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elevation to the cloud on which is Son of Man is just metaphore for spiritual ressurection, when people with Holy Siprit will be @ the sam level, above spirit of those " who'll stay below " Phisycally they'll all end up here on the grounds of New Jerusalem. That's rapture, only the most important thing that can happen' to a man. That's when your lucky number will be called. Either you have it or you don't, if you don't, then meaning of your life is identical to one of someone, who was never born.

I guess sarcasm is pointed towards me, and all I can say is, " You need to read better, because, I have said that those emotions powered by fear ( because fear is base of huge number of emotions ) define Satan. I did not say evil emotions. I am happily married with two kids. If that is something that supposed to represent problem, you've pictured wrong guy.

In Matthew 24, Jesus was talking to His disciples, and, I can't possibly be 100% sure, but, don't think that any of them was Gay . much love !

He was speaking to disciples about His people that are going to speak in His name in the " last days ", just before His second coming. Matthew 24:3 disciples to Jesus " .. Tell us, when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age. " Those disciples died 1900 years ago, and He is coming now. Continued reading of chapter 24, is showing everything that is happening these days. God bless. - Peter

Genesis 2:25 " The man and his wife were both naked and they felt no shame. " This is contrary to what ? Genesis 3:7 " Then ( after both of them ate from The tree ) the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked, so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. " eyes getting open, and FEAR, as #1 emotion is kicking in Can you be so kind and find Us a verse proving emotion ( other than Love ) in Adam, before Sin ? Here's another one that prooves that Adam did not have fear before " His eyes were open " Gen. 3:10 " He answered ( Adam ), I heard you in the garden, and I was AFRAID because I was naked, so I hid . " Adam have disobeyed God, and steped on the side of Satan, anger, rage, envy, fear, and all other emotions powered by fear define Satan, not God . God is Love. 100 % " he did not have the eternal life of God " ?? In Genesis 2:9 " ...... In the midle of the Garden were tree of life*, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. " and then Genesis 2:16,17. If He was already mortal what sense would make God's commandement " ..... don't eat of it or you'll surely die. " * what does free use of this tree mean to you ? He didn't, but Man has created Robots devoid of emotion, for Him, in His Name. He created Adam, who didn't know nothing but Love, jus like His Creator. Does robots have Love too ? I gave you scripture, now, it would be nice if you show us where was Fear before fall ? much respect !

I didn't call you anything, you called me Confused, remember. Bottom line is who cares what people say about you, Your opinion is the one that matters. Or maybe that is just my opinion. much respect !

In Matthew 24 and Luke 21, Jesus gave signs of His second coming. Signs about those very days, not thousans years before it happen'. My question is who are His People that are" persecuted, imprisoned, killed , and hated by all Nations because of unconditional love for The Lord " ? Where in the world today, such an Law or even mood exist ? much love truth and time ! Peter

Our Lord Jesus did not have Torah under His arm, when answering questions from Pharisees, and yet His logic has overpowered their believes. Your belief is that Love is an attribute of God, and I know that God is Love in His pure perfection. God, as you have noticed yourself, is eternal, in eternity nothing is changing, including circumstances, do you really need scriptures to understand that. I have started this Topic as idea to discuss meaning of Joel's Prophecy with people that love and know the truth. Every prophecy is word of God about what is going to happen', in God's dimension everything have already happened, in Our, we did not get there yet. We see changes, not God, He have created them. Our Lives are written, lived and " judged ", before we were born, and it is only Us who see changes in Our lives as God's respond. And like our Perfect Heavenly Father He can only Love His Children. Anger, hate, shame are not atributes of perfection in any sense. Anger can not be a Judgement, anger can bring wrong judgement and God is perfect. According to Genesis, Sin was our choice, Prize for sin is death. After our first parents, we are all sinners by default ( birth ). All of the people born are going to die, because inescapable sin. There is only one life. Changing circumstances require Time, that does not exist in Eternity, and can not be part of eternity. Part of that " never changing Divine God's Character " is Love Note that says : " Don't gain knowledge of Good and Evil, or you will Die " , from what I see coming out of your words, you got that Knowledge " in your Pocket " , and If you don't mind, I would love to stay " Confused " much time and love ! Peter

All I am saying is that, in the brokenness of our world, God's reality have aprearance of almighty creator having emotions. Reality is, that God is still in process of creating, as someone here mentioned, we are in late afternoon of the sixt day. Creator in His Divine Perfection can not have nothing but Love while creating the World He is about to join and live forever with His " Bride " For me personaly, God is my soul and my spirit, every choice I've made was His, same goes for the future. And I love every second of my life, because my life is Love. Angry and sad are not attributes of Perfection, only love is.

