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This theory suggests that species evolve over long periods, descending from a common ancestor rather than arising independently. The notion was notably advanced by Charles Darwin in his 1859 work, "On the Origin of Species," where he introduced the idea of a last universal common ancestor (LUCA), believed to be a single-celled organism that lived between 3.5 and 3.8 billion years ago. source "[P]robably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed." - Charles Darwin. Why do you misrepresent EVERYTHING? From the Bible to evolution to Darwin's original writings, everything you post is 180 degrees out of phase with the truth. Evolution theory may have begun with Darwin, but the modern fantasy is not limited to his writings. Today the lie of evolution is taught as if it were established fact. It claims common ancestry between humans and daffodils. It is a false religion, loudly proclaimed by false teachers.

I think everyone here knows which of us posts complete passages and which of us takes fragments of verses out of context. We know there is no truth to your claim that the early church doubted the creation as described. We all know that the claim of universal common descent didn't exist before the 17th century. Further, we know that Biblical purists regard many of the teachings of Augustine as heresy because they didn't exist in the completed Scriptures. You add and subtract to fit your argument, and then pretend that verses which disprove your claim; like Exodus 20:11; do not exist. It IS God's way, despite your many claims to the contrary. God said "Let there be," and there was.

Genesis 2:3-4 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. You are using the same argument that Satan used to deceive Eve. Death was sure, just not instant. You don't like your own arguments being used against you? Most churches believed in the six day creation until the 16th century; something else you misrepresent frequently. Does that constitute acceptance of every divergent sect? As you know, I am a Bible believing Christian. I associate more with the Baptists than any other denomination, but if they teach something non-biblical I do not agree. The word of God is the standard of truth, not any denomination nor any claims of s0-called religious leaders who profess heresy. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That includes respected Jewish clergymen who reject Jesus as the lamb of God.

You have a problem distinguishing between "in the day" and "on the day." Satan used the same argument with Eve. Is that where you got it? Why do you promote National Socialist doctrine that man evolved? Why do you promote Satanist doctrine that the Bible is not true as written? Just because a false religion mentions something consistent with the Bible, it doesn't make them anything other than a false religion. I will remind you that Satan quoted Scripture to Jesus. Of course, like you, he misrepresented it. This remains among the stupidest things you ever say. Morning and evening have to do with the rotation of the earth, not the light source. As everyone else seems to understand, the moon wasn't created until the sun was. Moonrise denotes evening. Sunrise denotes a new day. No, what I said was that no expert on the Hebrew language believes the days described in Genesis are anything but solar days. I didn't say they believed what was written; as you do not either. I said when used with evening and morning or as a numbered day, it means a single solar day 100% of the time. I am perfectly aware that post crucifixion Jews are as lost as can be. Their rejection of Christ leaves them no forgiveness for their sins. I don't see them sacrificing any lambs. I give their words or opinions no more credence that that of any other false teacher or false prophet. Even Mohammed had a few grains of truth in his mountain of lies.

is it that you don't understand the Bible, or do you deliberately misrepresent it? The LDS is a false religion, teaching false doctrine. They are more of a cult than a religious sect. God is never described with sexual characteristics in the Scriptures, but He does consistently describe Himself in the masculine gender. While God contains all the qualities of both male and female genders, He has chosen to present Himself with an emphasis on masculine qualities of fatherhood, protection, direction, strength, etc. Metaphors used to describe Him in the Bible include: King, Father, Judge, Husband, Master, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. source Wow! You're still pushing that lie? Although dozens of people have explained to you that light was created day one, you claim it was not? By the way, other than plant and tree life, there was not a SINGLE LIVING THING on earth until day five. Maimonides has been pointed out to have been a non-believer who rejected Christ as the Messiah and the son of God. He may be respected by those who reject Christ and God's word, but Christians shouldn't believe a word he wrote. He was wrong about the greatest truth in the universe. They will one day. So will you... one day. Eventually every knee will bow. False teachers don't have such grace. 2nd Peter 2:1 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

