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On 10/13/2022 at 1:43 PM, David1701 said:

N.Z. is going to tax cow burps???  Perhaps the genius who came up with that idea would like a nice padded cell to live in, and a matching jacket that fastens up the back.  Alternatively, he could be a leader in the N.W.O..

There is no such thing as “climate change”, only climate changes.

Of course there are changes in everything because of the activities around us.

But there is no big green climate change monster that mankind can alter or create at all, or should worry about.

We Christians have read the back of the Book and we know who wins.

Destroying the climate is the least of mankind’s worries right now.

Maybe we should put hate, unbelief, disobedience, transgenderism, pornography, blasphemy, and a whole host of other sins before climate change.

Good grief.

On 10/28/2017 at 3:31 PM, ayin jade said:

So I would like to know. Please show me. Where does it say that they preach the gospel in the end times?

No where does it say that the 144,000 will preach.  
This has been taught for so long that it seems that many believe it.

Another one of those teachings that is believed because some teach it so much.

Not in Scripture.

16 hours ago, JohnD said:

You are imposing your belief on the text.

What it actually says is:

Isaiah 44:24 (KJV)
24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

 

And from John 1:3 / Colossians 1:16 / Hebrews 1:2 we learn that this divine individual was none other than the preincarnate Jesus.

 

This helps us to understand how Jesus is the only Son of the Father. The only thing the Father created is the body of the Son (John 1:14 / Hebrews 10:5 / Hebrews 1:5).

 

All three individuals of the Godhead were present at the time of creation (John 1:1-2 / 1 John 1:1-2 / Genesis 1:1-2) but the preincarnate Jesus acted alone by himself in creating all things created in the beginning.

 

“I”, “alone”, “by myself” do not imply that the person designated is Jesus alone.

1 Cor. 8:6–“yet for us there is but one God, the Father, FROM WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and through whom we live.”

This verse declares that we have ALL THINGS from the Father and through Jesus Christ.  Both are equally involved in creation as is the Holy Spirit.

I am not imposing any beliefs on Scripture.  This is exactly what it says, word for word.

All three members of the Trinity are equally involved in creation.

On 5/13/2023 at 5:02 AM, JohnD said:

And in the Isaiah 44:24 we read (twice) that Jesus created all things "by myself."

That verse is including all three plural of the Trinity and not just Jesus.

Why would you say that this is Jesus only in creation?

Of course all three are all there, but all are included in creation.

It doesn’t say otherwise.

3 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

"Yes" The Church Will Be Present on Earth, There Won't Be A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Don't Be Deceived

"The Church" seen in Luke 21 below, those who are persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ, they will be eyewitnesses of the future great tribulation and second coming of Jesus in the heavens, your claim of a pre-tribulation rapture would be false

The Tribulation verses 25-26 below, the Second Coming verses 27-28 below

"Yes" The Church On Earth, Hated By The World For The Name Of Jesus (Verse 17)

Luke 21:17 & 25-28KJV

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

I’ll see you in the rapture!

On 1/11/2020 at 10:29 AM, Sister said:

The dragon knows it is Christ, but he instigates a huge lie to the Beast who uses the FP to declare to the world that earth is being invaded by Aliens...or something of that nature.  They will be told anything but the truth.

This lie you speak of that will come from the dragon is to dupe the world into believing a false narrative.

I, being a dispensationalist who believes in the pre-trib rapture have taught that this same kind of trickery could  be used by the anti-christ immediately after the rapture to deceive those left behind that some strange thing has just happened.

It wouldn’t be hard as no Christians remain on earth at that time and it would not be difficult for an evil genius to deceive a world of unsaved people.

He could say alien abductions, mysterious scientific phenomenon, or simply calm the masses with promises to investigate.

Don’t forget, the disciples asked, who then can be saved?

Jesus told them that with man it is impossible but with God all things are possible.

13 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I didn't say the tribulation.I said I know how to calculate the day the great tribulation begins.Its not some top secret info.Its in the bible.

You can know 1290 days before the exact day it begins.You would just need to be paying attention.

You have no way of knowing that.

On 5/3/2023 at 11:27 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

understand how to calculate the day the great tribulation begins so I already know something that you said can't be known.

You do not know the day that the tribulation begins.

Come on and be real.

God has not given you some special discernment beyond what other believers have.

Just a little humility , please.

2 hours ago, JimmyB said:

I read several translations of the Bible.  Each has their assets and their shortcomings, but in general I prefer the NRSVue, the NIV, the NET and the NLT. I find them to be a good balance between translating the ancient languages into modern English and still retaining the "flavor" of the source languages. They are all the results of excellent scholarship and sensitivity to the nuances of both the source and destination languages.

I am interested in which translations others prefer, and why.  -> KJVOs please desist from claiming that the KJV is the word of God <-  If that is your preferred translation, fine, but please state your reason.

