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"Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience." Col;3;5,6 Paul says these kind of things can bring the wrath of God on on believers as well as the sons of disobediece.

Here we see two kinds of people whom God made.The one group made to show His power and wrath while the other to show his mercy. "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory-- even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? " Romans ;9;21-25

Anyone can explain who is the king coming with 20000 ?

"Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace.In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out. "He who has ears to hear, let him hear." Luke;14;30-35 This passage speaks about the danger of Okkey Dokkey discipleship. Anyone knows to explain this passage better ?

Many believers are waiting for the Lord's coming not preaparing themselves for this event.They ignore their election and duties God gave them.But the devil turn their attention into so many other things.

How Many Time Jesus Showed Up In The Last 2000 Years ? For this-"The master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."Mathew;24;50,51 This is what the evil servant is doing-He begins to eat and drink and beat his fellow servants. "But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards." Mathew;24;50 There are other times when the Lord shows up like this.In the book of Revelation we read; "Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth."Revelation;2:16,17 And also ; "Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you."Revelation;3;3

As in the OT when God gave the law God puts life and death in front of all poples.That is the message of repentance. Jesus said; "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." Luke ;13;5 Repentance saves from wrath and death.Even the churches are often asked to go through repentace to survive. There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answered and said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." Luke;13;1-5 After presenting the Law Moses told the Israelites;"' I put before you this day life and death." Jesus began his ministry preaching;"Repent for the kingdom of God is near." Mark;1 So as we preach Jesus and the cross the message of repentace with a warning has to be presented.

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How important is it when you notice words like quickly ,soon etc in the scriptures?How many readers really give attention to those words when they are used in the Bible and understand these scriptures are of urgent nature ?These are the adverbs the Lord added to his sayings so it got its value Here are some examples; "Repent, or else I will come to you QUICKLY and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth. ."Revelation;2;16 "And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and QUICKLY. " Luke;18;7.8 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned ALREADY because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." John;3;18 "The ax is ALREADY at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire." Mathew;3;10 "Behold, I am coming SOON! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done." Revelation;3;12 " Do not fret because of evildoers, Nor be envious of the workers of iniquity. For they shall SOON be cut down like the grass, And wither as the green herb." Psalm;37;1,2

"For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?" 1 Peter ;4;17 This is very tragic,but true.When God sends judgment he starts it with the people of God.When God brought judgment on Jerusalem he first began it in the temple in Jerusalem.He started it with the elders of the people and the priests.This is what Peter talks here about. Now "If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?"1 Peter ;2;18 When tragedies happen to God's people - who live very godly pleasing Him, it is very hard to understand. Sometimes it comes in the form of judgment as a lesson to others.But if God treats his servants and people severely how can sinners and the ungodly escape?Anyone thinks this way ?

Huh? "I am the most ignorant of men; I do not have a man's understanding. I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the Holy One."Proverbs;30;1,2

"Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. " Mathew;13;13 There were people like that in the OT.There are people in the church who have lost hearing abilty. You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21 To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." Revelation;3:17

The Spirit speaks these things to churches-the message of repentance,saying "He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place--unless you repent." Revelation;2;5 "Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth" Revelation;"2;16 "And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works." Revelation;2;21-23 "Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you"Revelation;3; "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.' Rev;3;16 These are the warnings to the churches.These warnings are for those who have ears.I watch all the people who go to churches have ears.But the scripture talks about people who have ears but do not hear.Those who heed are the lucky ones

I can see where you're coming from. Trying to scientifically 'prove' God is impossible. However, tools like apologetics, creationalism vs evolution debates, and other scientific questions can be used as a powerful tool for Christ. The Bible should not be checked with a science book-- a science book should be checked with the Bible. I know many people on Worthy (including myself) who are active on the Apologetics and Faith vs Science boards, and doing a great work for Christ by helping hard-core evolutionists see that the Bible isn't a load of bunk like some people think. So you think God didn't exist before there was a subject called science?How did God start making himself known through the Gospel? Did He give the apolstles science lessons?If Jesus taught science three months the whole world could have been convinced of the existence of God beyond any doubt even in the first century. But he didn't do that.If you want to waste your time you can try . "O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen" 1 Tim 6;21 Since you don't want to pursue the discussion, I don't plan to perpetuate it. However, there is one particular verse in Proverbs that helps me: "Only simpletons believe everything they are told! The prudent carefully consider their steps." -Proverbs 14:15 Bottom line... faith comes first, then you can use science to back up your faith. Not the other way around. God stresses faith TONS in the Bible. When I dig into scientific evidence that only cements my already-existing faith in God, it really makes me appreciate His glory all the more! If that content helps an atheist (can't spell. ) come to Jesus, I'm all for it. God bless. Akiko I don't feel super smart as you do.I told my rasons.After reading all those books there are no more atheists or evolutionists in the world !