He created all land dwelling animals on day six of creation. The universe was created in six days. You refuse to believe God's word. You disapprove of how He did it and want to distort His word to fit your world view. God is masculine. He. Our Father. His name. No, evening and morning represent one day 100% of the time without exception. The creation week with the day of rest is the basis for our work week. A cycle of the moon is a month. An orbit around the sun is a year. There is nothing else besides the week of creation to designate one week. Jesus believed in. He was actually there. He walked and spoke with Adam. He quoted Genesis regularly. Remember, Christ said that from the beginning God created them make and female. From the beginning; not millions of years later. Cite all the false prophets and false teachers you want. Paul warned us against false prophets and false teachers. Maimonides was born in 1135. He wrote, “If he did not succeed to this degree or was killed, he surely is not the redeemer promised by the Torah. Rather, he should be considered as all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty who died. God caused him to arise only to test the many, as Daniel 11:35 states: ‘And some of the wise men will stumble, to try them, to refine, and to clarify until the appointed time, because the set time is in the future.'” “Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Mashiach and was executed by the court was also alluded to in Daniel’s prophecies, as ibid. 11:14 states: ‘The vulgar among your people shall exalt themselves in an attempt to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble.'” “Can there be a greater stumbling block than Christianity?” So, your great hero rejected Christ as the son of God and refused to accept Him as the sacrifice for the sins of man. "The vulgar among your people?" Do YOU see Christ as being vulgar; a Messianic wannabe? There will be many "great spiritual leaders" in Hell. The only salvation is to accept Christ as your Lord and Savior, and to live according to His will. Anything else leads to destruction.

It is difficult to prove that which did not happen. Evolution will never be proven but in the hearts of those who wish it to be so, because it never happened, The alternative, however, is to believe that we were created by God, which carries with it a consequence many do not wish to consider. Yet, nearly all cultures worship God in some form or another because man knows that the organization of the universe could not have come from randomness. According to Richard Dawkins, "Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist." Evolution is a way to explain the origins of the creation without giving any glory to the Creator. It gives cover to people who wish to teach a false gospel in contradiction to God's word. It is an inescapable fact that evolution is 100% in opposition to what is recorded in the Bible. Since an intelligent person cannot believe in two contradictory items, if you believe in evolution you reject the Bible. If you try to convince others that evolution is true, then you are a false teacher.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. A six day creation, NOT evolution. You can believe God's word or you can believe evolution; not both. And yet, there are no Hebrew scholars who will agree with you. When used with evening and morning or with a number yom ALWAYS means a single solar day without exception. Continuing to make false claims to the contrary doesn't give validation to your falsehood. You really need to get some fresh lies. These old ones have been destroyed years ago. Genesis 2 begins, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. It is not another creation story, it is greater detail on the events of day six,

I'm so glad you finally understand this, as I've only said it to you several dozen times. That's why science cannot account for the origin of life or the diversity of species, because such things are the creation of a supernatural God. Since the Bible CLEARLY says that there were trees bearing fruit on day three, we know that trees did not evolve. Since the Bible CLEARLY says that fishes, whales and birds all came about on day five, we know that THEY did not evolve. Since the Bible CLEARLY tells us that all land animals and man were created on day six, we know that animals did not evolve. While we know that Adam was created on day six, we don't have an exact timeline for the creation of Eve. She could have been created that day, or days or weeks later. In Genesis 1:30 we read, "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." Thus we know that all living things were herbivores until the fall of man, after which death came into the world. By this we know that evolution is foolishness, and false doctrine created by Satan to deceive many. By this we know that those who distort the Gospel to preach evolution are false teachers, and that which they proclaim is contrary to the word of God. By reading the entire text, not taking portions out of context and twisting their interpretation, we know that God created the world in six days; that by one man sin and death came into the world; by one man life on earth was preserved from a great flood; and by one man salvation came to all mankind. These messages are very important. They are God's revelation to man.

