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My point is that fear is not respect, it is not taking God for granted, it is not following His comandments, and fearing Him and being afraid of Him are indeed the same thing. The only fear that I could have of walking down any empty street in any neighborhood at 3 AM would be if the Lord was not with me.

"Fear of the Lord means not taking Him for granted."

In Matt. 7:21-22-23 Christ tells us that not all believers are going to heaven.

Look at James 2:19

There's a sprinkling of that message throughout the bible.

If we knowingly reject Gods Word, how can we expect anything good from Him?

If you can prove that God does not in fact exist, why aren't you taking that to the media? You could put a stop to all the lies. You could be the man that brought down God.

Why would the media be interested?

"Atheist demonstrates non-existence of God. Christians dismiss his claims, ignore him and carry on as before."

It's hardly news, is it.

You mentioned gay marriage. You should know that it is only a matter of time before gay marriage becomes a reality.

Only because you guys are failing to stop it.

Whatever the catholics do is their business. I am not of the catholic faith. If they want to force their beliefs on others, again their business not mine.

It is your business if you are the one they are trying to force them on.

If you are being persecuted by the christians, how is being here going to change that?

Well, for a start it can humanise us - and counteract the teachings of Pastors and Preachers that brand us all as immoral monsters to be shunned.

When Christians see us as being just like them, except for believing a few different things, they are less likely to see us as the "enemy".

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Do you have any idea what your proof would do to for scientific world? You would famous. The christians wouldn't be able to dismiss you because you have proof.

Look how far the gay movement has come in the last 25 years. Their culture is gaining acceptence more and more as the days go by. Before you know it, gay marriage will become an everyday thing.

I am an individual. I don't belong to a group. I don't need a labal to define who I am. No one forces anything on me. What goes on in the church is the churches business, not mine. Until someone physically gets in my face, I'm not going to worry about it.

If you don't want to be persecuted, drop the labal. (and the attitude) Why is it so important to you that others know of your beliefs? You don't like people preaching to you, why do you preach to others?

I know many people who don't believe in God. They don't call themselves atheists.

If you want the world to stop seeing you as a hater of God, you need to change your attitude.

One more thing...

When people hear the phrase "gay lifestyle", do you know what they see?

Half naked men marching down the streets of our cities, flaunting their sexuality. I wonder where they got that image.

If you want be different, be different. If you want people to leave you alone and see you as a human being, stop making your differences an issue.

If you can prove that God does not in fact exist, why aren't you taking that to the media? You could put a stop to all the lies. You could be the man that brought down God.

You mentioned gay marriage. You should know that it is only a matter of time before gay marriage becomes a reality.

Whatever the catholics do is their business. I am not of the catholic faith. If they want to force their beliefs on others, again their business not mine. The way the world looks at christians, I don't see that happening.

If you are being persecuted by the christians, how is being here going to change that?

Anything that depicts the image of God, goes against scripture.

Duet. 4:15-16 Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire. lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female.

There are many others.

God doesn't just want us to not whorship idols, He said we were not to have them at all.

Any image that is recogized as God is wrong.

Stained glass windows, childrens bibles, Christ on the cross, anything that depicts the image of God is idolatry.

Look at Titus 1:16

Galatians 5:19

1 Corin. 10:14

1 John 5:21

I could go on but you know they're there. There are no teachings that say anything good about idols.

Can you realisticly defend these images of God? Can you show me your reasons for going against Gods Word and where God is ok with this practice.

Idolatry is idolatry, within and without. If you question my beliefs, go to the source.

God does not lie.

Since you don't believe in God, what is your reason for being here?

I am a bit confused.

are you on our, or The first poster's side.

Sorry.

I'm a bit dense tonight.

Been working hard!!!

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He's an atheist.

You guys must be really bored. You don't believe in God yet you spend a great deal of time on these boards. What does it matter to you what anyone believes. In your eyes there is no god, so what difference does it make?

My belief in God doesn't require physical proof. If you were as smart as you think you are, you would know that. But all you can ask is "where's your proof"?

Where's your proof that He doesn't exist?

Your questions expose your ignorance of the christian faith.

Trying to prove God exists or doesn't exist is a waste of time. I can't prove to you He does and you can't prove to me that He doesn't. So what's the point?

And you christians that get so wrapped up in these threads. Don't you understand that the goal of these people is to make you look stupid?

You throw out verse after verse, thinking to yourself "here's my proof, this proves the existance of God".

Scripture means nothing to an atheist. I can't believe you people don't understand that. For scripture to mean anything to an atheist, he would have to have some sort of belief that God exists. He doesn't, therefore scripture carries no weight in these debates.

Christ said "cast not your pearls...". Do you not know the meaning of that verse?

As far as all these other religions. Who cares? If someone wants to believe in something other then the God of Israel, let'em. That's their choice. In the end they will know the error of their ways.

Like I said, my beliefs are based on faith. I require no physical evidence.

Trying to prove or disprove the existance of God is like trying to hold a vapor in the palm of your hand.

I don't know what your beliefs are but here are mine where prayer is concerned.

I never pray for material things unless it's for someone else. That's not to say I never have material needs. In situations like those I ask for guidance. Show me what I have to do to get over this bump in the road.