Jesus and Paul glorified God more than anyone else in their lifetime through their ministry ,Yet without the help of sceince. They were full of the power of God.Aren't you talking about the same Paul who said this ; -"O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen" 1 Tim 6;21 So when Paul says in Romans 1 that even by looking at nature we can see that God exists, he's wrong? When Jesus appeals to nature in order to make a point about God, He's wrong? What about in Job where God uses Job's observations of nature (science) to prove His power? Do you have any scripture...or are you just babbling? That's a rhetorical question...we all know you're just babbling. So you tell the atheists "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge." Psalm;19;1 ,They are going to approve it right away?It was not to prove his existence God spoke to Job.Job already believed in God.God was trying to increase Job's knowledge of God by speaking to him all those things.Tell the atheists those same things.Are they going to respond like Job did at the end-Saying," Ok God now I believe." "Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" 1 Cor ;1;20 I can see us going round and round here, but before we do -- do you have a point to make here, or are you just talking? Exactly why do you have a problem with people using science as a means of communicating about God? Did I say I have a problem people using science as a means of communicating about God?Nay.If anyone is using science or any other source to glorify God that is good.I said God sent pople preach faith.Not to teach science.You have a problem with that? "Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" 1 Cor ;1;20 Yes, actually. It seems to me that's precisely what you -have- been saying. Apothanein, myself and others have pointed out how Christians are using science to glorify God, and you've been arguing. If you don't have a problem with it, stop arguing about it. Ok if you guys do that i would like to thank God for you.I Ok bye .I don;t want to keep on this discusssion. God bless you

yeah ,I would like to learn that tenchnique as well "Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" 1 Cor ;1;20

Jesus and Paul glorified God more than anyone else in their lifetime through their ministry ,Yet without the help of sceince. They were full of the power of God.Aren't you talking about the same Paul who said this ; -"O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen" 1 Tim 6;21 So when Paul says in Romans 1 that even by looking at nature we can see that God exists, he's wrong? When Jesus appeals to nature in order to make a point about God, He's wrong? What about in Job where God uses Job's observations of nature (science) to prove His power? Do you have any scripture...or are you just babbling? That's a rhetorical question...we all know you're just babbling. So you tell the atheists "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge." Psalm;19;1 ,They are going to approve it right away?It was not to prove his existence God spoke to Job.Job already believed in God.God was trying to increase Job's knowledge of God by speaking to him all those things.Tell the atheists those same things.Are they going to respond like Job did at the end-Saying," Ok God now I believe." "Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" 1 Cor ;1;20 I can see us going round and round here, but before we do -- do you have a point to make here, or are you just talking? Exactly why do you have a problem with people using science as a means of communicating about God? Did I say I have a problem people using science as a means of communicating about God?Nay.If anyone is using science or any other source to glorify God that is good.I said God sent pople preach faith.Not to teach science.You have a problem with that? "Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" 1 Cor ;1;20

Jesus and Paul glorified God more than anyone else in their lifetime through their ministry ,Yet without the help of sceince. They were full of the power of God.Aren't you talking about the same Paul who said this ; -"O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen" 1 Tim 6;21 So when Paul says in Romans 1 that even by looking at nature we can see that God exists, he's wrong? When Jesus appeals to nature in order to make a point about God, He's wrong? What about in Job where God uses Job's observations of nature (science) to prove His power? Do you have any scripture...or are you just babbling? That's a rhetorical question...we all know you're just babbling. So you tell the atheists "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge." Psalm;19;1 ,They are going to approve it right away?It was not to prove his existence God spoke to Job.Job already believed in God.God was trying to increase Job's knowledge of God by speaking to him all those things.Tell the atheists those same things.Are they going to respond like Job did at the end-Saying," Ok God now I believe." "Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" 1 Cor ;1;20

Jesus and Paul glorified God more than anyone else in their lifetime through their ministry ,Yet without the help of sceince. They were full of the power of God.Aren't you talking about the same Paul who said this ; -"O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen" 1 Tim 6;21

By the way, I hope you aren't trying to advocate ignorance, foolishness or stupidity. The way you're using those verses, it's as if you're trying to imply God wants a bunch of idiots. Hey No ! " Do not answer a fool according to his folly." Proverbs

I didn't say that brother.How can you prove the existence of God through the computer?You sure can preach the gospel using the computer.Science is not against God and God is not against science.But it is very very hard to convince an atheist or evolutionist using scientific theories to prove God unless and until God opens their understanding by giving them faith.

I can see where you're coming from. Trying to scientifically 'prove' God is impossible. However, tools like apologetics, creationalism vs evolution debates, and other scientific questions can be used as a powerful tool for Christ. The Bible should not be checked with a science book-- a science book should be checked with the Bible. I know many people on Worthy (including myself) who are active on the Apologetics and Faith vs Science boards, and doing a great work for Christ by helping hard-core evolutionists see that the Bible isn't a load of bunk like some people think. So you think God didn't exist before there was a subject called science?How did God start making himself known through the Gospel? Did He give the apolstles science lessons?If Jesus taught science three months the whole world could have been convinced of the existence of God beyond any doubt even in the first century. But he didn't do that.If you want to waste your time you can try . "O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen" 1 Tim 6;21

God is not looking for scientists to prove his existence or to teach creationism.That is not the way it works. This is what God does."But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence." 1 Corinthians;1-29-29 When God sent Jesus Christ as a teacher he did not teach science. Jesus Christ came to do the things science cannot.To raise the dead .To give eternal life.To save the mankind from sin and condemnation and hell and all that. After two thousand years no scientists could do the works Jesus did.Walking on water,turning water into wine,raising the dead,etc,etc Finally he was taken up into heaven against the law of gravitation."There is no wisdon nor understanding nor counsel against the Lord " Proverbs; St:Paul says;"For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe." 1 Corinthians;1;21

That is the duty of every true believer to make sure His Name and His words are exalted above all things. -That nothing is exalted above these two .

The two most powerful things in the universe are the Name of the Lord Jesus and His words.It really took many years for me to understand the meaning of this Scripture." For you have exalted above all things your Name and your Word." Psalm;138;2 The Name is powerful because He is powerful.His words are powerful because Jesus is powerful.So God always moves in this direction to see this statement is true. -That all things go according to the words he spoke-As He planned Now God is interested in more than anything else to see this statement is true.He works out everything in this direction to make sure that His Name and His words are exalted above all things. "No one is like you, O Lord; you are great, and your name is mighty in power." Jeremiah;10;6