It's like this, (for instance) You driving Ford for 20 years, for you Ford means Everything, and it is best vehicle for your needs. Then I come, and I tell you, 'Ovedya', Honda is the best automobile "for the buck" because it is faster, better handling, better gas mileage, cheaper maintenance, and keeps much better value than Ford. I did not say, Ford is garbage, or, you must buy Honda, if you don't you're crazy. I respect your opinion and do not want you to change your mind. It is absolutely same pattern with the word. I've expressed what I feel, and you did " pick it up ", obviously, because trying very hard to explain how wrong I am. 1. What Human emotion did Adam have before He fell in Sin ? 2. What Human emotion did God display while creating everything ? 3. What Human emotion did Eve have before she Fell in sin ? these are my answers : 1. none 2. none 3. Belief Adam was created Eternal, without chance of being fruitfull and in "multiplying mode", as eternal counterpart of Christ. He did not feel shame or fear, or any other Emotion. God's Image and likeness was about Eternal Adam, and Eternal Adam only. Not Adam whose Love to a Woman defeated God's Love. Eve in the other hand must of have Belief that God was lying, otherwise she wouldn't mess with " Tree of knovledge of Good and Evil " We are all Sinners, thanks to Adam and Eve, Is God Sinner too, Is He responsible for Sin ? What you doing is comparing God with Fallen Man, it sounds like we created God upon our Likeness. What Bible tells me is that people who wrote it believed in Emotional God. No, all you need to do is enjoy Life, while you still can

That is way I have started this post, about Holy Spirit that somehow caused confusion in Simon when declaring Joels Prophecy as prediction about Disciples. I can Agree that John's Revelation is Prophetic, but the fact is that John is dead, and Joel speaks about Living sons and daughters, that prophecy, not the words from the book. Simon also died never knowing why was His name changed into Peter, which was IMO the Only reason of His Pentecost Day "Confusion" For some people here, Promise given through Jesus by His Father, to Peter ( not Simon ) that " I will give YOU the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever YOU bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven, and whatever YOU loose on Erth will be loosed in Heaven " do not mean Absolutely nothing. much respect !

You see, the same way, my words creating emotional reaction in you, which is not my intention. Why do I feel that everything that came out of Jesus was Love ( which in some cases had appearance of human emotion ) even when talking inpatiently with His mother, I can't explain. Jesus and Peter in separate ocasions ( which I am not sure exactly where in bible) have killed with their words, which did not make them murderers. If you and me have different view, or belief, or feeling, does not mean we should hate eachother. Every emotion have beginning and the end, which is measured by time. Like, something makes you angry, for couple hours, and then you get over it. Or happines about gift you got for your birthday, lasts couple days, and then simply fades away. That is why in Eternity the only dimension is Love, you love forever. That is why when people think about Flood and Noah, they say God was Angry, which is Impossible, in that case God would be Angry forever Matthew 23:37-40, Everything that used to be " Don't do this, or that " He turned into Love. there is no Man on this Planet that Love His Neighbour as He loves himself. There is no Person ever lived that did not broke that commandement, that is why No one is not " coming back " In your case, I am not asking you to love me, or even to like me, just let me be, let me feel what I feel, and there you are. much love !

Jesus was Son of God, because of His words, not His flesh. His words were written by disciples, and those words are the truth 100%. That is why He was God, one with the Father, in Spirit. If you believe that, than you don't know the truth I can try to explain to you why I feel , instead of believe. Because I use Language that is 2000 years newer than language used in Jerusalem. " I feel " is sort of speak Improved version of " I believe ", because is powered by truth. For instance, people believe in Phisycal ressurection, which is as of right now - lie, that's why am I not " feeling " that. That is why all those verses are truth, because nobody never knew Jesus, they only believed they did. Nobody so far did not get everlasting life, because words of Jesus are truth. He had to die, to fullfil the prophecy about Him being Messiah, in order for you and me to have this conversation. The way He came and the Way He left is something that No one have Answer to, including myself. He was born as any other baby, grew up to age 33 and then..... with that human body He flew to " Heaven " been there 2000 years, and now will come down flying on the cloud back to earth. I am not feeling that, but you my friend, feel free to believe in that. Call it whatever you want, it is Judging, which is flat out not your "business". And try not to tell me what to do, because I am not telling you what to do much love !

