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Maybe i am missing something but i don't understand you point your trying to make by showing me that verse? Again... Maybe i am missing something but i don't understand you point... I believe that we get our crowns at the rapture also and always did so i do not see you point?

You know this is the only thread iv seen with someone continually on it, i know this thread gives me goose bumps

Can you please add more proof then personal Opinion on this one, i find no scripture to support it actually being a vision and not an actual advent. Matthew 17:3 "Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus." Luke 9:31 appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. This does not Hold water in as far as the Greek wording is concerned either, the word "Appeared" In Matthew and in Luke is the Greek word "Optanomai" Strongs #3700 meaning: to look at, behold to allow one's self to be seen, to appear. When and if Moses appeared unto Jesus in their glorified bodies as a future representation of them as you state, then why were the apostles not change into theirs? Not only But Matthew and Luke would not have used the word "Optanomai" (to look at, behold to allow one's self to be seen, to appear.) If it were how you believe then they would had used the word "Apokalupsis" Strongs #602 meaning: a disclosure of truth, instruction concerning things before unknown used of events by which things or states or persons hitherto withdrawn from view are made visible to all manifestation, appearance. and they did Not use that word, So not only does you opinion hold scriptural proof, but it does not hold water in Greek either. For even Angels have a glorious appearance, Moses has been dwelling with God for over a 1000 years, and since Sin cannot enter Heaven i would think Like Isaiah being purified and made righteous, Moses was also, how else would Moses be able to live in Heaven? You and i both believe he Lived in Heaven so he had to be made Righteous some way, no doubt about, because sin cannot be looked upon in heaven.

Yay! Can i hear your testamony, like what happend t make you change? Im happy! ScientificBerean would suit you Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character...

What do you believe? Is Jesus God or JUST a man?

Geez... it probably cost More money then $1.16 to get the paper to print it, to get he ink to get a evolope to stamp it to send it to the person. haha what losers

Well, i can respond to this one-(Matthew Henry Post). Just probably not in the way you want. I found a little time to come on today , anyway... I Believe Matthew, yet since i did not write it i am not going to be able to say anything to you to make you believe this because i didn't write it. But i will make this point! God does say they are living, and even in Jesus' day God used them as Messengers, remember God used Moses who was long gone and died 1500 years before him, Yet! Moses talks to Jesus. Moses Died out side the promised land so in no way was Moses' body become resurrected and then walked to Jesus. The bible says that Moses Appeared to Jesus. Before this appearance of Moses, Jesus said: He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive." (I used a New Lexicon for our Convenience) The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon: Alive: Transliterated Word: Zao to live, breathe, be among the living (not lifeless, not dead) to enjoy real life to have true life and worthy of the name active, blessed, endless in the kingdom of God to live i.e. pass life, in the manner of the living and acting of mortals or character living water, having vital power in itself and exerting the same upon the soul metaph. to be in full vigour to be fresh, strong, efficient, as adj. active, powerful, efficaciou Jesus used a word showing life, Being vigorous, in the manner of the living and acting be among the living (not lifeless, not dead). Moses was clearly this when he appeared unto Jesus. Ill get back to the other one tomorrow

I have my own Strongs and dictionary i am using the BHS Interliner Translated. Laak is in it, its Strong's #3807a

This is true Psalm 6:4-5 "Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake. For in death there is no remembrance of thee-Hebrew word: "Laak" meaning: "for/toward them,": in the grave who shall give thee-Hebrew word: "Laak" meaning: "for/toward them," thanks?" This verse is not saying the dead cannot give thanks unto God, the verse is saying Man can not give thanks to the dead. Isaiah 18:19 states, "When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?" Main Entry: consult: Middle French or Latin; Middle French consulter, from Latin consultare, frequentative of consulere to deliberate, counsel, consult transitive senses 1 : to have regard to 2 : to consult an individual 3 : to deliberate together --------------- Remember God is the God of the Living not the dead, scripture to back this up is Luke 20:37: "But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord 'the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive ." A quote from Matthew Henry's Commentary concerning this verse: (v. 37): Moses showed this, as it was shown to Moses at the bush, and he hath shown it to us, when he calleth the Lord, as the Lord calleth himself, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, were then dead as to our world; they had departed out of it many years before, and their bodies were turned into dust in the cave of Machpelah; how then could God say, not I was, but I am the God or Abraham? It is absurd that the living God and Fountain of life should continue related to them as their God, if there were no more of them in being than what lay in that cave, undistinguished from common dust. We must therefore conclude that they were then in being in another world; for God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Luke here adds, For all live unto him, that is, all who, like them, are true believers; though they are dead, yet they do live; their souls, which return to God who gave them (Eccl. 12:7), live to him as the Father of spirits: and their bodies shall live again at the end of time by the power of God; for he calleth things that are not as though they were, because he is the God that quickens the dead, Rom. 4:17 Another quote from Matthew Henry's Commentary concerning this verse: The soul indeed lives in a state of separation from the body and is capable of praising God; and the souls of the faithful, after they are delivered from the burdens of the flesh, do praise God, are still praising him; for they go up to the land of perfect light and constant business. But the dead body cannot praise God; death puts an end to our glorifying God in this world of trial and conflict, to all our services in the field; the grave is a land of darkness and silence, where there is no work or device. This they plead with God for deliverance out of the hand of their enemies, "Lord, if they prevail to cut us off, the idols will carry the day, and there will be none to praise thee, to bear thy name, and to bear a testimony against the worshippers of idols.

