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    A question that I addressed to Catholic apologists

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    53 minutes ago, Sower said:

    You said;
    "I was a Catholic and it was questions like the one that I asked, which many here believe should not be posed, that opened my eyes to the reality that the RCC is NOT the true church of Christ"

    Ask all the questions you need to find the truth and anyone here will be blessed/happy to answer seekers of the good news. I came here many years ago and remained a lurker for years till I saw the way the wind blew, do's and don'ts..

    There have been some and probably will be more catholics that come here not seeking but preaching their RCC dogma. It can get pretty heavy/heated, and that is why there is a 'catholic' section for them and whoever else who wants to try to share truth with them, and spare others studying the scriptures, not dogma. I tried for years to no avail on the RCC section to those preaching dogma. It is usually easy to spot a preacher posing as a seeker, though not always.

    You said;
    "The most loving thing we can for another is to share the truth with them.  But there are folks here saying that we shouldn't share the truth with them because they might feel offended"

    Incredible.  

    May sound incredible to you but hand around and watch. There are catholics, and other denominations as well, that have trouble with some of the core doctrines that most of us here stand by. And even those who believe the core doctrines can get offended. Happens probably every day, and not incredible. Reality.

    "The most loving thing we can for another is to share the truth"

    I also believe there is nothing more important than planting seed.
    Debating church origins serves me no benefit to sharing Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Faith comes by hearing, the word. Not church history.

    "The most loving thing we can for another is to share the truth"...default_thumbsup.gif.28c5d74ec901e071e66c4488446528a9.gif

     

    I don't know what to tell you, my brother.  I enjoy learning and I ask questions.  I've enjoyed reading a number of your posts as well and have told you so.  

    I do enjoy being a member of this community and I do want to respect its sanctity.  Perhaps @George should just invoke a blanket BAN of any and ALL discussion on anything and everything Catholic.  I've learned a LOT about the falsehoods of Catholic theology from my Christian brothers and sisters here and I have shared what I have learned with others but I have also come to understand that some here are so repulsed by anything Catholic that it might be best just to entirely ban such discussion.  

     

    What do you call a church that BANS people who ask difficult questions?

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    51 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

    Hi,

    The Avatar is an early Messianic Symbol reportedly from the 2nd century AD evidently discovered on pottery around Jerusalem. It illustrates Romans 11:17-18.

    Menorah on top reminding of God's Torah ( The Law), and the promises made to Abraham in calling out the chosen people.

    Magen David in the middle recalls the  making of the Davidic Monarchy in the land Israel.

    ( The) Fish at the bottom is the early symbol for Yeshua. [Grk. ichthys]- an acronym, Son of God, Savior, showing that the gentile has been grafted into the Jewish root through faith in Yeshua, the Messiaah of Israel, the fulfiller of Torah and rightful King in the line of David.

    The fusion of the three illustrates that  Jew and gentile are one in Messiah, with the middle wall partition broken down ( Eph. 2:14)

    It is used today by a ministry that has benefitted me greatly, Zola Levitt ministries, and it is also very familiar to Worthy Christian Forums. 

    Baht Rivka Whitten provided access to one in the form of a pendant and necklace that I have selected and wear constantly as my own person reminder of how blessed I am to have  received the personal call to Yeshua by the Holy Spirit despite my resistance and even denial of His divine authority.  It also reminds me, as I wear it, to share of what is so close to heart, the gospel of Yeshua.

    Love God, love one another.

     

    Thanks for sharing!  

    Am I understanding correctly that you are a  Messianic Jew and a Christian?  

    Publishers Clearing House scammers and others

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    Just now, The_Patriot21 said:

    That was definitely the logic behind it. Unfortunately they answered with the robo calls.

    Sadly, I've heard of people who were scammed and who were then scammed again by people claiming to be with the government, police, etc., and who were going to "help" them to recover their original loss. 

    Unless they ask for forgiveness and repent from that despicable behavior, they have a nasty surpirse awaiting them in the hereafter.    

    What do you call a church that BANS people who ask difficult questions?

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    38 minutes ago, farouk said:

    There is indeed a balance always to be struck between patience with people who are unfamiliar with the Scriptures and making it known that utter antagonism and blasphemy are not acceptable.

    That's true.  There's a difference between acting tough questions and trying to antagonize people and it's rightful to ban people who persist in wanting to cause trouble.  

    Titus 3:10, NIV: Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.

    What do you call a church that BANS people who ask difficult questions?

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    2 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

    "What do you call a church that BANS people who ask difficult questions?"

    Responding to the title and not all that followed, I wouldn't call it anything.

    For it would not become my issue to contend with, unless it is the local body of Christ Jesus that the Holy Spirit has specifically led me to attend, participate in and serve my Lord ;  but if it was, then I would simply try to learn the  policies there, find the need my Lord may want to use me to serve in, and pray praises to  my Lord for giving me yet another place to serve until He has me moved along to perhaps another place  or station to serve as a soldier in the army of Jesus. 

    Great post my brother!  

    What does your avatar represent, please?  

    Also, I love your comments below your avatar.  

    Location:USA, wherever my creator leads

    Interests:Individuals interest me, and oddly so does solitude. My creator and savior just astounds me!

