Karen C.

leejo~Oh no, I know that there is those who truly want to be set free and come out and fall right back into the old lifestyle. They do show a fire for the Lord when they are praying for release from prison-jail. During the time I spent in jail I witnessed those who made bond and returned in anger and still in bondage. When the Lord was revealing Himself to me (in jail), my prayer was for answers to what was going on. My life had taken a backseat to my desire to know TRUTH. But there is a few in there that truly are ready. Those are the reason I go. I thank you for your concern. I do need all the help I can get and truly appreciate it. I go to a mentor program at a womens prison twice a month. I speak occasionally in reguards to my deliverance. Is this guy your are talking about a meth addict? If so you really need to look up my testimony. I could email it to you if you need me to... Let me know.. Your Sis in Christ, Karen

leejosepho~As you can tell this is the area of my calling... Have you read my testimony under the Spiritual Warfere Discussion topic at the top? After I completed my testimony I laid it out to the Lord and requested that if this was what He wanted my message to be, I needed confirmation. Within a month I recieved a book. "Meth=Sorcery" via a Church Brother who also is a Counselor at the local mens prison. It confimed ALL that my testimony said. I have found that all my ol' buddies are not interested in being delivered, yet!!! Once they become incarcerated, it becomes a different story. They want the answers then?!?! Praise the LORD! So that's where I go..... The Lord saved me when people all around me were dying and out to kill each other... I know for a reason and for this time.. There is serious manifestations of the demonic realm happening all around us to those who have opened that door.. I had other druggie friends asking "Christians" what was going on??? NO ONE COULD GIVE ME AN ANSWER?! Serious problem when you know something's wrong and go to the KNOWLEDGE SOURCE and get sent back empty handed... That is why I speak out. I'm not proud of my testimony...where I've been w/satan is most degrading..but the Lord told me to use it to reach others. So I do. :thumb: I will pray in agreement for this tormented person you spoke of... I believe through prayer they will seek deliverance. Laying on of the hands on someone who IS ready to recieve Christ as their Savior will set them FREE!!! Much :inlove: in Christ, Karen

Prior to my conversion...darkness to Light, satan to Jesus!

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:inlove: rev... I agree. Christians can fall into bondage and futher if they don't repent..ie..King Saul. Staying Full of the Holy Spirit and moving forward in our sanctification is our duty. Die daily, stay in Love with the Lord! Seek the welfare of others... those Christians cannot be demon possessed.. He can still torment to a degree and I believe the Lord allows some of it for our GROWTH and KNOWLEDGE.. What satan intended to take me out with is what the Lord is using in my life to reach others... In Christ, Karen

No, I used to be infested with a bunch of voices!! I guess that would be close.. Much :inlove: in Christ, Karen C.(for now) hehe...

:inlove: Butterfly~So like the Lord....last night I got out my "Smith Wigglesworth" devotional, and guess what? It was on Acts 19:13-20.. Thought for the day was, The baptism of Jesus must bring us to the place of having our focus centered on the glory of God; everything else is wasted time and wasted energy! AMEN :thumb:

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I'm Karen C. at home and OKC Karen at my temporary place of work...SAME SAME In Christ, Karen C.

I've tried posting from another computer and I seem to be logged on, but unable to post! What's up? I'm working outa town. Thank You Much, Karen

Angel~How many times have you been in service and felt the enemy come and try to "ROOST" right in your mind?! You know, Ol' so and so shouldn't be doing.... Whats ol' so and so doing .... As spiritual folks, YES, we know how to rebuke the enemy. I feel there's a lot of the "little foxes spoiling the vines", so to speak. Example: I work with a girl that I actually had started witnessing to her before she told me she was a Christian already!!! (Sorry, but by attitude and actions I could'nt tell.) Matter of fact she a LIFTIME member of the same denomination as ME!?? Spirit filled Church. That scares me! For the delusion is that strong already? Yes, I'm concerned. At the same time I'm happy that you are working out your salvation with fear and trembling also! :inlove: I will continue to try and spark some people into realizing that this is not a test!! It is forever!!! James 3:13-4:6 13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. 17But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 4 4:1What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? 2You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God. 3When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures. 4You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. 5Or do you think Scripture says without reason that the spirit he caused to live in us envies intensely?

:blush: Traveller :sleeping: This is where we've been, Huh? satan's been busy setting everyone up for these last days. We always called it, "when in Rome....." alot more to that than I ever thought>>>Ha The Lord has given me a message, and it is that satan and his demons are coming in like a flood. We need to be prepared and ready to stand up with the banner of our Lord and TAKE these people back.. :thumb: I'm led in this battle and know that there's going to be alot of so called Christian casualties. I just pray that they don't become fatalities. BHG~sounds like you ran into me... No, for real I couldn't fit into society at all. I WAS MESSED UP!! :biggrin: :blush: But now I'm here proclaiming what the man at the tombs went home and told everyone!!! The Lord has done a wonderful thing in my life! I'm walking living proof! AMEN! :inlove: Lanikila~OOch...Dabbling is SOOO dangerous! Ya know the Lord has shown me the different methods satan has used on different folks. Some of 'em are STRAIGHT religious folk! Another guy, his door was American Indian religion. He used to be a drug addict, but after he cleaned up he was still being tormented. Other doors is "straight up occult". What I'm trying to get at is we need to get serious. Ask the Lord to help us clean house, get anything that might be offensive to Him OR that can used against us by the enemy. He'll do it for anyone who asks. What I've seen is only the beginning, it's going to get worse. Some people will listen, most don't want to! Thay have to learn the hard way too!! I just pray that through my testimony people will realize that it could happen to anyone if you open the door...Most people have and they don't know it! May the Lord Bless Ya'll! In Christ, Karen

Thanks. I was curious if anyone else was running into these unusual circumstances. The ones the Lord has led me to have been ready to be set free.... Most people don't realize that they are demonized or to what their mental state is. They especially don't realize the doors they open through drugs and the occult. That is how strong the delusion is. I believe that we are about to see more obvious manifestations of demonic oppression. I believe we are already experienceing a epidemic of mental strongholds...ie depression, anxiety attacks, and many other disorders seem to have popped up. If you are not on medication, watch TV for 10 minutes and you will be..

