RogerDC

14 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

Adam also ate the fruit, so I would say he also was deceived.

Believe what you like - the Scripture clearly says Adam was NOT deceived.

14 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

I trust the Bible to be an accurate account. Paul's letters are genuine. I just don't think Paul was right 100% of the time.

Are you saying only Paul letters are genuine?    

21 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

You have been reported

Really?  Why?

21 hours ago, Willa said:

People point out the thief on the cross.  He believed that Jesus was the Christ and his Lord.  He said, "Lord when you come into Your kingdom, remember me."   His saving faith produced this  work,  a confession of his faith.

The thief also defended Jesus when the thief on the other cross mocked/criticized Jesus - that is "works".  

Regardless, using the exceptional example of someone about to die represents a poor argument for the doctrine  of "faith alone".  

Furthermore, if the thief did no works but was saved on the basis of "faith alone", that means he was saved by "dead" faith, as James says - "faith without works is dead".      

21 hours ago, Willa said:

I was taught that it is not faith or works; it is faith THAT works.  True faith will produce works.  Faith without works is dead, says James

Our good works demonstrate our love for God - "If you love me, you will keep my commandments" (John 14:15).   If God programs us like robots to do good works as a result of faith, those works don't demonstrate our love of God; rather  they are just meaningless acts of mindless instinct.  God wants us to demonstrate our love for Him by works that are a result of our 0wn free will.

Having said that, the grace that comes with faith allows the believer to more easily recognize and resist sin and conform to the will of God, but repenting and resisting the temptation to sin is the result of our own free will.  Grace does not turn believers into good-works robots; grace can be resisted and a believer can choose to do bad works instead of good works.

On 10/30/2019 at 8:22 AM, douge said:

By faith, by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and his gospel (Romans 1:9 Romans 2:16 Romans 1:16), we are justified unto eternal life. We have the imputed righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ by faith in his blood (Romans 4:24 Philippians 3:9).
There is nothing we have to do to keep this justification. Being justified means we are. We are justified by the propitiation of Christ and his cross (Romans 3:25 1 Corinthians 1:18 Colossians 1:20).
 

I think you've got it wrong.  The Cross alone is not what saves us - it makes our salvation possible.  Abiding in Christ is what saves us, and abiding in Christ means having faith and keeping his commandments (1John 2:3-4).   A believer who doesn't keep "His commandments is "a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1John 2:3-4).

James 2;24-26 says "a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" - so salvation through faith alone is unscriptural.  James also says "faith without works is dead" (2:26) - so faith alone is DEAD FAITH. 

Nowhere in the Bible does it say we are saved by faith alone, which is a false doctrine.

30 minutes ago, Willa said:

The same Greek word is used for both.  Faith is a noun or name and believe is a verb or action word.    They are saying that faith is associated with actions that demonstrate or are produced by their faith.  

"faith associated with actions" - sounds the same as "faith and works".

37 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

One does not get saved by “ obeying laws”

In Gal 5:19-21, Paul warns believers that their sins can result in their exclusion from the kingdom of God.  This implies obeying laws is essential for salvation, does it not?

Furthermore, James 2 says "a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" and "faith without works is dead".  In other words, faith alone is dead faith.  Btw, "works" includes obeying laws.

On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 4:14 AM, OneLight said:

Even Paul himself tells Timothy in 2 Timothy 3:16-17

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 

For starters, that verse is referring to the OT.  Furthermore, that verse doesn't say Scripture provides ALL doctrine.    The canon of the NT was decided on until the fourth century and before that the early Church relied on the teachings and practices passed on from the apostles as doctrine.  Only during the Reformation 1500 years later was the man-made tradition of Sola Scriptura invented.

On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 3:38 AM, douge said:

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Doctrine is delivered to the church and is to be obeyed.

Which doctrine is that exactly?  There are thousands of different churches, mainly due to the fact that there are thousands of different doctrines.  Which church teaches the correct doctrine?

On ‎1‎/‎14‎/‎2020 at 2:43 PM, JohnD said:

women with wings...

huh...

what else could it be?

If you want to spiritualize everything as if it weren't real...

why stop there?

Some spiritualize existence itself as if we are all not really here.

BTW I do not engage with those who go down this route.

They aren't really here. After all.

It was a vision, not reality.   Creatures that appear in visions are not evidence of real creatures.   Are all the weird creatures described in Revelation real creatures?

On ‎1‎/‎13‎/‎2020 at 11:04 PM, Sonshine said:

Greetings, Roger…. I would venture to say that a saved-by-grace person who truly loves the Lord will always try to obey His laws and instructions and walk worthy of His calling.  God’s law itself is not bad; it is man that’s bad, and this is why Jesus came to fulfill the law for us.  He came to become the “curse” for us that we might have eternal life.  The law never saved anybody and it never will.  Why? ....because if the law could save, Jesus would’ve died in vain.

What do you mean by "the law"?  In Gal 5:19-21, Paul warns believers that their sins can result in them being excluded from the kingdom of God - in which case they would end up in hell.  So clearly, there are laws that Christians must obey or they won't be saved.

On ‎1‎/‎13‎/‎2020 at 7:40 PM, Justin Adams said:

Such a contentious comment. We have to have BELIEVING faith in the One True God. Yes, we must be breathing in order to do this belief stuff. It is a work of God. He made us. He expects a correct response. It is ALL His doing in the end analysis. For His Pleasure we are created. Do not try to confuse others by making salvation and redemption opposites.

