Brown being the guy who sold all the British gold at 30% of cost...and spent his years writing a mountain of tax laws so intricate and unenforceable the Gov't is permanetly short of money.

A TRUE Christian needn't be concerned about the Last Days as if they die during Tribulation or are raptured at the moment Jesus appears they are guaranteed being on Earth with Jesus when the dust settles.

The Jews, Catholics, Muslims and all other pagans are the ones to be worrried about The Return of Jesus.

4 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

 

'Right. One of the two men which went on to Sodom and Gomorrah was Michael, and he was in the house of Abraham really. He is a warrior of the LORD.'

How do you draw that inference?   The two angels were just two of the millions GOD has available to carry out His orders.

54 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Well I am not going to change the way I write it to please one person who has the ability to understand the point.

just like the Beast receives a Mortal Wound.......Its a Metaphor.

Well, you would be in error brother. I think it can be some Christian Churches a la the Mormons and SDA's etc can be a part of the Harlot. But the RCC is not nor can be The Harlot !! The Church will  be in Heaven by this time, I have yet to understand why ANYONE would pay attention to Church leaders from the Church Age who are still on earth during the 70th week Trib. sir. Do you believe in a Pre Trib Rapture ? I thought you did. So why would anyone believe in anything a Church Leader stated if that Church Leader is still on earth?  All this stuff is just you not thinking it through brother. The 10 Kings destroy the other World Religions and it MESHES with a One World Religion in which the Beast is worshiped as the ONLY God !!

 

quote:  The Church will  be in Heaven by this time, I have yet to understand why ANYONE would pay attention to Church leaders from the Church Age who are still on earth during the 70th week Trib?

No-one goes to heaven.

45 of he dead in Italy are doctors.

The death rate is about 11% = double other countries.

Lots of excuses about close Italian families but the truth is this is a warning sign to prepare you for End Times.

Hi Walter.

Very very few of us accept what the Bible says but let's keep pushing and maybe our words will catch one or two!

Paul at2 Corinthians 3:

³ Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

He is clearly saying the Corinthians are believers and should set a Christian example to other people in Corinth.

2 Thessalonians 1:8–9 (NIV), "Those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus, they will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.

Everlasting destruction means destruction for ever.

When Jesus returns at the height of Armageddon to stop the carnage he will retrieve teh Ark of the Covenant from its hiding place under Jerusalem, take out the two tablets of stone on which GOD wrote the ten commandments and tell everyone that they must live by those commandments through the millennium.

He will have 144,000 overseers to guide and instruct all the people during the millennium.

On 3/19/2020 at 1:22 PM, Last Daze said:

No they aren't.

• These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.  Revelation 11:4

They existed before Judah.  Read Genesis 18.  The two witnesses were with the Lord of the earth when He met Abraham, and they went on to Sodom to rescue the righteous and punish the wicked.

Those two were deadly angels on their way to take Lot and family out of Sodom before GOD threw 98% sulphur down to incinerate it.

On 3/19/2020 at 1:22 PM, Last Daze said:

 

 

About five years ago I took a copy of Watchtower from a smiling young woman by the railway station innocently believing they were just Christians with some odd ideas akin to Puritanism.

Seated on the train and glancing through the magazine I came across the 'obligatory' diatribe against blood transfusions.   It had a picture of a bag of blood hanging on a stand beside a hospital bed.  All seemed normal.  Then the creases in the bag LEAPT OUT AT ME AND MADE THE IMAGE OF A HORNED BULL! 

Whoa! No doubt about it - it was a bull carefully inserted by the artist!   I was baffled at who could have done so and in my innocence wrote to the London JWs pointing it out.  Needless to say no reply came.

I continued studying the pictures and sure enough every one has at least one of these inserts.  

They fall into several categories:  the bull or cow head, a ram head,  snake or serpent, a long nosed creature akin to bottlenose dolphins, a human head with tall turban like Assyrians are usually portrayed wearing, a spike nosed hard-eyed humanlike demon face, naked men in suggestive homoerotic poses, coloured people given claws and talons like wild beasts, Pan the halfgoat piper aka god of fertility.  In a JW book a picture of our skull contents the artist had altered it to hide a snake looking out!

Researching latest thoughts on JWs showed they were a counterfeit religion claiming Christianity but obviously led by Masonic Satanists.   