:lightbulb: Has anyone ran into anyone who has opened this door with just dabbling alittle in the occult?? ie..terror cards, majic, oiuja boards, horror scopes? Just seeing if ya'll are still alive out here! In Christ, Karen

The story of Cain and Able. Gen 4:2-8 Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 3And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the LORD. 4Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the LORD respected Abel and his offering, 5but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell. 6So the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it." Judas Iscariot Luke 22:1-5 22:1Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread drew near, which is called Passover. 2And the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might kill Him, for they feared the people. 3Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve. 4So he went his way and conferred with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray Him to them. Luke 22:31-34 31And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat. 32But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren." 33But he said to Him, "Lord, I am ready to go with You, both to prison and to death." 34Then He said, "I tell you, Peter, the rooster shall not crow this day before you will deny three times that you know Me." God said to Cain,

Yall there is a battle going on out there. Are you not being affected by this drug? Do you not know someone who needs to understand what is going on??? I know there is PEOPLE DYING in this garbage, satan is DRIVING them to kill!!! Anyone know what I'm talking about??? :sleeping: In Christ, Karen

God, angels, satan, fallen angels, demons, aliens, un-clean spirits, devils.... I never thought the spiritual realm was real. I had a reality check that I will never forget. There are many others out there experiencing this same dimension that I have who need to know that there is deliverance in Jesus Christ! The Lord has directed me in writing this or otherwise I never would have attempted it. There is a need for knowledge in this area. Especially the times we are in. The demonic realm is a difficult subject to speak about. As one who has experienced it firsthand and prayed about what to do with the information. The Lord directed me to get the word out to those who are still suffering with this torment. The word of God say's: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6a.) Hopefully my story will help you to understand the truth behind "who you serve is your master". You serve either God or the devil. The spiritual realm is activated around each of us by our responses to the thoughts and doors we have open. This is about my life of addictions and bondages that almost killed me. It's about coming to know Jesus Christ as my Savior in jail/prison and finally being set free. The Bible say's, "if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."(John 8:36 ) My prayer is that this testimony reaches those who are suffering in addictions and their families who have lost hope in them ever changing. If this helps someone get delivered from satan's snare it will serve its purpose. As I was growing up I chose to do things that deep down I knew were wrong. I was convicted that it was wrong in my spirit, but when the lightning bolt didn't strike me dead I thought to myself "God must not be real." In my mind if there was not a God to answer to surely there was no devil? It was a life of "if it feels good do it" no matter the cost. This lifestyle ended up searing my conscience of moral convictions. (Romans 1:28-32) I started calling evil good. Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter Supernatural activity has occurred throughout the history of this world. Fallen angels have appeared in many ways as gods to be worshipped by man. Satan, a fallen angel, and his principalities, and powers, rulers of the darkness of this world continue turning man from worshipping the one true God. Many civilizations, religions, beliefs and un-belief are founded upon the knowledge that the "fallen angels" have imparted to man to keep us separated from God. Ultimately this knowledge always leads man to death and destruction. I want people to be aware of the traps and doors that are being used today by satan to "steal, kill, and destroy" through methamphetamine and occult. Some of these doors to the demonic realm in themselves seem harmless, but they represent acts of rebellion against God and therefore become strongholds for more demonic (unclean) spirits to control the person. What is happening right now is devastating America and around the world. It is an epidemic of Methamphetamine addiction that has unleashed a flood of demonic spirits that are influencing many to commit horrendous acts through fear and unsurpassed torment. The secular world cannot find a cure for this epidemic. No available pharmaceutical drug can deliver a "meth addict" from the torment they have opened their mind to. It is close to demon possession for the torment continues even after they quit taking meth. Only through Jesus Christ can one truly be set free from this torment. My testimony Prior to my conversion was the strangest time of my whole life. I don't understand all of what is going on but I do know what is going on in the spiritual realm. There is a battle going on and the enemy of our souls is pulling out all stops to take us out! After searching God's word for the answers to what I had been through I'm compelled to share my testimony. "Revelation 12:11 and they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony and they loved not their lives unto the death." I am going to attempt to explain about my past. I am not proud of it by any standards. My hope and prayer is that through my story others might find freedom from bondages that they need to have broken. This is not easy to explain so I'll start where things were almost normal. Understand that I was raised un-churched and spent my life as an alcoholic & drug user. My parents were alcoholics. A generational curse. I thought it was "normal". This is not easy to explain, so I'll start where things were almost normal. Understand that I was raised un-churched and spent my life as an alcoholic &/ or drug user. I had gone into the military when I was 17 years old. The next 16 years was fairly normal. At 33 (May 93) I returned to Oklahoma. I bought the little town bar and business was real good. It was just my daughter Erika and me and we were renting a house in the country. I was offered another bar business in a town 40 miles north and jumped at the opportunity (this one had illegal gambling machines in the back room). I began doing "crank" to help keep the long hours. This is where it began, Aug 1994 (approx.). My life started getting freaky after an Indian Lady had showed up at the bar in Drumright reading palms. Yep, I had her read mine too! Funny thing is, I DON"T remember what she had even said when she looked at my hand. Weird, huh? I know now that was when my life really began to change. The car following, radar detector squealing, things moving around in my house and me thinking it had to be everyone around me doing these things to me to drive me crazy. I just knew I had to have made enemies and they were after me. (or so those voices in my head were suggesting) Whatever happened brought immense distrust and discord of all my family, friends and people that worked for me, after all they were always around they had to be in on it?? I started having trouble with the police, city department, postal service, and I just knew that I must have been missing something. (I had multiple disturbing the peace charges, natural gas leaks, withholding my mail.) What my mind was hearing was that I was running off some of their drug dealers and this was the way of getting the point across. Then the car following began; everywhere