Peterlag

And this is from Andrew Farley but not in my book... We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual. The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian. And this is from me but not in my book... Let's assume God gave you a spirit that had its own nature and it became part of you to the end that it became you. Then it would no longer be you but this new nature that God has caused you to become. Could we then say your old sinful nature was gone?

Okay then you explain these... Romans 6 How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. being made free from sin, and become servants to God, 1 John 3 & 5 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

Okay then you explain these... Romans 6 How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. being made free from sin, and become servants to God, 1 John 3 & 5 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

What verses are the "we" in?

I see it this way... Chapter 1 6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" 6. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. 7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." 7. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man. 8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 8. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. 9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 9. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man. 10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 10. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. Chapter 2 1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" 1. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. 2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 2. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. 3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments." 3. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man. 4 "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 4. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. 5 "But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him." 5. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man. 6 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." 6. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

I see it this way... Chapter 1 6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" 6. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. 7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." 7. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man. 8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 8. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. 9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 9. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man. 10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 10. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. Chapter 2 1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" 1. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. 2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 2. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. 3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments." 3. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man. 4 "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 4. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man. 5 "But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him." 5. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man. 6 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." 6. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

I believe the above 1 John is talking to the person who is not yet saved. Same as Romans 10:9-10.

It's pretty basic stuff. God does not need to tell you that you should breath air. It's basic stuff. The Law was not written to the Christian but to Israel during the Law administration.

I have given you some good data to prove why I write what I do. If you don't want to believe the simple truth. Fine. Believe what you think is true. Just don't tell me I'm wrong because you disagree with me.

What's your question? Should I use writings from another guy who had a book that was out of print at the time I used it and was reprinted by another school with no copyrights owned for it? Sure. Why not? It is good stuff and it's not word for word because I cleaned it up a little.

Is that the site that has nobody's name on it? The site where nothing is being sold?

The answer is no. All IRS forms are not for you. Same with the Bible. Not all of it applies to you.

My notes from E.W. Bullinger's book called How to enjoy the Bible.

I'm getting taxes ready for my accountant and was just looking at some IRS forms just a minute ago. If the IRS says all forms are profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in proper filling that a person may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good return. Would that mean that all IRS tax forms apply to you?

Timothy says all Scripture is given by inspiration of God. It does not say all Scripture is addressed to you.

The "in Christ" are the Christians. Here let me list them for you... I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32). To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels. The different time periods in the Bible are called dispensations. The Greek word for “dispensation” is “oikonomia” meaning the act of administering. The word “o’kos” means house, and “nemo” means to dispense, to weigh or deal out, as a steward or housekeeper. Therefore, the word was used to manage or administrate a household. The word is used three times in Luke 16:2-4, where it's translated “stewardship.” In four other places it's translated “dispensation.” I like the word administration because it communicates very well with our current English language. We must understand these administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one. The first is called the Paradise administration. It was the time of innocence, the time before the fall that ends with Adam and Eve being expelled from the garden of the original paradise. The second is the Patriarchal administration. It was the time after the fall from the Garden of Eden, but before the Law was given. This second administration ended with the coming of the Law to Moses. The third is the Legal administration. It's suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died. The fourth is the Christ administration that overlapped and functioned within the Law administration. Both the Law and the Christ administration officially ended with the coming of Pentecost. The fifth started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts. This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ. The sixth begins with the appearing of Jesus Christ, and the gathering together of the saints. Believe it or not, this administration ends with Satan destroyed, and the great white throne judgment. The seventh is the Glory or Paradise administration, which will not have an ending. Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we neglect to rightly divide the subject matter. As far as we are concerned in this Grace administration, what happened to Israel in the Old Testament was written for our learning. If we do not rightly divide to whom it's addressed—the Jew, Gentile, or the Church of God, we will use one truth to contradict another truth, and we will use what is true for one group in contrast to what is also true for another group. These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

I like Galatians 5:17. Next verse But if you be led of the spirit... then it list the flesh deals and then it list the spirit things and for some reason you thing we have both at the same time.

I don't see a problem with Galatians. I have been saying this hundreds of times and you still can't hear me. Verse 26 "In Christ" Verse 27 "baptized into Christ" Verse 28 "in Christ"

I thought you would never ask... Being in Christ is not what I was taught, meaning that you are in fellowship, which means you are walking upright with your flesh. I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh. It now seems perfectly clear to walk in or by the spirit is the same as putting on the Lord Jesus Christ. It's the same as having fellowship with Jesus Christ, which is also part of having the mind of Christ. Living in Christ is the same as being strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. There's a verse where Jesus says without me you can do nothing. Well, I'm never without him. So I can continue to say I have the mind of Christ, and therefore can stand fast in the Lord, whereby I can do all things through Christ. Why? Because as I have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so I can walk in him. I would like to also note that both faith and love are in Christ Jesus, which means in my spirit... because it's the spirit of Christ that is in me. And yes this is why as he is so am I in this world.

What's your point?

I don't have any fights with my flesh. Nothing is fighting with my inward man. I believe the spirit of Christ is my new nature and therefore I have been able to function in it. To live in it, walk by it, and be in it. When I finally figured this out is when the lights turned on. Most of my life I believed I was in a battle between what I thought was my old man fighting against what I thought was my new man. Now I'm not fighting. I moved right in the darn thing. It seems to me one cannot walk in or by the spirit if our old nature (which is dead) thinks it's fighting against our new nature.

I'm answering your questions to the best of my ability. You don't like my answers so you call it nonsense. The book of Revelation is not addressed to the Christian. I don't know why you can't hear me. You can say all you want that I'm picking certain verses or not answering you. But Revelation is concerning Israel and not Christians. It's mostly all about the Jewish people right down to its Law and the candle sticks.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel. The present administration of God is in the time period of the New Testament known as Grace. It deals with the new covenant, and it belongs to the time that is called the administration of the mystery. It's a period in time that was not made known to any one prior to this administration because God kept it a secret since the world began. From this our Grace administration, we learn God’s secret purpose that He had placed in Himself, according to the administration of Grace, which was first revealed to the apostle Paul. From the eighth chapter of the book of Romans, it's written to those who live in this present Grace administration, “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” and “that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” From the sixth chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, it was written to those who lived under the Law administration, “it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.” However, from the third chapter of the book of Romans, it's written to those who live in this present Grace administration, “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.” What was written to those who lived under the Law administration is the complete opposite of what is written to us who live under the Grace administration. We will always be in darkness and confusion regarding the truth of God’s Word if we do not understand the different administrations in the Bible. All hope for our redemption is in Jesus Christ, who was born into this world, died, and in the resurrection he became the head of a new creation. The living resurrected Christ Jesus has become the one great subject that occupies the Word of God that the church belongs to. It's this Christ Jesus that is the key to the divine revelation in the Word of God for this our Grace administration. The contents of the New Testament must be understood in reference to Christ Jesus our Lord because the doctrine and nature of God for this our Grace administration are centered in His Christ.

Not sure how my many Bible verses have become a few picked out of context. And I'm not sure what your question is that you say I did not answer. If it has to do with the book of Revelation? Then I stand with E.W. Bullinger on how the different time periods are set up in the Bible and according to Bullinger Revelation is not referring to the Christian. And yes Bullinger who is one of the greatest Bible scholars ever.

This is where we disagree. You believe Paul is referring to the Christian in Romans 7 and I do not. I believe Paul is referring to Christians in Romans 6 concerning sin. Then in Romans 7 he says but before that you had the law and sin. Romans 8 back to but now in the spirit.