Exactly! If evil serves God's purpose then a just God would not punish sin. Sin did not ENHANCE Adam's relationship with God, it damaged it. The knowledge of good and evil brought with it the responsibility for our actions and the consequence of our sins.

Like much of what you say, that's not true. Do you think those two things are on a par with child rape? I can show you that the COVER UP of pedophile priests went all the way to the Vatican and included the pope. UN slams Vatican for 'efforts to cover up' pedophile priests in sex abuse scandal. Protestant denominations don't have a man claiming to be second in command to God who supports this behavior. You don't see any central authority shuffling pastors from church to church when their sins are discovered. The Catholic church actively covered up the crimes. That's a matter of record. Here's what we have most recently. Here's a list of political figures accused of sexual misconduct. Many others will be sure to follow once the political machine that covers up the crimes of powerful Congressmen get broken up by a less complicit media. It is an absolute certainty that the mainstream American media is covering up the actions of leftists they support.

Really? Adam and Even walked and spoke with God. That isn't fellowship? Eve was created with childbirth in mind. Had she heeded God's warning, childbirth would not have been a painful experience. It WAS entirely possible for man and God to have a close relationship. It was man who chose to disobey God. Yes, God knew Adam would fall, but the decision was entirely Adam's. God can use sin to His greater glory, but all sin is repugnant to God. Herod fulfilled biblical prophesies, but Herod is most likely already roasting in Hell for his great evil. God delivered Jonah from the belly of the "great fish," but that all happened because he disobeyed God. Noah was an example of Christ; by one man the world was saved, but the Great Flood was a punishment and a curse to the world because of sin. Sin never has a desirable consequence.

The Bible was not written for Abraham. It was written for others to know that Abraham so trusted God he would offer his only son, just as God would one day do for us. Neither did God need to test Job. He knew Job would pass the test, but in that, Job became a lesson for us to trust God over all things. God knew Adam would fail the test, but He gave Adam free will anyway and allowed man the freedom to rebel against God's orders. God knew Lot couldn't find 10 good men in Sodom, but He allowed Lot to bargain down to a very low number so that Lot, and the rest of us, would know that the cities were not worth saving. The Bible is not all written TO us, but all of it is written FOR us. There is no chance with God. He knows the outcome. The lessons are for us, the unknowing, to determine our level of faith in God's word.

To understand a verse, take it in context. 2 Peter 3:3-7 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. (How can we believe the Lord is coming, when we've been waiting for generations and haven't seen it?) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (This is the great flood, when everything that was on land perished. Peter is using this example as proof that Christ WILL return and the destruction will come, because it has already happened once and we lean nothing from it.) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. What is in parenthesis is my OPINION, which I was asked for. If you ever want the absolute truth, read the COMPLETE passage, and pray that the Holy Spirit reveals it to you. A verse taken out of context can be twisted to mean whatever you want it to mean.

There is no evidence on the Bible for an old earth. The rest of the world understands that Jeremiah was quoting Genesis for effect. You, for whatever reason, can't grasp that. The rest of the world understands that the first sentence of Genesis is a summary of the creation to be described in subsequent verses. For your 19th century heresy to be correct, the entire universe including all dry land had to be eradicated. How, then, did the fossil record remain intact? You seem to think God got it wrong and some other god wiped it all out so He had to start over. This remains the dumbest heresy I've ever heard of. And yet you CONTINUE to claim that it DID exist, that it was wiped out and that God had to start over. This also requires God to LIE about the Fourth Commandment. Should we believe you or God? Both cannot be right. 1. Because it's a stupid claim. 2. Because Genesis details a six-day creation. 3. Because God Himself verified a six-day creation. 4. Because Jesus, who was there, said that man and woman were created from the beginning. 5, Because it has no basis in science or the Bible, only in false doctrine. 6. Because it implies that God made an imperfect earth and had to start over. 7. Because no possible life could have existed prior to the creation of things that didn't exist until after verse 2. Did God purchase a universe creating kit and then assemble it Himself, or did He speak the universe into existence and then form it into it's final state? What, exactly, was it God said to Job, again? Every translation you referenced was published after 1970. They were also copyrighted, meaning they HAD TO be materially different from the original text. NOBODY buys the line you're selling. We call that a distinction without a difference. You spoke to Moses to verify this? Otherwise, you're lying. Don't blame God for your 19th century heresy. You mean your misinterpretation of the Bible? No thanks. I'll stick with what the Bible teaches, not modern day heresies.