I went I was being tailed. It was very obvious and anyone who rode with me noticed. I'd drive 80mph and the cars following me would do 80mph. I could slow down to 40 and so would they. If I turned off the main road and came back down the road they would be setting there waiting for me looking like nothing was going on. They always set off my radar detector with the laser squeal. I could go and park in the middle of nowhere and one of those cars would show up (set off my radar detector). Reminded me of the stories of the "men in black". I was in constant torment of being "watched" at all times. It seemed like I was being bugged. One night Kerry (a friend of mine) and I decided to check the house for bugs. Kerry found something that looked like an in line fuse in the fluorescent light wiring. Searching through my purse I noticed that the duck emblem on the side had been sewn on, but I was able to pull off the emblem. Behind it was a glob of glue with a piece of metal in the middle of it with spider looking wires extending out from it. It looked like what you would imagine a "bug" would look like. We headed to my Sister's house a 7:00am on a Sunday morning with what we had found. I wanted someone who was straight to tell me what we had found. She confirmed what we thought they were, she was convinced too. Kerry had the bright idea to wrap them up and use bailing wire and tied them under the hood of my truck. We didn't want them in the truck with us and didn't know what else to do with them. We headed to my house and I was going to pack a few things and just get away from there. Not knowing what to do! Less than an hour later we were ready to go. I popped the hood to make sure my company was still under the hood, bailing wire and all was gone. Somehow in the broad daylight someone (thing) had removed them from under my hood. My truck had been locked and I was the only one with any keys. I can only remember feeling totally lost at this point. Where do you take this kind of stuff? I just wanted to know what they wanted from me? I wasn't a big drug dealer or anything that would bring on these extensive measures. I just kept on in my same lifestyle and tried to figure out what was going on. I didn't know what else to do. Everyone always called this stuff tweaking, not really happening except in the mind. Fear was at every turn. My mind accusing "who-ever" seemed to be around. Every time I pulled in my driveway at night my motion detector light always messed with me. Sometimes it would come on and let me get to the door and then go off. Other times it wouldn't come on till I was trying to get the key in the door. I could imagine someone across the road in the field really having a good laugh at my expense. I always felt like they were out in the woods around my house. When I would go look around my yard during the day I would find footprints, candy wrappers, and stuff. Strange considering that my nearest neighbor was approx. 1/10th of a mile north of me. I was being driven to try and CATCH whom ever it was doing this. It consumed me. One afternoon when my daughter and I were leaving the house to go shopping, she told me to look at her bedroom window screen (her window was about 5' up from the ground). It had dog paw prints all over it like it had been down on the ground and our dog Misty had walked on it and then it had been put back up on the window. One night I was closing the bar in Prague and was sitting down before I left and when I glanced at the phone the light was flashing that I had a message. It was my daughter asking when I was coming home. When I called home she said that she hadn't even called me. Everywhere I went the phone would ring and when I answered there wasn't anyone there. It was definitely driving me crazy so I had a private detective try and find out what was going on. I called him on a Saturday (at his home) to find out why he hadn't called to let me know what was going on. He told me that he had tried to call me at my home number (918 area code), the bar I had in Drumright (918), the bar I had in Prague (405), and everyone of them had the same recording, "that this line is temporarily disconnected." He suggested that I get out of there and that he didn't know what was going on. It scared him off. My daughter and I moved into town with my boyfriend Stan. I shut down the bars I had in Drumright and headed out of town for good. Those voices told me it was the people in Drumright that were after me. Not knowing "whatever it was" would keep following me. I pulled out of Drumright thinking that if I got out of there it would stop. (July 95) And it seemed like it worked, whatever was stalking me had stopped for a while. I had found another bar to operate in Chandler (about 30 miles NW) Chandler bar the same scenario. Robin showed up one day and asked for a deck of cards. I had never met her before. She began to flip them and tell me things that had happened in my life in the past, happening now, and things to come. I remember the hair on the back of my neck standing up and I knew something was really wrong. But I didn't know what I was letting in would take over my life. Of course satan knew my past, he had been instigating it all these years without me knowing it! She told me about me going into the military when I was young and the reason why I had went in. No one else knew any of these things about my past that she knew. She specifically detailed things in my boyfriend's house that I helping remodel and she told me that the things I thought he was doing were true. (I thought he was seeing someone else and lying to me about it.) I had an unreasonable jealous tendency. It had become overwhelming to me. Every emotional problem I have ever had become magnified. I was scared to leave him; somehow I knew that they would come back if I was alone again. I didn't know that my problem was ME. Then she started telling me about my future (I really have a hard time telling the rest of this). She told me that my dog was going to get ran over and I was going to have an abortion. I must have been looking at her funny because then she said to confirm it for me to concentrate on a subject. I had been worried about the income tax that I had filed the previous year that was being held by the IRS and I couldn't find out the reason why. My bookkeeper had contacted them and I was expecting a letter from them. I was worried that I was going to be audited. She said that I was expecting something in the mail and I would receive it in 5 days and that it wasn't what I thought it was. She left and I forgot all about it until a couple days later when the letter came. There had been a friend staying with me that had used my post office box number to file his income tax that made my claim to be invalid, so no audit. I was relieved and I didn't want to think about the rest of what she had said. Everything went downhill from the moment Robin came by that first time. I really don't think she even understood what was going on. I did end up pregnant and had an abortion. I do remember the suggestive voices that encouraged me to get an abortion. Even that I was going to die during it and deserved to. I actually woke -up disappointed because I was still alive. My daughter and I moved out to my parents till we could find a place. We had a Golden Retriever named Misty that decided one day to follow me as I left for work. She followed me out into the road and I pulled over to the edge of the dirt road and was telling her to get back to the house when I seen a truck coming over the hill and they ran over her and kept going. At this point it all came flooding back, everything had happened just like Robin had said it would. My mind was no longer my own. I started losing touch with reality. The place I use to rent came open and my Daughter and me moved back out there. (May 96 approx.) Funny things happened