    What do you call a church that BANS people who ask difficult questions?

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    35 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

    But I think people can go too far on a Christian message board. 

    I guess it depends on the purpose of the particular Christian message board.  Learning involves asking questions and sometimes those questions can be difficult to answer.  Sometimes even legitimate questions and opinions can unintentionally offend another.  

    I know of Christians that advocate that abortion is not immoral.  Should they be permitted to share that opinon and their reasoning behind it on a Christian message board?  I personally find the idea of Christians support aborting as ABSURD, but I would NEVER want them to be banned for saying so.  I welcome it as an opportunity to learn their argument in order to compare it to the word of God and then respond.  It wouldn't be possible to influence positive change if we ban everybody that expresses unpopular views.  

    What do you call a church that BANS people who ask difficult questions?

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    39 minutes ago, Starise said:

    People who are Catholic hold that their church is the THE church among many other things. This commonly causes conflict with just about every other Christian group out  there. 

    I've encountered Catholics that believe that the only path to salvation is by being a Catholic.  I've heard others say that the RCC does NOT teach that doctrine.  

    From my own personal experience, my impression of most Catholics is that their parents were Catholic and so they are Catholic, some go to Mass and some don't, and they know very little about the Bible.  

    The hardcore Catholics are, in my view, cult-like with their devotion to the RCC.  

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    A question that I addressed to Catholic apologists

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    4 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

    Peter would have had to be about  three hundred years old if he had anything to do with the Catholic church. 

    I understand that the word "catholic" is supposed to mean "universal" or "comprehensive".  I did a Bible search for catholic, univere, universal, and comprehensive and didn't find any.  Jesus said he will build his church.  I know Paul talked about the church.  I don't recall any verses wherein the church was referred to as "universal" or anything like that.  Do you know of any?

    What do you call a church that BANS people who ask difficult questions?

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    1 minute ago, Marathoner said:

    Plenty of blame going around. When one is a guest in the house of another, it's good to abide by the rules that house. If not, then one can reasonably expect to be cast out of that house by the owner. 

    Pointing fingers at others distracts from the teaching of the Lord to examine ourselves first: tend to the log in our own eye before pointing at the mote in our brother's eye. If something is done to us and it isn't warranted, brush the dust off of our feet and move along without complaint. Complaining accomplishes nothing worthwhile. :)

    I don't disagree with you and I apologize if I sounded like I was "complaining".  I actually thought it was funny that they were so shaken by a simple question that they banned me.  And I do agree that it's reasonable to be expected to abide by the rules but, like I said, the end-around is to say that someone is "trolling" which then justifies banning them.  I think it's weak and cowardly but that's the nature of the world.  

    What do you call a church that BANS people who ask difficult questions?

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    1 hour ago, Mama Etna said:

    Sadly that site banned people for expressing mainstream ideas.  I was kicked off over something ridiculous.  One of the admins was a member elsewhere where he got caught spamming.  The owner of the site kicked him off.  I was banned because I was a member of that site and didn't advocate for him.

    I have quit forums and have been banned from forums for the simple reason that the vast majority of people cannot tolerate reading or hearing an idea that doesn't goose-step to their own worldviews.  

    What do you call a church that BANS people who ask difficult questions?

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    1 hour ago, ayin jade said:

    This site has rules that everyone agreed to when signing up. Even if you didn't read them.

    It is not cowardice to enforce rules and ban troublemakers.

    I have not disputed any of that.  

    Sometimes people ask questions that might be called "rhetorical" while another might call it "trolling".  It's subjective.  Most people go with the latter when they dislike the question or statement and then want the offender banned into oblivion.  It's not what I would call "Christlike".  

    A question that I addressed to Catholic apologists

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    13 minutes ago, Mama Etna said:

    Much of the Catholic doctrine concerning Peter comes from misunderstanding this verse:

    And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. - Matthew 16:18

    The rock mentioned is found in Peter's statement.

    15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

    16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 16:15-17

     

    The rock upon which the Church is built is Jesus, not Peter.  Peter did not found Christianity.

     

    In reading Matthew 16:18 from your post and the verses below, it sounds like Jesus was referring to Peter as being a part of the rock and NOT the rock itself.  But maybe I am misunderstanding.  :noidea:

    1Peter 2:4  As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 
    5  you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 
    6  For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

     

    A question that I addressed to Catholic apologists

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    1 minute ago, Mama Etna said:

    Peter did not found Christianity.

    I don't think that point is in dispute.  

    It's my understanding that the RCC believes that Peter was specially designated by Jesus to lead his church and that Peter was the first Pope and that ALL of the apostles and the churches that they founded were also all Catholic.  

    But that is NOT my belief.  

    My belief is that the church that was founded in Rome was legitimate as were all of the congregations that were started by the apostles.  Thereafter, I believe that the church in Rome was fundamentally hijacked and that it turned into something else.  

    I'm 56 and I was around 50 when I decided that I should be following the word of God in the Bible and NOT the Catholic Church.  Verses about "not being of the world" really opened my eyes because it was/is obvious to me that the RCC is very much "of the world".  And, as I delved deeper, I discovered many things about the RCC that cemented my view that the RCC is NOT, in fact, teaching the actual word of God.  

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