I have been aswering your Posts everytime you say something i'v been coming back with more stuff to answer your Question, But the problem with this is there is no other way to answer your questions then with Quetions. If you Go back and read your posts then mind you will see i am answering your questions throughout my posts, i make sure of it. They are not all the time visable to a one time read over ut they are all in there. If you want me to answer them again more spicificly i will You can read all throughout the bible a thousand times but you will never find a verse in the bible once of someone's soul being resurrected from the dead, because the body is resurrected from physical death see Matthew 27:52 which states, "The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life." The Body sleeps as the verse states yet you will not find in that verse of the soul being resurrected because the soul lives. Galatians 6:8 states, "The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life." This means that the spirit will continue to live though the body is dead. This verse does not say the body will reap eternal life, it says the spirit. You like to bring up these verses: Psalm 6:5; Ecclesiastes 9:5 & 10. These passages help support your argument for the "soul sleep" Doctrine. However, if they were referring to a person's soul as well as the body then the "Soul Sleep" doctrine would have a good argument. But! Those verses were speaking of the fate of the body. Ecclesiastes 9:5 states, "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten. "...but the dead know nothing..." This is true, The dead body knows nothing for it is no longer inhabited by you anymore, it is an empty shell of who you were. "...they have no further reward..." This is also true, a body itself can not reap rewards, only the spirit within it can.

There is a separation between Body and Soul, We are not our bodies but the peson living within this tent.Ecclesiastes 12:7: "And the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." I think Ecclesiastes shows the difference between Body and the spiritual realm. Stephen recognizes that there is life after death, Acts 7:59: "While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." Jesus also stated: "For a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." The spirit does not have flesh and Bone, that means that we are not our bodies, we are Soul and spirit stuck in a body, for our souls do not have flesh and bone. Isaiah 26:9 states, "At night my soul longs for Thee, indeed my spirit within me seeks Thee diligently Yes Our bodies do sleep, they await the coming of our Lord Jesus but we have fellowship with the Lord before that, Ecclesiastes 12:5 explains it well: When men are afraid of heights and of dangers in the streets; when the almond tree blossoms and the grasshopper drags himself along and desire no longer is stirred. Then man goes to his eternal home and mourners go about the streets. If it is sleep in the grave is our eternal home, then that means we are going to stay in the grave forever, and we are never to be raised up. Soul sleep contradicts this verse.

According to Titus 2:13 the blessed Hope is, "The glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." The body falls asleep yes, but we live on. Because when the Bible states that someone "sleeping" referring to death like in Luke 8:52 for example, that does not mean a literal "sleep." The term "Sleeping" is a way to describing death because of deaths appearance of looking like sleeping. Philippians 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. Paul said to Die you will gain much more then on earth. Now, how would Paul be gaining anything through death if he were to sleep 2,000 years? It would seem to me that living till Christ came would be gaining more, but Paul also states in 2 Corinthians 5:8: We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. Paul seems to be pretty confident that when he dies he will be Absent from his body, which is much more in gain, because he will be present with the Lord sooner! If you do not believe Paul then surely you will listen to you Master and Teacher, our LORD Jesus Christ when he told the thief in Luke 23:43 while they were on the cross: Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." Ill also like to take David's baby who died for example, II Samuel 12:23: "But now he is dead-(His Baby), wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."

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Isaiah 17:14 says is all, sryians are goners, wouldn't want to live there... In the evening, sudden terror! Before the morning, they are gone! This is the portion of those who loot us, the lot of those who plunder us.

Hello Old Time Thank you for setting this debate up! I hope this will be a very interesting, and low tempered Debate. I would like to open the debate with this question: "Where did Jesus go when he died & why 3 nights?" I believe Jesus went to "Abraham's Bosom" because of 1 Peter 3:18-20: "For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit , through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water." Jesus went some where but i also believe he had another Job according to Ephesians 4:8-9: This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men." (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions-(depths of the earth)? I believe that during the three days between Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, He descended into Abraham's bosom, proclaiming to them the mystery of the gospel, and then led them into heaven. My belief is no one was aloud to enter into the presence of God in heaven until after the atonement brought by Jesus Christ was fulfilled, and then once that had happened, Jesus descended to Abraham's bosom, to then lead those from Abraham's Bosom into heaven.

Be glad too you set it up and ill join!

In the early Years of my High school years, a couple happenings that scarred me for awhile. I told my friend in whom i liked that i liked her,,,, well, she didn't like me, this happened one more time with my other friend, she didn't like me either, by this time iv been rejected by other girls, I was scared until my ehh... Sr. Year. By my Sr. Year I had girls lining up because they liked me... My point is not to let your self esteem like mind did drop into the gutter if this doesn't work out. I'm sure your a great guy, and if it is true what you say about yourself God has a great person out there for you, wether it be this Girl or the Next. Now, looking back at my decision to tell those girls liked them it was a great choice, though nothing prospered from them, because if there is no chase there will be know gain, and if you only go for the sure things in life, you might be stuck for the rest of you life.

Philippians 1:22-23 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: II Corinthians 5:6-8 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: For we walk by faith, not by sight: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. And take Jesus' story of lazarus and the poor man! (Luke 16:19-31)

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