The penny didn't drop about the subliminal images until just a few weeks ago when re-reading of Ezekiel being told to knock a hole into the windowless room in which the Jews hid their worship of the many graven images of creatures, creeping things and idols.

Now I realise that every piece of JW literature is polluted and possessing any is as deadly as having a Ishtar and Tammuz statue on the mantelpiece.

Disney put an idol of Baal prominently lit in Bedknobs film.  It's in the library scene.  Film also has children reciting spell to raise demons. Who noticed that?   

Curiously though so many people refuse to see the images and claim I have some problem with misinterpreting folds and lines and such in the pictures.

Who else has seen the images when glancing through a JW publication?

I had a knee like a rusty hinge that was prayed over in a Methodist healing.  Just now it is still like a well oiled hinge.
I think prayer would being healing to corona patients but I doubt if hospitals would allow a team of three to try.

On 12/6/2019 at 7:15 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

An AGREEMENT between Europe and the MANY that make up the Mediterranean Sea Region that Europe currently doesn't own. This is the European Neighborhood Policy {See Wikiperdia} where the E.U. currently has "Agreements"  with these countries which include Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia, and they just so happen to be "7 year agreements". 

I prefer to think that the 10 December 2018 burnt offering the False Jews did on the new altar in Jerusalem marked the start of the 7 year Tribulation.

In Acts 7 Stephen revealed the Jews are actually Canaanite-Muslims who worship Baal-Moloch under the flag of Remphan.

This COVID is killing over 10% in Italy which is obviously the seat of the Scarlet Whore of Babylon while in China it is claimed to be fading away.

SARS was a deadly disease that came and no trace has been seen since 2004?

Does GOD have to spell it out in mile high letters actoss the sky?

6 hours ago, wikey321 said:

 

Buddha didn't do anything wrongful, he viewed other same as him including animal, plants even a devil but it sounds so harmful from Christ. 

 

 

Basis of Buddhism is birth and rebirth - contrary to what Bible says.

Saṃsāra (Sanskrit, Pali; also samsara) in Buddhism is the beginningless cycle of repeated birth, mundane existence and dying again.^[1] Samsara is considered to be dukkha, unsatisfactory and painful,^[2] perpetuated by desire and avidya (ignorance), and the resulting karma.^[3][4][5]

Rebirths occur in six realms of existence, namely three good realms (heavenly, demi-god, human) and three evil realms (animal, ghosts, hellish).^{[note 1]} Samsara ends if a person attains nirvana,^{[note 2]} the "blowing out" of the desires and the gaining of true insight into impermanence and non-self reality.^[7][8][9]

JWs are doomed because they worship the graven images of Pan, demons, beasts, serpents, snakes, horned beasts, UFO aliens etc subliminally hidden in the pictures in Watchtower and JW books.

They are as doomed as the jews of Ezekiel 8:9 ⁹ And He said to me, “Go in, and see the wicked abominations which they are doing there.” ¹⁰ So I went in and saw, and there—every sort of creeping thing, abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, ^[b]portrayed all around on the walls. ¹¹ And there stood before them seventy men of the elders of the house of Israel, and in their midst stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan. Each man had a censer in his hand, and a thick cloud of incense went up. ¹² Then He said to me, “Son of man, have you seen what the elders of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the room of his idols? For they say, ‘The Lord does not see us, the Lord has forsaken the land.’ ”

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

(Xrose doubts human remains are in "flood deposits")

Barbarian asks:

According to YE creationists there are.   Let's see if you think so.   Do you believe that the deposits in the Grand Canyon are from the flood?

(Dodging ensues)

If you don't even know what a Christian is, how can you begin to tell me what creationists think?   Since you dodged the question, I'm guessing you have no idea what they think about the Grand Canyon deposits.  

OK. let's find something that might be familiar to you...

Indeed, accepting H. erectus as human, as the majority of creationists do now, was a concept that raised its own set of questions. Where did H. erectus fit into biblical history? Where did H. erectus come from and where did he go? Do we carry H. erectus genes? Was there really a wide diversity of human genes immediately post Flood? If so, how did this diversity happen so soon after the human genetic bottleneck of the Ark? Should there not have been less diversity immediately after the Flood, with diversity increasing as time went on? How did H. erectus relate to the Neanderthals? Why are there no H. erectus burials (Homo erectus 2009b)?

https://answersingenesis.org/human-evolution/neanderthal/those-enigmatic-neanderthals/

AIG has a point.   Obviously, if there was a flood that wiped out all humans on Earth other than a man and his sons (with their wives) there would not be enough genetic variety to have Neandertals, H. erectus, H. ergaster, and all the rest.   Those fossils would be pre-flood and therefore in flood deposits.