Not all my prayers get answered.

The condition of the heart plays a big role in prayer. If we knowingly sin, we have no right to expect anything from God.

James chap 4 talks about prayer. You might want to check it out.

Matt. 6:5-15 also a good read.

I acknowledge that a lot of conspiracy theories are nothing more than over active imaginations. However because of these theories, there are other theories that have elements of truth to them that get cast into the hack pile.

Bilderberger=Mammon=satan

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All religions have little snippets of truth in them.

Doesn't make'em all right.

You say we choose our own path. We have the ability to do good or bad.

Judas didn't have that choice. Christ chose him just as He chose the other disciples. They were all sinners. What made Judas different?

Once Christ chose Judas, his fate was sealed. Whether he believed or not, he was still chosen to be the one to betray Christ.

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Christ chose Judas because He knew the state of his heart. Judas was a bad apple so he was the perfect man for the job.

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That's my point. He didn't choose, he was chosen.

Are not all the things you listed not on these boards?

You say we choose our own path. We have the ability to do good or bad.

Judas didn't have that choice. Christ chose him just as He chose the other disciples. They were all sinners. What made Judas different?

Once Christ chose Judas, his fate was sealed. Whether he believed or not, he was still chosen to be the one to betray Christ.

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If anyone goes to Hell its because they exclude themselves. They have already fallen. Salvation is a purely a gift.

It is certain that the scripture cannot be broken Psalm 41:9. Judas Iscariot did not want salvation. He did not want to be in Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ knew it and let Judas know he was on to him. He wanted the wages of unrighteousness and he did not repent of it.

The truth of the matter is that all of them would have fallen if it weren't for divine mercy.

All the Lord has to do it remove his hand and we nothing.

Luke 22:31-32 KJV

(31) And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

(32) But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

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My point is that Judas didn't choose to follow Christ. Christ chose him. He had to tag along whether wanted to or not.

When Judas found out what was going to happen to Christ, he repented of his actions. He may or may not have repented to God, but what he did with the silver coins tells us he knew what he did was wrong.

I know this world is going upsidedown, but I need some opinions here, does this sound like an anti-chirst person wrote this?

"life is short--find God, serve Him, which is joy.

You have no reason to be ashamed. If you believe that Christ died for your sins and the He is the only way to the Father, you have nothing to be ashamed of.

There is nothing in the King James that addresses the wearing of hats to church. So put that right out of your head. Where head coverings are concerned, a womans long hair was given to her as a covering. The length of ones hair is not an issue in the church of God.

Don't worry about what other people think of you. If you believe Christ crucified, they have no argument against you.

That feeling of shame is only the devil whispering in your ear " you are not worthy ". You have the power to repell those attacks. Use it.

I don't know....you can't please everyone, so why not please the One that counts.

Just something to ponder.

I'm not a pacifist but this might be what you're looking for.

Rev. 13:10

You say we choose our own path. We have the ability to do good or bad.

Judas didn't have that choice. Christ chose him just as He chose the other disciples. They were all sinners. What made Judas different?

Once Christ chose Judas, his fate was sealed. Whether he believed or not, he was still chosen to be the one to betray Christ.

I do not agree with the notion that God created Satan for to do Evil.  God creates good and calamity, but he does not create moral evil.  God created an anointed the Cherub named Lucifer and Lucifer created Satan by rebelling, for

I don't think there's an answer for that. I could be wrong.

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Hmmm- well, maybe for the same reason He raised up Pharaoh; so His glory could be displayed ? Just a thought anyway...

Romans 9:17

17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.

And

Romans 9:22-23

22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath

How did we get from Christ dying for one person to Schindler's list?

I don't think there's an answer for that. I could be wrong.

Your point is...

Joe@actsii

It took you 7 minutes to copy/paste those huge reams of someone else's work onto this thread.

Since it would take me hours to go through them point by point and refute them, you must forgive me for having better uses of my time.

However, should you decide to join the thread with your own thoughts and words then I would be happy to engage in such discussion with you...

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I agree. I don't know about anyone else, but I fly right by those long posts. If I wanted to read a book I'd go to the library.

Can't we debate with what's in our head? There's nothing wrong with using other sources, I do that all the time. But I put it in my own words, unless it's a scripture ref.

Messages get lost in those long posts.

This is a little off the subject, but I was just wondering.

According to stats. there are approx. 189,983,000 christians in the U.S. (aneki.com)

Another site estimates about 224,437,000. (adherents.com)

If each christian gave just one dollar a week for one month, how many homes do you suppose that would build?

Just a thought.

Remember, the context of this thread is "entertainment." So, the question should be "should I entertain myself with that which God calls sinful?"

I say the answer is "no."

I agree.If it's sin in the name of entertainment then it is still sin.

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Do you watch movies or own a TV?

If so, please name some of the movies or TV programs you watch.

Thanks.

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Actually I rarely watch TV or movies.....I'm addicted to Worthy.

But how can it be beneficial for a Christian to watch a movie that condons immorality,murder, deception or what have you? Just because it is fiction doesn't make it right, in my opinion.

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Are not all the things you listed not on these boards?

Be careful about what you condemn, for in doing so you judge yourself.