every day, like things being moved around, nuts and bolts in the floorboard of my car like it was being tampered with. Every time Robin came around it was to spread more garbage, more lies and I became more psych out and what ever it was in me became stronger. This was when all the doubts and torments began to make me pull away from everyone, every place, and quit doing anything at all but running and hiding. The suggestive voices that I was hearing brought on such fear that I could not function as a normal person any longer. Most of time I didn't even realize those voices I was hearing was not my own thoughts. At this time I became a full-fledged crankster. Nothing mattered but the dope and being around people who did it. I hated to be alone or to go to sleep. . One night as I sat out on my porch alone the stars started to move. I watched 5 of them; they would distinctly move. I couldn't believe it. I must have lain out on the porch all night watching them because next thing I remembered was the sun coming up and those 5 stars all gathered around the moon and then they disappeared. I would listen to the news hoping to hear that other people were seeing these strange occurrences too. The cars started following me again and the radar detector started going off again and the motion detector light stared the same stuff, but it didn‘t scare me like it used to. This time I was curious about what it all meant. My boyfriend MG and my friend Kerry that stayed with me were both cranksters. One night we were coming home from the bar in Chandler and was almost to my house when we were encompassed within a bright white light. It spread out the whole road over into the pasture. It was blinding and we were in it somehow. MG hit the brakes and we stopped to look at what it was. There was no sound whatsoever. Almost as soon as we stopped to look at it, it was gone. None of us even brought this up for a long time. Some nights we would walk around outside looking for whoever it was out there watching my house. One time I was in the house and walked outside in time to see Kerry running down the fence line with a flashlight. About the time she stopped, I seen something shine a flashlight back in her face. She turned and looked at me and asked if I had seen what had just happened. We were fascinated by the things that were happening and couldn't figure out what to do to make it stop! I so distrusted both of them; one of them had to know what was really going on. Always hearing those voices. One time I even heard the sound of a keyed mike like a Police radio sound from Kerry's bedroom. It also happened at a later time. It was about 3:00am one morning when Kerry and I went into town to the store. On the way there I ran over a big raccoon and I made the comment that I was glad it wasn't any of my relatives; my last name being Coon (ha ha). The next morning when I went out to get out in my car, there was a dead raccoon right by my car door like it had been put there? Someone that was with me when I ran over it had to be the one to do that!! WHY??? On night I had went to pick up MG from work and when we pulled in the drive at my house there was a fire in the back yard (just a intense concentrated flame burning and pieces of fire rolling up towards my house). I went in to check on my daughter and MG went to put out the fire. Erika was asleep and the fire was nothing more than a Field and Stream Magazine that someone had used the guts of a Zippo lighter to start it. I am pretty sure that the lighter had came from inside my house. I was afraid for my daughter's safety. I sent her to my Sister's house and gave them very little information about what was going on except that I was being followed and possibly still bugged. My sister told me about some strange vehicles coming down her road (very obvious because it's a secluded road). Of course I still thought it was PEOPLE! The nights became an obsession to me. The stars began to be moving a lot more and moving closer. One would come down and back up; then the next one would do the same. I spent most of my time watching them. I could be inside my house and look out my windows and one would drop down so I could see it. I would run across the house and look out and another one would do the same thing. It became entertaining to be outside and run and duck under a tree and see how long before one would drop down where I could see it. This was happening when MG was around too. Needless to say this all drove me to be reclusive. I couldn't explain what was happening and everyone I tried to tell thought I was going off the deep end or thought I was just kidding. I was in constant fear and had no idea where to find any answers. I got evicted from my house and moved to the apartment in the back of my bar in Chandler. (Sept 96) If there was ever a place that you could literally feel evil, it was there. Robin came back around to let me know that I needed to get rid of my friends, that they were going to get me busted. I tried to even keep them closer. Couldn't tell you why, but I guess I thought if I didn't actually think it would happen it would go away. At this point I sent my daughter to stay with her dad in Georgia. I couldn't deal with any part of real life at this point. I couldn't tell which way was up. Robin had stopped by again and I wanted to find out what she knew. This time I asked her what was going on around me. The only thing she said to me was that something really important was going on and that it started with an "M". When I questioned place, thing, or what, all she would say was that it started with a big "M". I finally closed the bar in Chandler down and just lived there (I didn't want anyone around). I stayed strung out. No matter how much crank I did I would still fall asleep and that's what I was trying to avoid. I felt things were happening to me while I was asleep. The apartment and the bar were built half way like a dock underneath for support over a pond. At different times I heard voices and laughing come from underneath. One morning when I woke up, there at the end of the bed was what appeared to be a handprint. It looked wet but it wouldn't dry, like it was an oily substance. MG stayed around and still was able to work; he worked swing shift. Most of the time I thought MG had to have something to do with all the crazy stuff happening or at least knew more than he was letting on. I was always accusing him and anyone who came around. One night I had had enough and decided we had to get out of there, still hoping that it would all quit. So MG and I went and stayed at a motel for a few days. We were trying to get cleaned up. We decided to get a small apartment in Shawnee and went to go pick-up some of our things from the bar apartment. When we had left a couple of days earlier I had packed in a hurry and had thrown a bunch of my clothes over a barstool in my room and left them there. The t-shirt that was on top I had never seen before and it had to have been put there while we were gone. The front of the shirt was a normal "no fear" shirt. But the back said, "for many are called, but few are chosen". The only thing I knew was that it meant something important, I didn't know what it meant, but I just knew it did. So I kept running hoping it would just go away. But it didn't, it kept following me and getting stranger and more far out there that I realized that it wasn't people doing this to me. At the apartment in Shawnee all I could do was sleep and I had really tormented dreams. MG couldn't understand it when I would tell him that they were still out there. I didn't understand what I meant. It was at this point I went to my parent's place and tried to stay clean. I was staying clean but all the crazy stuff was still happening. When I went outside at night to leave for work and the stars that followed me were still out there. They would follow me real