Cold does not exist as source, it is absence of heat, Darkness does not exist as source, it is absence of light. Everything in life we feel as Love or lack of love. There is only one God ( Spirit ), and it is Love, the only eternal dimension. Emotions are the way we feel in mortal flesh, something that ( according to Genesis ) our first parents felt after failing to obey the only commandment - " Don't gain knowledge of good and evil " The Lord Jesus is Love, His commendments are to Love, I do not see any emotions in Jesus, if you do, let's leave it there. Holy Father has emotions too ?? Holy Father do not have beginning or end, which is requirement for Emotions, time. Holy Father is Son and Spirit, and they are Love ( true love, not human emotion) I feel God as Love, if you feel God has anger, rage, or any other human emotion, that mean that Lord Jesus broke His commandment. much Love !

I love you, but I am not going to communicate with you any more, unless you apologize for your Insults. I am 41 year old Men with Wife, two kids, Happiest alive, don't smoke, don't do narcotics, I drink Cabernet Sauvignon ( red wine ), occasionaly, but do not get drunk. Like I said I respect your opinion, and reserve very same right. much love ! Peter

So that is why we have the Bible verse-Jesus wept? You are having some serious issues here and I do believe it's time that you get put on moderator review. All that I see came out of Jesus is truth and true love, and still IS, because His Spirit is coming out of His words, that were written in the book. The only two things that brings tears to man's eyes are : Love and Physical pain. I came to this site to exchange words with people that are willing to communicate, and have never did anything that is against rules of this Board. In the other hand, all I'am getting in return ( with few exceptions ) is Insult and Judgement. Especialy from person that is behind " Why so blind ". I love all of you as I love myself. I came in peace, and I'll live in peace, because peace is all I got. much respect !

I agree, because you're right, but who is going to be saved is not up to Jesus, He ( while alive ) gave that task to Peter ( Matthew 16:17,18,19 ) First of All if you have Holy Spirit in you, you shouldn't have any emotions whatsoever, just like Jesus didn't have. True Love, that is God is not Human Emotion, it is unconditional giving of All you got, and all you got is the truth. Emotions was package that Adam and Eve recieived after their Fall. First display was fear mixed with shame of being naked. And then if you don't have Holy Spirit, on which side are You ? I am extatic, because I know my Future, I saw it twice. Fourteen years ago ('91, living in Yugoslavia, War knocking @ the door, life standard in sewer, and there I am seeing myself flying to New York, having African-American wife, two kids, nice House, good Job, fast car, life that was impossible even to imagine, in disbelief, I was like " No Way ! ", chances to come to US was very slim to none. In December '94 I was in New York on my way to Cleveland, Married to white American wife, that I divorced in '98, and met my Black Queen, and rest is as mentioned ), and then again it happened day after Pope died, this time, not only my Future, but Future of the World. I have never said Jesus is reincarnated today, you made that one up. Let me ask you one question, my dear friend. How many God's do you have, today ? ( question based on you mentioning antichrist ) much love and respect !

Not really, working third shift past ten years, and babysitting my daughter now for three years, I watch " Playhouse Disney " way more than Movies

How many times do I have to tell you, that you are right, and absolutely no one have right to judge what you believe, know, or feel. I even gave you right to judge me, if that's going to make you feel better. Your mother gave you birth, but God gave you life, and that life is your soul, and it belongs to God. Your spirit is just the way you feel life, and you feel need to follow God's word, which is your path. Now can you explain yourself, what do I have, with your life, that produced such an agressive atitude towards me ?? Do I have right to communicate, or not ? God do not have time, we do. God have eternal existance. Creation from Genesis is double standard, as a fact of how everything came to life, and prophecy about how is going to end as life, and continue as eternal existance. 6 days - 6000 years, beginning of seventh day - beginning of rest. From God's perspective, we still, reliving only one day, under different circumstance Whether you realize it or not, you need to be more specific, while throwing acusations, about me being contrary to scripture. You need to say " you said " this and that ", which is silliness in the nutshell, because scripture says " this and that " " According to you, after original creation was done, ( " It is over and done " ), God do not have absolutely nothing to do with everything that have happened in past "6000 years " That is your theory, right ? When reading bible I am reading my Imagination actualy, because God has been on Vacation for past 6000 years, right ? Take your time, and be safe

Don't even know what is " New Age ", and what is alert,alert ! all about ? But hey, God bless you, and feel free to feel anyway you feel free much respect ! Peter

