12:25 PM, missmuffet said:

Advertised as the most beautiful twins in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clements_twins

What do you think about that? What kind of life will they lead?

 

What do I think about that?  Here's what I think:  Nothing.  The most beautiful women I've met in my lifetime were also the most ugliest people I ever met.  Physical beauty does not impress me one iota.

Here's the complete story:

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/whipper-snapper.html

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Miss Muffet asked "Are you vindictive"?

Vindictive:
vĭn-dĭk′tĭv
adjective
Disposed to seek revenge; revengeful.

Romans 12:19
Do not avenge yourselves, dear friends, but give place to God’s wrath, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.

I can be at times, especially if you try to take my bacon!

On 1/27/2006 at 10:19 PM, Waimahia said:

Burgers, that in reality don't look anything like the picture on the wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJs9p-VNORw&t=4s