close now. I would look away and try to ignore them. One of them followed me all the way to a Travis's house and when I pulled in his driveway he was standing outside looking up and asked me if that light had followed me there? I couldn't believe that he had seen it too. It wasn't long until I fell back in to the crank and caused major problems within my family and I couldn't explain to them what was happening to me it cause it wasn‘t making any sense to me. I had walked off from everything and gave up on a real life and lost it all during this time. I still had my problem following me. This time MG and I moved south to Seminole. (Jan 97). It was secluded area with a lot of black jack trees. One day in January when it was unseasonably warm I decided to go out and rake the yard. I bagged the leaves up I threw the bags off to the eastside of the house. There was no breeze blowing whatsoever, but at the southeast corner fence line there was a leaf devil circling around. I wouldn't have thought any more about except it started moving towards me coming up through the trees. I just stood there at the edge of the patio watching it maneuver up towards the patio. After a couple of seconds it was up on the edge of the patio 10' feet from me at stopped there, still spinning. I remember thinking to myself, "you don't scare me," and then it took off down the hill where I had thrown the bags of leaves and just dropped right there. MG and I were still seeing each other, but it was a messed up relationship of "on one day and off the next." Due to my obsessive distrust of everybody around me. Everyday something strange happened. One time I was taking MG up to Gail's with me and we were tag watchers due to the tailing that happened all the time. While we stopped a couple of miles from Gail's at a convenience store I seen a tag that was XXX045 and I cracked a joke that he wasn't a 007...Ha ha! As we left there to Gail's house I decided that I would have MG drive by my old house where I used to live and show him where I had grew up. Last time I had been by there the house was empty and had been gutted. This time it was restored and in the driveway there was parked a maroon mini-van with the license plate of XXX007. Real strange, it was another one of those things that I knew that meant something. After that I seen 007 license plates all the time. I put everything I owned in storage and moved up to OKC with my friend Gail. (Mar 97). One day I tried to tell her about the lights that followed me and she cracked a joke, "are you gonna tell me there is little green men in there?" I hadn't even considered that at all, I never considered the UFO stuff to be real anyway. I didn't even consider that that was what they were. I could believe that they were some kind of Government Conspiracy. You know, pick out the cranksters cause no one will believe them anyhow? So I never brought them up to her again. I did tell her that when I found out what was going on I would tell her. I was being driven; by I don't know what at this time, to find out what was going on, because I always knew it meant something important. I still didn't realize the voices in my mind were out to kill me. I can't tell you how many times I woke up driving down the road in the nick of time before I either hit a ditch, embankment or other vehicles. God intervened many times! All of the time I felt my friends was conspiring together against me. No matter what they said it was a lie. I was always trying to catch them in one too. Gail and I learned the "cooking crank trade". Way too easy, it seemed to be natural. Actually, I was the cook and Gail was the dealer. It suited me just fine because I stayed secluded most of the night. My friend Laura lived south of OKC in Newcastle and I spent time there with her cooking dope. They both thought I was a little crazy. Gail picked me up a pager so she could keep up with me cause I seemed to disappear all the time. When she told me the number I knew something was wrong, XXX-2666, it was my last name if you dial the numbers on the phone, COON. I never showed my Gail or Laura the lights. I tried to ignore them when I was out cause I wanted them to leave me alone, but they never went away. The cars still followed me and set off my radar detector but never more than a threat in my mind of upcoming disaster. Enough to keep me in constant fear. I went from OKC to Newcastle all the time and never really thought it took me very long. The drive should have only been 30-40 minutes top. A lot of times Laura would find me parked and asleep in her driveway in the morning when her boyfriend was heading off to work. That would be 5-6 hours after I had left Gail's house. I can't explain how many times that I know the Lord intervened in my behalf because I should have died from chemical poisoning during manufacturing meth and overdoses. The fear and the crank kept me moving and homeless and I found myself back in Prague living with a friend east of town on a ranch. I had contacted Robin after I had moved out to Prague and she kept stressing that they were going to bust me in that County that I was in. She said I needed to get out of there. (satan warning me again). I ignored her and stayed. I spent most of the time alone except when I drove to the city to see Gail or Laura. Friendships are real messed up with strung out people. People are listening to the demons telling them lies about anything and everything to cause discord. Everyone is out to get you busted and everyone is lying to each other. Always on the edge of "killing someone". I was really trying to make some sense out of the whole mess. I picked up one of Laura's old running friends (Sherry#1) and took her with me to Newcastle one evening. Around 1:00am she drove us back to her house in Meeker. I was too sleepy to drive cause I was coming clean off the crank. (Trying to anyhow). After Sherry stopped at her house I got over in the driver's seat and headed east to Prague. All that I remember is I was not able to drive very well, matter of fact, I thought at one time I was driving on a dirt road cause it was so bumpy. I vaguely remember driving through Prague, but I do remember looking out my rear view mirror and seeing headlights and thinking that I was fixing to get pulled over (busted). That fear again. Then I remember driving down a street and then I looked up and my car was driving on a winding dirt road through some trees. Then when I opened my eyes I was pulling up to a garage door and two guys were standing in front of my car, one at the right and one directly in front of me. The one in front of me was signaling for me to stop right there. You know the stop signal of the hand up and palm out? That was it, so I set my brake and rolled down my window and asked the one in front of me why didn't they open the garage door? The guy (?) on the right looked at the one in front of me and then I don't remember anything else until I woke up about dawn. My head was hanging out the window and it was misting lightly and I wasn‘t even cold. I knew something really strange had happened as I headed out of there not even knowing exactly where I was. As I came to the main road I realized where I was staying was only a couple miles east. When I got in the house I called Laura in Newcastle to tell her that I had just got in and what had happened to me. Sherry (#2), a friend that hung out with me once in a while. I had always known that there was something that she had I needed. I could not tell you what it was but I used to tell her that. One night I decided to show her the lights. I took Boyd's farm truck and we headed out to a secluded road to a high elevation area. As I looked up it was cloudy and it seemed like a scene right out of a horror movie. You know the rolling clouds? Something (voices) told me to tell her to shine the spotlight up and one of those lights would come