Your unfortunate resentment against Catholics is preventing you from thinking clearly.    Catholics aren't the only Christians, and we aren't the only ones who w ill be saved.  Your faith, if you love God and love man, will save you just as well.    Let it go, and you'll find it easier to accept Him.

QUOTE: 'Catholics aren't the only Christians, and we aren't the only ones who will be saved.'  You must be joking! Is that what popey tells you! You haven't a cat in hell's chance of avoiding slaughter when Jesus returns and the second death on Judgment Day!   Get  down on your knees in front of Ishtar and Tammuz and ask the plaster and maybe an invisible demon will say 'of course you are saved!'. 

You prattle on about fossils in the Grand Canyone so can you tell us what you think are the origins of the canyon and what monkeyman fossils have been found and how deep they were found . 

Then you call GOD and Jesus liars (Nothing unusual for a Catholic to do that!) by prattling about Noah and sons being unable to repopulate Earth.  This can only mean you believe UFO-aliens (aka demons) seeded a few million humans around the other side of the world where Noah couldn't see them.

BUT IF YOU HAD THE SMALLEST GIFT OF WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT FREELY GIVEN TO ALL CHRISTIANS you would be able to read Genesis 10 and see that Noah's sons had 6 or 7 sons each and who knows how many daughters! The Mexican catholics have gone from 'The population has quadrupled between 1933 and 1980 and has had its ups in years like in 1950, where the growth was 4.6%, and in 1970, where it recorded 7.2%. !'    If Catholics can breed so fast why not Noah's family?

Starting with 8 people in years One or 4350 years ago and a birthrate of 1.012 todays population should be Population in 4350 = 27,110,583,559,225,000,000,000.

Obviously something is wrong with your silly idea?

Also of course it's a good job people didn't breed so much as we are presently living on just about 10% of the Earth's surface and not the 90% that GOD intended.

 

 

Here in small town in East Yorkshire, UK, I have just been into both smallish supermarkets and everything except sanitisers and no panic or crowds.

Tomorrow morning I go into big town with big supermarket to see what it is like.

Our bread wheat and milk, meat and eggs all produced in farms in ten mile radius.

Paper mills making toilet roll from recycled paper not far away.

11am news is London stock market up 5% - so what do the money men know?

Could be.

But also Muslims get a deep mark on their forehead from pressing it to ground 5 times a day when worshipping the black stone idol they call allah.

The pagan religions are getting so radical and intolerant now that maybe in the last days they will all impose the mark on their members.

But we Christians don't need to worry anyway.

8 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Sure.   According to YE creationists there are.   Let's see if you think so.   Do you believe that the deposits in the Grand Canyon are from the flood?

Being a Catholic you cannot have the clairty of thinking that Christians have.

Plus you are a prime example of Dunning-Kruger Inferior as shown by your nitpicking claim that I distorted GOD's words when I said  'The reason we do not find fossils of humans in the bottom of the fossil record is simply that GOD said He would destroy humans off the face of the Earth. Genesis 7:4. '

You then quote the same verse.

The fact is that The Flood was intended to destroy humans and it did.

You prattle your Old Earth BigBang Catholic nonsense because as Jesus said: 

Matthew 7:3-5 King James Version (KJV)

³ And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

⁴ Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

⁵ Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Earth is 6,000 years old.  The Flood destroyed all humans except Noah and family. 

As for Grand Canyon deposits, of course they were all laid down during The Flood. 

The canyon itself was cut in the latter part of the drain off as the flood waters drained off the central American plateau.

If we accept Mt Ararat's present height of 16500 feet was the same as that when the Ark lodged on it, and the highest point of Grand Canyon is 8800 feet then a layer of water 7700 thick had to drain off to leave the flat plateaus around the canyon and seen all around the world.