So the Lord's coming wasn't "as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west"? (MT. 24:27) So, are you going totell us now that Jesus is in bodily form in some other specific person? Or are you going to tell us that His being in us is how He's here? Or do you have soemthing new up your sleeve that we haven't heard of before? Everything I've said is just the way I feel, after reading word of God, just like you. Whatever both of us feel is right, because it couldn't be any other way, that's how we are, you and me. It is all spirit, and it's all God, because God is Everything. Now, your spirit from what I see is telling you that stories Jesus told disciples while foretelling the Future about " second coming " of Son of Man, are to be taken Literaly. "Lightning from the east and flashes to the west" are just metaphores for TV Broadcast of War in the East . His story is in sync with Joel's prophecy, which is proof that last days are last days, not last two Milleniums. And right after that, seventh day will Happen' MT. 24:29, every eye on the planet will feel that End has come, because somehow ( that, I don't know, because if I do, I would know exact day ) time is going to stop. And then among others, you'll hear some dude talking about truth and love, and many people will say " what is next He's gonna pull out of His sleeve, He must be High or Crazy ! "......... Yes, that is exactly what I was telling you. He was Jesus from Nazareth 2000 years ago. After only two days, He couldn't resurrect as someone else, because He was known as Jesus. But after 2000 years, he came silent as thief in the night ( MT.24:43,44), in the days described as Noah's days. Born to a different Mother, just like Jesus, He didn't know who He actualy is, until He learn that one Himself. His weapon are His words, and because those words, People will start droppin' dead like Flies. That is probably why you don't understand, why did He have to change Simon into Peter . History repeats in Cycles, Adam was given Order, He couldn't do it, Jews were given Law, they didn't Understand it, Jesus was the way, the truth, the life, not only Jews, everybody else, including disciples did not see that (MT.13:11). And again, now, only chosen will feel Him. You feel me ? Of course He's in you, silly, if He is not, you wouldn't be reading this words. That is why you searching and knocking still, He don't want you to stop, till you find Him, and then you'll now, you're saved. The only thing that is between you and Him, right now, is your Belief. much love and truth ! Peter

Joels prophecy is about these days, not any other, God created everything, prophets and disciples included. Torah and Gospels are books about Seventh day, which we actualy reliving, and when that Actual Seventh day start, some of Us will feel Love, and some will not. Meaning of entire prophecy is about those who will " call on the name of the Lord " and get saved, and verses 31, 32 did not happen' yet. Just follow your instincts, and you'll be " safe & sound " . My instinct tells me He is already here !

Of course We can, because we know that " end " will be beginning of our eternity. If that is something you don't know, than it would be much better if that " end " don't happen'. If you don't know the truth now, chances are you never will. This time He didn't came to end up getting murdered, this time He is here to take over. He was born again in different flash, same old spirit who started first day, to come back, and start seventh. That is why Revelation ends with Genesis. All of us, that were by default turn into dirt, are now getting new eternal existance. So everyone who died and turn back into dirt, will live now through Us. And everything will remain in sync with science, this time without time. there are many aspects that I feel, and you feel too

Absolute truth ! with small technical eror on how Holy Spirit actualy works. Prophecy is an absolute certainty, otherwise it wouldn't be a prophecy. Obeying God is Judeo and "Organized" "Christian" "Religion" concept. And according to Foretelling of Jesus in Luke 21:5,6 that concept is about to Expire, completely demolished. Why something have happened and explanation of fulfillment of prophecy are the same matter. Foretelling is statement about Future, not Past . It is very slippery when we look @ things from God's perspective, because He don't have Time as we do. His past is our Future. This all have happened long, long time ago, otherwise it wouldn't be written. In Matthew 24 and Luke 21, Jesus foretells future and coming of " Son of Man " Who with the brain, eyes, Torah and Gospels need Preaching ? I know I don't I feel that Human flesh accomplish absolutely nothing, it's all spirit. I also feel that Man is capable of serving only One " Master ", God or Money, and I see Preachers serving Money, not God. I always felt that true love and truth are Free. I am not going to dispute your and your mother's prophetic abilities ( who am I to judge ? ). I feel that you are person who feel things that others don't, that is who you are, and you couldn't be any other way. No doubt you got " spiritual mindset ", rather than material. My vision of " in those days your sons and daughters will prophesy " is about people who's foretelling are widely heard and seen in the world we living in. Those sons and daughters are writers, poets, directors, actors, who painted Future and gave it to us on a silver platter to feel it. They are 100% in sync with already told prophecies. For instance " Batman " (Nicholson/Keaton) is story about God's church (Basinger) and deal between God and "God", as of who've created who ? " Groundhog Day ", when 1000 years "day" arives, people will find true love and live forever, or they will die. " The Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy ", fantastic prophecy about 42. That's just the way I feel. "Outpouring" of Holy Spirit is metaphore, not to be taken as Rain, it means there will be Lot's of People in those days telling the truth to Ears that can hear, and Eyes that can " see " Holy Spirit is in your blood, or it isn't, same way was Jesus in David's blood. Which again don't mean that you and your mother are not going to be heard of. much respect !