down. Even to my amazement the clouds all just rolled back like a scroll and there was a full moon and those 5 stars were all around it. Sherry watched them through a pair of binoculars and the stars moved for her. They would take turns moving forward, change the pattern of the face, she said it looked similar to what an etch-a-sketch done. I was trying not to look at them but this was different than what I was used to. After a while Sherry asked me what I thought they were and I told her, "I didn't know." I just wanted them to leave me alone. As she was looking at them again through the binoculars she started telling me that they were evil and not to conform to what they represented. Then she threw the binoculars down and yelled that they had burned her eyes and her legs. They followed as we headed back to the ranch. After we went in Sherry was squinting her eyes against the inside light. Five minutes later I looked outside and it was fully overcast, like it had never happened. Funny thing happened after that, Sherry found her Bible and started telling me about Jesus. I told her about the license plates (007) and all the other things that were going on. She became obsessed with the lights and everywhere we went the 007 tags were there. Everybody we told about the lights began to see them too. I just wanted it all to go away.... Laura called one day to tell me that she had something in her attic and something in her house and they were running around her house trying to drive her crazy. (She had previously thought I was crazy when I had told her about the stuff I was seeing) But she had taken a 357 and put it to her head and pulled the trigger and missed and shot the wall. She knows that she should be dead right now. I went to see her and told her what I felt was happening. That those things were evil and I believed it meant something important was happening and I was trying to find out what it was. Now she was hearing the voices and being tormented. I was trying to get straight at this time and really wanted to get the answers to what was happening. I was living in the twilight zone and wanted out. During these last few years I had heard of others who were seeing the lights. One in Carney had been picked up by the Police for wandering through the ally yelling up to the sky, "beam me up". He was taken to be mentally evaluated. Another guy in Drumright had tried to kill himself with a shotgun. I decided to go and see my family and tell them what was going on and that I believed it meant something. After telling my sister Lisa, I wanted to show her the lights. I tried to get them to move and even shined a light up there to no avail. She told me that it was her understanding that people coming off of crank were apt to see illusions. This was what they teach the counselors in prison. (That's where she worked). In other words she didn't believe me. I was going to make a trip to Georgia to bring my daughter home for the holidays and after that I was going to admit myself into a treatment program. It didn't quiet work out like that. I needed money to make the trip to Georgia and Kerry was there when I was making one last cook (so I thought). I knew that something was going down. It was about 3:00am when I seen them coming up the driveway, about 15 police cars. Kerry had set me up. Off to jail I went and I had no bond. Other people with serious crimes like assault with deadly weapons had a bond. I guess the only thing the voices wanted me to fear was the one thing that saved my life, jail! I was still accusing everyone and distrusted all. I spent 10 months locked down in a 10'X10' cell. The first 8 months I was only let out for court. I had a bad attitude and was very vocal with my opinion. I was still bound up with distrust and anger. I was still very delusional and un-rational. The Lord had answered my cry for help. (Not exactly my choice of a treatment center.) I sought the Lord with all my heart. I wanted to know the "why's" of what had happened. On Friday nights a biker looking guy from a local church used to come by, his name was Pete (ex-hells angel). At first I didn't really want to talk to him. After I learned a basic knowledge of the Bible then I realized that all my answers to what I went through and more were in the Bible. With what little knowledge that I had I knew there was something missing. I was changing, but I knew there was something more I needed. I wrote Pete a letter to ask what it was. The following Friday he showed up and asked me if I was ready to make Jesus Lord of my life. I was definitely ready. He laid his hand on my head and led me in the sinner's prayer. I repented and asked the Lord to come into my heart. Pete was commanding that satan and his demons had to go and that I belonged to the Lord now. I felt a strange feeling deep in my stomach like a stirring of a thousand butterflies and I felt it physically come up out of me. Then came the flood of uncontrollable crying (good feeling). Then I felt overwhelming peace come in. I had been set free. Praise GOD! The Bible says in Mark 16:17, And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name they shall cast out devils.......I believe I'm proof of that, Jesus is still setting the captives free. I'm a prime example of satan doing everything possible to keep me from getting busted which in turn led to my salvation. I've been out of prison for almost 3 years, free from the fear and terror. I have a burden to help those who are still suffering in the drug world. Those who still don't know that the things they are seeing and experiencing are of another dimension (demonic). The world doesn't know how to treat the drug epidemic it is much bigger than just a bad habit, it is one of satan‘s areas of expertise. I've seen many drug users go through one drug rehabilitation after another and come out un-changed. There is no cure through the world, only through Jesus can this battle be won. I know that that we are to comfort others as God has comforted us. (2 Corinthians 1:3,4). That is where my calling and my life are directed now. Combination of crank and witchcraft is the BIG doorway for demons. Like me, most people are unaware of satan's devices. Hosea 4:6, My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge....... It has become more apparent that this is all part of the grand finale that satan is using in these last days. Most people right now in our society have no fear of spirit guides, fortunetellers, horoscopes, Harry Potter, magic shows and the like. For they have been harmless during the conditioning period that satan has been setting everyone up for. Since Jesus ascended, we haven't heard of so much demon activity as we see again just prior to His return. Yes, I believe there is a tie in; Deut. 18:9-14 9When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. 10Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritualist or who consults the dead. 12Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. 13You must be blameless before the LORD your God. As I look back I realize the evil that is available by mere words that evoked supernatural things to happen to others around me to create "a fear of me" in them. This is pure "EVIL" at work. I don't know "why" satan was so determined to take me out, but the Lord had other plans. Through the whole time of my ordeal, I knew something beyond what I could understand was going on. People are dying and no one understands what they are seeing and experiencing. Even in my ignorance about God, all of this drew me to want to know the truth. I believe the Lord is raising up a people for this time and has allowed us to see the deception coming so we will sound the alarm. Joel 2:1 Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand- All this demonic activity does mean something, Jesus is coming soon! Am I to keep this quiet? I don't think so!!! In Christ, Karen