My favorite go to is and has been for a long time the NIV.  I like the fact that it is very readable English and still true to the original meanings.

However, I also use several translations and sometimes many to get clarity and meaning.

Any accurate interpretation is more readily available if  several translations are consulted.

20 hours ago, farouk said:

The rapture of the church; 'caught up'; 1 Thess. 4.

I understand and agree with you that there are some signs of the end before the church is taken in the rapture.

Even though some don’t understand this, I realize that you are speaking of general signs and not cataclysmic world events.

Jesus told us we would not know the exact time and would not have exact knowledge of the time of the rapture.

In Christ 

17 minutes ago, farouk said:

@BibleWords I know some ppl say that Psalm 50.10 supposedly suggests that the millennium is not literal:

"For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills."

But to stretch this figure of speech about a thousand hills is really a big stretch, imho.

Huge stretch for this to say anything concerning the millennial reign.

Normal interpretation would suggest that this is telling us that God owns it all.  He is not dependent on man at all.  If anything, we see God’s all-sufficient power in this claim.

3 minutes ago, farouk said:

@BibleWords Thanks for your participation in the poll. The various responses will make for an interesting overall picture, I reckon.

(Would the relative's tattoo(s) that he or she has happen to be faith-based in design?)

I don’t think any of them are.

22 minutes ago, farouk said:

FYI,, @BibleWords ..........did you see the recent poll, above?...........

Don’t know the effectiveness or much about them.  I don’t have any tattoos at all.  Don’t want any. I do have relation who does.

1 hour ago, farouk said:

Whether one reads Darby or not, the distinction in Scripture between Israel and the church is clear.

So true.

The confusion about the church and Israel is man made and Scripture clearly speaks separately of both.

God is not done with Israel.

Israel-one line throughout the Old Testament

Israel and church-two lines throughout the New Testament 

33 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Zech 14 shows the wrath of God consuming people ,yet those who are saved recieve rain.Those who recieve rain are not consumed in the fire.They are not taken away from the earth yet they are not consumed in the fire.

No reason to believe in a rapture if you've received rain.Something tells me that the people who believe in the rapture have not received rain and therefore don't understand it.

 

Believe what you want.

Jesus promised His followers the rapture.

Anyone not believing in it doesn’t make it any less so.

In Christ

On 3/20/2017 at 1:12 PM, Guest said:

"Predestination?" No, that is not why children go to heaven when they die. Yes, GOD does know who will and will not accept Christ as their Savior. But that is foreknowledge on the part of GOD, not predestination. Scripture teaches us, in Romans 8:28-30 "And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined He also called, those He called He also justified, those He justified He also glorified." First come the foreknowledge, then the predestination.

The reason that children go to heaven is because until they understand the law and the sin nature, they, because of GOD's Justice, are not held responsible and therefore have not sinned in the eyes of GOD. God is love and His concern for children is evident in Matthew 18:14 where Jesus says, “Your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost.” People go to hell because they choose in willful rebellion and unbelief to reject God and His grace. Children are incapable of this kind of conscious rejection of God. Where such rebellion and willful disobedience is absent, God is gracious to receive.

I couldn’t agree more.

Both on foreknowledge/predestination and on the subject of babies going to heaven.

3 minutes ago, JLG said:

- You can be the son of someone!

- But Abraham had a special relationship to God which was not the case of Israel!

At times Israel strayed from God but is still God’s chosen people that He will restore in the millennium.

Jesus sprang from Israel as many Scriptures attest to.

8 minutes ago, Arial said:

Why do you think that is related in any way to the "rapture" without reading that into it? You are missapplying the scripture. It is a historical account. The righteous Noah had to be saved out of that judgement. Otherwise there would be no one. The whole world was about to be flooded.

 

Did those who escaped see the wrath of God? Were they raptured out of it? They escaped His wrath. And Christians will always escape His wrath. They will never face His wrath against them. That does not mean they won't be around during it. They often have been, even in the Bible.

 

How does one jump from Jesus promising them a place in the kingdom to Him telling them His bride will be raptured before the also speculative seven year tribulation. A great deal of Rev is practically quoted from Daniel's dreams. And his dreams, though they were interpreted in the Bible, have been reinterpreted by men to come up with this seven year time span followed by the also speculative literal thousand years. Read it again without prejudice. There are other schools of thought concerning the seven weeks, the times, time and a half time etc. Learn them all---then decide. It is easy enough to do on the internet.

 

I believe they will get worse and "we ain't seen nothin yet." Certainly the persecution of the church and her people will be worse and worldwide, not just in pockets. And yes I can see it building towards that. But how does that equate to a rapture or a literal seven years or 3 and a half years of it?

Just one example you brought up.

The millennial reign.

Rev. 20 repeats several times that there will be a 1000 year reign.  This is not speculation as it is right there in the Bible.

But I know, you spiritualize that part.  You do not believe that is literal either.  Literal interpretation verses spiritualizing.

One more thing.  When the text of Scripture is spiritualized you can make it mean or not mean anything you want.

I’ll stick with the literal Word of God.

On 1/13/2023 at 3:20 AM, JLG said:

- Never!

- It isn't part of their vocabulary!

- The opposite of Abraham!

- So different!

- In fact, they have nothing to do with God's friend!

Of course they have something to do with Abraham.

Abraham is the father of the Jewish nation.

21 minutes ago, Arial said:

I do not believe that John 14 can in any way be seen as support of rapture theory. It would seem that in order for it to do so, a firm belief of a coming "rapture" would have to pre-exist in the one who does so. Without that belief already present a  reading of those scriptures would never arrive on it own to being about a rapture. ANd in all of Daniel of the dreams interpreted, in all of Rev, in all of the few scriptures of the NT that are used as though they clearly used the word "rapture" and do not, is any such thing actually ever said?

John 14 is not speaking about Jesus coming to take His bride. It is talking about Jesus leaving the disciples as His finished work of redemption on earth, promising they will be with Him where He goes, (but not when), and sending them the Holy Spirit to carry on the earthly work of gathering the sheep (the bride) through the gospel spread.

Don't forget that Jesus was speaking to His disciples. Almost all of whom died horrific martyr's deaths. Don't forget the countless times both Jesus and the apostles promised that His people would suffer and be persecuted but that He would bring them through trouble. Don't forget history. The dark ages and periods of great persecution of the church, the burnings, hangings, imprisonment, torture, all for the name of Jesus. That is a refining for His church and a judgment stored up for His enemies---many who met it in the land of the living while they saints bore witness.

Don't forget 70 a.d. when the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed and the priesthood and sacrifices were brought to an end. That was a judgment, wrath of God poured out.

This is an analogy made where no analogy exists without a preconceived belief in a "rapture" eisegesis being forced on the scripture.

The Bible does not clearly teach any "rapture". It doesn't teach it at all.

The bride of Christ is never told that she won't witness God's wrath. She has witnessed it many times in history and would even today could she but see. It is seen in the very verses of Romans 1.

Who was judged in the flood?

Who escaped?

Who was judged in Sodom and Gomorrah?

Who escaped?

Where was Jesus promising to take His disciples in John 14?

All troubles of the church down through the years are terrible, of course, but you surely cannot equate these expected trials with the great tribulation.

Matt. 24:21–“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”

This verse, spoken by Jesus, clearly tells us that the trouble of the church down through time does not compare with the great tribulation.

Surely you must see this.

4 minutes ago, Arial said:

The church (all those in Christ through faith) is and always has been and always will be protected from the wrath of God. There is no need of a "rapture" to protect them from it. Jesus faced it for them.

Don't confuse protection from the wrath of God as being not witnessing His wrath. We witness it all the time.  We just don't recognize it for what it is.

We are protected from the wrath and judgement by the grace of Christ, that is correct.

But God uses the rapture as the means to get us out of earth before His wrath comes.  Of course He could leave us here, we would still be saved by grace even when we are killed for His name. Salvation would not be a problem.

But Jesus did not choose to send His Bride through the time of Jacob’s trouble.  
John 14–Jesus promised to come and get His bride and take her to the Father’s house.

The Father’s house is not on the earth in the middle of horrific conditions.

In the verses above quoted (Matt. 24) the flood came and took away the sinners in judgement.  The ark took away the righteous from judgement.

The Bible clearly teaches the pre-trib rapture.

The bride of Christ is never told that she will witness God’s wrath.

On 5/13/2023 at 11:23 PM, MichaelSnow said:

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. ³⁸ For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, ³⁹ and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

The ones taken away here are taken in judgement.  Like Noah’s day.

Different coming from rapture where believers are delivered from God’s wrath

Two separate comings, one in the air and then back to the Father’s house (John 14) and one to set up His kingdom on earth (Rev. 19).

Wrong “missionary Baptist”.

BMAA 

Baptist Missionary Association of America

Sorry

Dan. 9:27 is the reference to the “covenant with many for one week”.

This is the week of years you referred to, the seven year tribulation which will be divided into two 3 1/2 year periods because the Antichrist will set up the abomination of desolation in the temple in the middle of the seven years.

The whole seven years is the tribulation which comes after the rapture of the church, but the second half is the 3 1/2 years you spoke of, which is the Great Tribulation.

The second period is the wrath of God poured out.

The church has been protected from the wrath of God by knowing Jesus and going in the rapture before the tribulation.

This is the time known as Jacob’s troubles.

In Christ