Then as the canyon is 6000 feet deep another layer of soft sediments had to drain off the plateaus to cut the canyon.  That meant a layer of water 2800 feet thick had to drain away.  It is that water that cut the canyon - through still soft sediments - not the hardrock the monkeybrains claim.   This part of drain off lasted 54 days until the dove found a sprouted olive or a bush that had survived.

The total drain off period lasted 116 days until Noah saw the water had left the land but he stayed in the ark another 57 days while it both hardened to bear the weight of the big creatures and allowed a crop of grass to grow up to feed them all.

As Noah was looking out from a vantage point on Ararat he may not have known he was so high up and not know that areas of lower land were still under water or still soft mud. 

The Ark touched Ararat on day 197.  Ararat top visible on day 270 = 73 days draining 15 cubits of water.  Wait 40 days to day 310 to send raven and dove. Wait another 7 days to resend dove. Wait 7 days resend dove that doesn't return. Day 313 open the coverings of the Ark and look out. Wait 57 days to Day 370 step out of Ark.   Total draining 184 days to land being dry enough to stand on.

184 minus the 73 - 111 days draining during the latter part which we cannot know the Grand Canyone was cut.   (volume of spheres)

You D-K Inferiors will cling to your fantasies despite vast evidence.   

Maybe having the mark on the right hand or forehead was a metaphorical way of explaining how chips, pins, cookies and fingerprint recognition works?

It's likely that Jesus coudl have produced and offered his debit card to pay the tax but as no card accepters existed the taxman would have been baffled so instead he said go catch a fish and it will have the coin in its mouth.

Which was actually just as unlikely as the people understanding cash cards in those days.

On 2/12/2020 at 11:39 PM, canada said:

Are there any here that believe the image of the beast, the mark of the beast and the numbered beast have come to pass?

I'm inclined to believe the mark will actually be something on the lines of Cookies permission as without accepting the mark of the cookies we cannot use many websites or services.

There are masses of people outside the taxed economy who exchange goods and services for money and they will continue to thrive without the mark.

Howveer here in UK all roads now have Automatic Number Plate Cameras that check every vehicle is taxed and insured so while a lot of crooks can get by on false plates the ANP systems will be getting better and hold more info so eventually it will be impossible to drive without correct documents.

Maybe the CCTV on fuel pumps will be linked in to prevent anyone with untaxed cars from buying fuel.

Same goes for buying or renting a home, opening a bank account or finding a doctor

52 minutes ago, omega2xx said:

 

On 2/12/2020 at 11:39 PM, canada said:

Are there any here that believe the image of the beast, the mark of the beast and the numbered beast have come to pass?

I'm inclined to believe the mark will actually be something on the lines of Cookies permission as without accepting the mark of the cookies we cannot use many websites or services.

There are masses of people outside the taxed economy who exchange goods and services for money and they will continue to thrive without the mark.

Howveer here in UK all roads now have Automatic Number Plate Cameras that check every vehicle is taxed and insured so while a lot of crooks can get by on false plates the ANP systems will be getting better and hold more info so eventually it will be impossible to drive without correct documents.

Maybe the CCTV on fuel pumps will be linked in to prevent anyone with untaxed cars from buying fuel.

Same goes for buying or renting a home, opening a bank account or finding a doctor

Let's rmember what Zephaniah prophesied 

^{Zephaniah 1:2} I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the Lord.

³ I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked: and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the Lord.

⁴ I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;

⁵ And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the Lord, and that swear by Malcham;

On 3/7/2020 at 5:12 PM, JoeCanada said:

VULTURES AND A CORPSE

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                               Gospel in the end times....Nelson Walter

Jesus then further instructs us that there will be a division; some will be taken and some will be left. Jesus gives two examples: people in a bed or in a field. Jesus is obviously implying that those who are taken will be taken to safety just as Noah and Lot were taken to safety prior to the judgments of those days!  This common sense interpretation flies in the face of those  who believe that those taken are the wicked taken away to judgment and those who remain are the righteous.  Obviously the linkage to the stories of Noah and Lot implies the righteous are raptured to safety.

The disciples were confused as well as we are today and asked Jesus, “Where Lord?” By this they meant, where are the righteous taken? As a capstone to this entire passage Jesus then gave us the illustration of the vultures and a corpse in order to make his meaning completely clear.

I think the vulture remark merely means that all the unbelieving people will be following the false prophets.