:inlove: I have to say one thing here! I was raised unchurched, ended up locked down in jail with a Holy Bible. I believe God's word over any Church doctrine. I believed HIS WORD front to back. I have been healed, delivered, set free, and am a new person in CHRIST. I did not come out of prison a Catholic, Methodist, Baptist. I came out a follower of Christ! Believing, trusting the Lord to put me where I belonged, working out my salvation with fear and trembling, pointing others toward Jesus. If your Church does not adhere to WHAT JESUS done, you are missing out on blessings of the LORD!!! It was not a Church doctrine that healed me, mind body and soul, it was HIS WORD, the HOLY BIBLE!!! What other proof does anyone need. It IS POWER to do the same thing Jesus done... What do you need any thing else for.....???? Just what I have experienced.In CHRIST, Karen

Faith is the key you are missing.. Without it you will constantly refuse to understand. Human reasoning will never get it! I will pray for you in this reguard. Read 1 Cor.1:24-31. Pray for a measure of faith, for the blinders to be removed with out your presupposed ideas and the Lord WILL OPEN YOUR EYES!!! You have to desire the truth... In Christ, Karen

The Mystery of the Fallen Angels by Gary Stearman "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison" (I Peter 3:18,19). Myths, legends and modern stories all testify that upon this earth, there were once powerful and evil superhuman beings who took great pleasure in tormenting mankind. They were the old gods of tradition and folklore, Zeus, Apollo and their ilk. Were they merely figments of human imagination, or were they real? Are these the entities the Bible identifies as fallen angels? Many Christians do not want to believe that these demigods of old were real. With the development of the early church, pagan deities faded into the forgotten pages of folklore. Yet the Bible refers to "sons of God," "fallen angels," and other demonic creatures who once tried to subvert humanity. They perfectly fit the description of the old demigods. Perhaps they were real, and are now either locked up or restrained. Will these fallen angels return? The Bible says that in the tumultuous days of the Tribulation Period, they will return. The common belief is that early humanity concocted these ancient myths to satisfy their desire for something to worship. But in the last few centuries, society has matured. There is, therefore, no longer the need for a belief in the existence of ancient gods. They have been allowed to slip back into the recesses of the cultural mind. By implication, such belief systems are weak-minded. Today's secular man confidently believes that he no longer needs these religious crutches. This explanation of ancient history speaks not so much of the power of some ancient gods, as it does of the unintelligent state of primitive man. In so doing, it supports the idea that mankind has evolved from the simple to the complex. This is the core concept of modern evolutionary theory. In short, it is now believed that these once powerful and evil demigods - the subjects of ancient pagan ritual - were only the figments of an impoverished ancient man's imagination. They were born in the dark nights of his caves and campfires, wherein lurked predatory beasts and nocturnal superstitions. The Serpent and His Followers But the Bible refutes this idea in at least two major ways. First, it tells us that man was created perfect, both in physique and intelligence. He had a perfect knowledge of God, even to the point of open fellowship with Him. He was devoid of superstition. Secondly, the Bible tells us that this perfect world was corrupted from without by a sinister character, whom God allowed to intrude upon the first innocent couple. He and his assemblage were far from imaginary. Together, they projected the power of the serpent. Ancient religions are rife with stories about a beautiful flying serpent. They are the Chinese dragon, the Central American Quetzelcoatl, the American Indian serpent gods, the feathered serpent, etc. The trail of the serpent can be traced through the Scriptures. Lucifer, with his various appearances as the devil and Satan, wages a continual fight against the Kingdom of Heaven. Furthermore, he has several levels of underlings who are deeply committed to his doctrine of rebellion. Many of them are now in the deepest kind of spiritual prison, there to await judgment. Others, along with Satan himself, are free to roam the earth, bent upon the dreary task of trying to overthrow the work of God. They are, of course, doomed to failure. But there is more of the saga to be played out before their story concludes in a plunge to the dreaded lake of fire. Once a Cherub Satan, their leader, was once a high - perhaps the highest - of all the angels. He held a holy and vaunted heavenly position: the office of cherub. "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" (Ezekiel 28:12-15). Presented here as the spiritual power behind the earthly Tyrian dynasty, Satan is sadly recalled from the days before his fall as the summation of God's creation. What a statement! In His infinite strength and perfection, God made Lucifer a perfect being. Imagine the result: a wise and handsome creature of such beauty and perfection that our minds falter in the attempt to relate him to anything we now know. He was apparently clad in - perhaps formed of - precious stones. And in some way that is beyond our knowing, he was built with the ability to create beautiful music wherever he went. He was his own orchestra! His domain was the very throne room of God, apparently situated upon the mountain of God, the seat of His power. The old dragon walked among the stones of fire. From the context, we gather that they are in the intimate inner circle of God's projected power and authority. He was a close colleague and confidante who shared the very thoughts and decrees of God. He was tightly woven into the very personality of the Godhead. God must have created him for companionship, intimate discourse and the joy of exalted service in the holy inner circle of creation. Furthermore, this was not slave labor. Lucifer was no mere robot. He had a mind and free will, demonstrated by the fact that he was later able to commit iniquity. He chose to rebel and willingly followed through on the wrong choice. Said in another way, he broke a holy contract with God by committing a lawless act, which could not have happened had he been enslaved without the will to commit the sin. He assessed God's power and compared it with his own. "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High" (Isaiah 14:12-14). From this famous discourse, it is obvious that Earth was Lucifer's original domain. Since his rebellion is centered around an ascent to heaven, it appears that his original rule was physical. It involved the earth and its environs. The "stars of God" may refer to the holy angels who constituted God's congregation. Apparently, he reasoned that he was perfectly capable of running things. Perhaps he even thought that heaven would be a better place with him in control. Blinded by his own ego, he badly miscalculated his effect in the universe. He lost his objectivity in a misguided grab for power. Above all, he committed his crime as an anointed cherub. He must have believed he had the right to perpetrate his evil deed. The meaning of the word "cherub" - title of a high office - has been blurred over the ages. In particular, during the medieval era and years that followed, cherubs came to be pictured as pudgy little babies with tiny wings. Flitting through the halcyon scenes of renaissance artists, they came to symbolize innocent bliss in the kingdom of God. But in antiquity, cherubs were considered beings of utmost power, closely associated with God's authority. Their physical appearance is unknown. Ezekiel saw them, but displayed a distinct inability to adequately describe them. He described their wings and their faces (lion, ox, eagle and man), but used terms such as "likeness" and "form," indicating that he really couldn't come up with definitive language to express what he really saw. The cherubim were God's very dwelling place. In many Old Testament Scriptures, as well as here, in II Samuel 6:2, they are mentioned in this way: "And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims." Here, upon the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant, they stood as a miniature representation of God's heavenly throne. Other than the fact that they are said to have wings, their appearance is unknown. Some have said that they were sphinx-like in appearance, with winged lion's bodies and human faces, but that is pure conjecture. Even Flavius Josephus, writing in the first century, noted that no one knew what they really looked like. If their appearance was ever fully known, it had been forgotten. However, one thing is certain. They function as God's watchful guardians and special agents. Given their trusted position, this makes Lucifer's fall especially ironic. The defection of a trusted associate is the highest of crimes. In Revelation, they are depicted in much the same way as Ezekiel saw them, with the exception of their multiple faces. Here, they each have but a single face. "And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. "And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come" (Revelation 4:7,8). These "beasts," or "living creatures" are the cherubim, four in number, of which, it seems, Lucifer must have once been numbered. Both here and in Ezekiel, the number four is specific. Four of them surround God's throne, emblematic of His Kingdom. Full of eyes, they are also called "watchers" and "holy ones." (See Daniel 4:13,23). Theirs is the high calling of surrounding God's throne and doing His special bidding. Once, there were five of them. The fifth was called, "