You've demonstrated that you understand neither. You still haven't explained the mysterious pre-existence of a world with no light, no air, no heat, no stars and no dry land. All these came AFTER Genesis 1:2. You haven't explained why God claimed a six day creation in Exodus 20:11 if it didn't happen. You haven't convinced us why modern revisions of the Bible from the 1970's should be preferred over the original translations. You haven't explained why the apostles didn't know about the "gap," and why it didn't exist until the 19th century. Your "Gap Theory" has too many gaps to be considered worth considering. We're tired of seeing it in every thread. It isn't. It will be followed by 7 years of tribulation, then the earthly return of Christ, His 1,000 year reign as king of the world, then the final judgment, the arrival of the New Jerusalem and the destruction of the universe as we know it. Yes, the destruction of the world is a direct result of man's sin. Our eternal salvation depends on the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Those who accept Him as Lord will be saved. Those who do not will perish.

You don’t believe what the Bible says about the beginning. Why would anyone think you would trust what it says about the end?

Discussion of the Revelation is for another thread.

Semantics. Man's sin condemned the world. All would have been different had Adam behaved himself. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. There are, in fact, several verses that describes the rapture. A simple Google search will yield many results. Jesus is God, not human, Even when He walked among us, He was, and is, God. There are a total of 10 instances in the Bible where the dead were raised to life. When Jesus died on the cross, there was a great earthquake and an undisclosed number of dead people returned to life and walked throughout the city. Sorry. Not true. Pure heresy. Christ died to take away the sins of the world. The only requirement is that we believe in Him, accept His sacrifice, and make Him the Lord of our lives. When He appears in the clouds He will gather His own to Him; beginning with the dead and then removing those who are saved from the world before the beginning of the tribulations. After 7 years of tribulations, He will return to reign on earth for a thousand years. Our pastor had a very detailed study of the book of the Revelation. It lasted about 3 months.

Unlike some, I make no excuses for pedophiles. Public execution cures pedophillia. Considering that our government is full of pedophiles and human traffickers, I believe too many people have been silent for too long. Clergymen are targets. I know of two pastors who were falsely accused by girls who thought it would be fun to bring them down. Though they admitted making false allegations, there was no consequence to their actions. None of that changes the fact that your pope was part of the cover-up.

The Vatican not only knowingly covered up for pedophile priests, it had to pay out over $1.5 BILLION in damages to victims. How typical of you to ignore that and point fingers at others. While there were cases of abuse in many churches, only in the Catholic church was it covered up all the way to the top. In fact, Pope Benedict XVI was fully aware of the situation and did nothing about it.

Jesus was speaking directly to the scribes and Pharisees. Specifically, He was talking to those who referred to themselves as "Father" or "Rabbi." Matthew 23:5-12 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. This has nothing to do with being a birth parent. Again, you should read the actual Bible and not the atheist websites dedicated to attacking it. FYI, your birth parent has something in common with God in that he had a part in your creation. The minister, unless your mom was cheating with him, did not. No clergyman has earned the right to be called "Father" but to his own children.

Were that true, the writings of Augustine would have been banned. Amazingly, the Church of Rome has many heresies enshrined in their traditions. I’ve listed some of them for you.

That applies to clergymen how, exactly?

It resulted in the homosexual rape of young boys and a subsequent cover-up by the Vatican.