We must not use ancient and modern philosophy of theological stuff as a weapon.

What is "believing faith"?  I can't find that term in the Bible.

On 1/14/2020 at 2:51 AM, johnthebaptist said:

Did Paul ever explain his reason?

Yes, he did:

¹¹Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. ¹²But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. ¹³For Adam was first formed, then Eve. ¹⁴And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. ¹⁵Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. (1Tim 2)

On 1/14/2020 at 2:50 AM, johnthebaptist said:

God and Jesus are quoted many times in the Bible. I trust the Bible to give an accurate account.

You said you don't put your faith in the Bible, but you trust the Bible.  Confusing.

On 1/13/2020 at 5:57 PM, DustyRoad said:

If you lack scriptural backing for your doctrine then what you're sharing here is nothing more than your own opinion, @RogerDC. 

No kidding?!

On 1/12/2020 at 5:45 AM, maryjayne said:

Communists are not demonic either.

You are throwing around the word Demonic with, I fear, little understanding of its meaning.  

The Catholic Church used to call Nazism, “little D”, and communism, “big D” - “D” of course meaning “Devil”.  Atheism is a mandatory tenet of all forms of communism, so you don’t have to be Einstein to realize that any political movement that seeks to impose universal atheism is the work of the devil.  A communist obviously doesn’t believe the devil, but this doesn’t stop Satan using such people to carry out this nefarious schemes - thus communists can rightly be called “servants of Satan”. 

On 1/12/2020 at 9:34 PM, maryjayne said:

There are many forms of feminism. You are picking the most extreme one and declaring that that is what all feminism looks like. You are wrong. Such generalisations do no-one any good. There are many good nuns and priests who work tirelessly to help others. I am not a Catholic, but am able to recognise that not everyone belonging to a group is the same.

When did I say there are no Catholic nuns and priests who do anything good for anyone?  For starters, I didn’t even mention priests.  I am a Catholic and I know there are many nuns and priests who do a great deal of good for many people.   I said many nuns are rabid feminists and spiritually corrupt - “many” doesn’t mean “all”, and even demented feminist nuns can do good deeds for people.

 If you want an insight into just how spiritually sick the demonic poison of feminism has rendered many Catholic nuns, read the book “Unholy Rage: The Hidden Face of Catholic Feminism” by Donna Steichen.  You might learn something.

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26 minutes ago, DustyRoad said:

Reading the third chapter of Genesis, here's what I find in the narrative: Adam sinned. 

I'm not finding any mention of "the man's weakness to please the woman" anywhere in the narrative. Can you direct me to where that appears? 

God gave us brains to reason with, such as drawing conclusions based on what we know about the nature of men - it's not a sin to use our brains.

On 1/9/2020 at 8:17 PM, Yeshua153 said:

We have to differ there, as ever since Emperor Constantine bought in his edict of toleration back in 312AD, where he mixed the pagan Roman beliefs with Christian belief, as he feared for his life when the Goths, visigoths, Huns & Vandals were attacking Rome. This is rightly depicted in most stained glass windows of Roman Catholic & Protestant churches, where the halo above Jesus, Mary & disciples, makes the pagans think of their sun gods.

The big pointy hatted white robes that Catholic priests wear, much like the KKK, the Pope's hat that matches the fish god, with it's open mouth, & the veneration of Mary, when she herself calls Yeshua, her saviour in Lk1v47, & many more  things, does NOT make the RC church the true church!

In my non-Catholic days, I used to believe all that sort of anti-Catholic nonsense, but then the Holy Spirit opened my eyes and led me out of the darkness of my stupidity and ignorance into the light of the truth.   Satan attempts to blind people with all manner of lies and absurdity about Christ's one, true Church; sadly lots of good folks fall for this deception.

Re Mary's Saviour:  Catholics believe God is their Saviour too.

On 1/9/2020 at 7:39 PM, Justin Adams said:

For those who BELIEVE, they are in The First Resurrection. Very simple, uncomplicated and a THOROUGH work of God alone. We bring NOTHING to the table except our BELIEVING LOYALTY to the One True God.

 

 

Your comment seems to contain a contradiction:  You say our salvation is the "work of God alone", but then you say we must have faith to be saved?  If we must have faith to be saved, then we our salvation is not the "work of God alone".  Perhaps you are confusing our redemption with our salvation.  The suffering and death of Jesus on the Cross alone is not what saves us, otherwise everyone who has ever lived would be saved.

On 1/3/2020 at 5:31 AM, Walter and Deborah said:

 When an unsaved (non-Christian) person sins, they are held responsible by God as their eternal Judge (Revelation Twenty:10-15).

Rev 20:10-15 says the "dead" are judged, meaning everyone who has ever died.  It doesn't say anything about only the "unsaved" being judged. 

On 1/3/2020 at 5:31 AM, Walter and Deborah said:

God Forbid: Yea, We Establish the Law. Every born-again believer is obligated to obey and fulfil the laws of God, but because WE ARE saved. 

What if we don't obey and fulfil the laws of God - are we still saved?

9 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

Sure. Satan as the serpent being made sure Eve was alone and vulnerable. She was weakened into temptation more easily in this manner. 

I agree.  Plus, Satan knew the woman's weakness - ie, she would be easier to deceive than the man.  Having deceived the woman, Satan knew how to use her as "bait" to corrupt the man - because the man's weakness was to please the woman, so he went along with her fruit-eating idea.