:lightbulb: Anybody out there??? In Christ, Karen

:inlove: We all know that it is our "flesh nature" we battle on the personal level. How about the next level, taking the Kingdom by force???? Anyone making it beyond their own flesh? I believe once we get the importance of "getting over ourselves", then we can be about the Masters business. Praying down strongholds, binding the enemy, planting seeds, watering, and praying to the Lord of thre harvest!!! :thumb: That's where we need to be.... In Christ, Karen

I thought this was a pretty good article. For one reason, when I was being tormented one of the manifestations was by wandering stars following me. The verse in Jude has always bore witness to me about it being fallen angels. There is others that this is NOW happening to. Others attempted suicide, some are mental institutions. It's time we quit being "politically correct" and put forth the real Word of the Lord. A Warning From Jude So what is the book of Jude about? The purpose of it's writing? "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:3-4 (KJV) The message is clear. Contend for the faith because evil men have crept into the fold. So who are these men? "Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves." Jude 1:8-10 (KJV) They are beasts. Notice what is says in the Strong's concordance for the word beasts. 2226 zoon (dzo'-on); neuter of a derivative of 2198; a live thing, i.e. an animal: KJV-- beast. It is in the neuter meaning a living "thing" "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core." Jude 1:11 (KJV) Here we see they went after witchcraft. So again, who are these men that have crept into the Church? "These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots." Jude 1:12 (KJV) We see here that they are twice dead meaning that there is no salvation for these men. All the preaching in the world will never bring these men to salvation. They are... "Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever." Jude 1:13 (KJV) There is the first clue. They are wandering stars. The Bible calls the angels of heaven stars. "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:(KJV) These stars are different because they have wandered away "to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever." Well where did they wander to? "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Gen 6:4 (KJV) "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." Jude 1:6(KJV) It is clear that these angels wandered to the earth to partake in the pleasures of women having the lusts of men. The angels that fell from heaven after the flood, were cast into chains of darkness forever. But that is not the end of the story. Notice in Genesis that "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men." After the flood even more angels came down from heaven to partake of the lusts of the world. My conclusion is that some so called men of God have infiltrated the Church and are none other than fallen angels posing as brethren to spread doctrines of demons. "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils." 1 Tim 4:1 (KJV) Now you may be thinking, "Hey, that is so silly. This whole idea of fallen angels corrupting the churches from within is not Biblical at all." Really? "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears." Acts 20:29-31 (KJV) Notice the word "also." This indicates two separate groups of evil men. One are the wolves, and the others are men among us. With tears in his eyes Paul warned the flock of these angels posing as men corrupting the body of Christ! He also warned that these angel/men are damned forever. "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Gal 1:8-9 (KJV) I have to wonder if the reason why Paul says the statement twice, is because he is referring to those who are twice dead in the book of Jude. Yes this is the same warning found in the book of Jude. Jude says that Enoch prophesied of these men by saying, "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone." Jude 1:14 (NIV) The warning here is that they will be punished at the time of the Second Coming. Note too that is says that Enoch prophesied about these men. If you you have ever read the book of Enoch, you will find that the entire book is about the fallen angels. This is proof that the "men" of Jude were none other than fallen angels spreading doctrines of devils. Here is another strong warning from Paul. "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." 2 Cor 11:13-15 (KJV) Here we are warned that ministers of of satan have transformed themselves into false prophets of Christ. There is a strong allusion to the fact that the angels of satan have transformed themselves into flesh to become leaders of the faith. We know that there were twelve Apostles, so could this also mean that they were taking on the image of the Apostles? Were they pretending to actually be the Apostles themselves leading the flock astray? "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand." II Th 2:1-2 Were the fallen angels posing as the Apostles writing letters? Could it be that there is a fifth column of angels in the churches of today, who will suddenly come forward after the Rapture of the Church to help the antichrist explain it all away? Could it be that there are even Pastors who are fallen angels that will suddenly begin to lead their flock into a New Age of Lucifierian Light after we are gone? This is something very serious to think about. Is your Church preaching the Gospel from the Bible or from the pulpit? Remember you have been warned from the book of JUDE. In Christ, Karen

WFC~I knew the Lord was calling me before I knew the LORD. If that makes sense to anyone??? That was what I was telling all my drugie friends, "I was gonna find out what was going on"! In my spirit I believed that it was a calling of these last days. Anyone else have this deep awareness besides me??? In Christ, Karen

Thank you Pastor Jerry! I believe the Lord is raising up dead bones! The Ladies at my Church have held together their outreach programs and get togethers that bless and edify the church and community. The men do their golfing, domino, hunting expeditions and other set programs. But I have always known that I was going to the Prison House and Drug Addicts. I don't FIT the "status quo", but I am NEEDED for the highway and the hedge people! AMEN! The people my church couldn't reach, not for a lack of heart, but of a similar situation (common ground). They could't say to these lost and hurting people "I know what you're going through", it's important they "SEE what the LORD can DO"! For the initial Word I heard of the Lord was through another strung out junkie...seed planted. Went to jail, read the Word, watered. Volunteer (ex-hell's angel biker guy) from a local Church led me in the sinners prayer, demons left, God gave the increase. Raised me from the dead. Glory to GOD! In Christ, Karen :inlove: