CellShade

As always you have never been able to substantiate any of your claim or answer any questions. Your stance on Catholicism and Christianity is beside the point, I am more than happy to supply those unanswered questions to you. Vox thing is, I am not arguing whether if catholism is true or not( which I believe is not) but rather that I don't consider catholics christian. For me it is another religion. Not getting into this disccussion with you, last time thread got closed down. Btw Second Eve, while I may not know everything( only The One in me knows everything), I have a more than average understanding of Islam, same as of catholism. Anyway secondeve, as far as I am concerned, the thread was a Christianity point against a muslim point, not an atheist point, I know my points and my view towards other religions are very hostile, I know that, but believe me, actually those tracks when people read them, even catholics, many say that is true what it says there( regarding thing used or things done in catholic system) no words regarding Islam, I don't know fairly well many people that believe in Islam. Vox, please let's not discuss Christianity.RCC, we know that the thread got closed the other time. Blessings, Cell. Btw I still love Catholics, atheist, and muslims, I just hate their religion, and in case of atheist, I don't hate them, but seriusly think they need to think straight .

Yes. Jesus is the only one that died Sinless, He came as Holy and sinless to this World, and is still Holy and sinless. . Hi Cell !! Christians believe Jesus Christ is God. And you say Jesus was sinless ,which means God is sinless. Moslims believe that we cannot say God is sinless or sinful!! this judgement does not apply to Him!!!! To be God, you have to be sinless, that's why we sin, it is the opposite of God. But if that is what islam believes in, fine, after all we refer to a diffrent God, (I refer to the true and only real one God the Father, God the son(Jesus) and The Holy Spirit.) Real mature. If you want to challenge Islam, how about you research it and do so on more intelligent grounds? All you've done is post a link to a comic which has been drawn/created with the express purpose of mocking Islam, rather than actually analysing or critiquing it on any intellectual, historical or moral basis. Gratuitous cheap shots help nobody. Also, Wayne, I think mohammed was saying that human traits or judgements, either positive or negative, cannot be applied to god as humans see him, because he exists beyond human definition. Real mature. If you want to challenge Islam, how about you research it and do so on more intelligent grounds? All you've done is post a link to a comic which has been drawn/created with the express purpose of mocking Islam, rather than actually analysing or critiquing it on any intellectual, historical or moral basis. Gratuitous cheap shots help nobody. Quite right, to use any of Chick's tracks as an example only goes to reveal the level of the poster's intelligence. Jack Chick is a proven liar and his website spreads only fear and hatred. If Chick's brand of Christianity is validated than as Christian we are really in trouble. You know my stand with catholicism and christianity, so I won't get into this talk about chick tracks, while sometimes may exagerate, it's true, like it or not.

My bad I know it was a bit harsh, well not a bit, very harsh and angryfull, but mohamed seems to keep a close minded mind, also I reserve my rights to talk abou arabs, I have some arab decendency .( Just playing, I will refer better about arabs) Also I speak with truth when I say, Islam is a religion of terrorism.

hi cell !! I do have an "open mind" .I am not stubborn but I will continue denying what 'christians' say about Jesus , the prophets and god", "alah" many of you are still doubtful of such issues as : the divinity of christ, the death/resurrection of God, the sinful acts of some prophets, the infallibility of the OT and NT. Many absurd things can't be accepted my muslims. There, corrected it a bit, remember, fake gods always go with a little "g" and not capitalized. Just a bit of grammar and spelling lesson . We are not doubtfull of the divinity of Christ , the death/resurrection of God, the sinful acts of some prophets, the infallibility of the OT and NT. Again some spelling mistakes, corrected them for you, remember, Christ=God, theirfore if God is spelled with capital letter, Christ is to be started with capital letter. I find a lot of unproven information there, know your facts, the way when all my claims about Islam are correct. Honestly I don't know where you get all this ideas, well, you can go with your fake "god" and do whatever you want, I'll be here with my real God Jesus Christ, the one that died for me and rose again in the third day, the one that loves, the one that came down here and gave His only begotten son so that we may hvae everlasting life in heaven, alah can't beat that, because guess what, alah or mohammed or whoever died in his sins, and where he is surely not a nice place. But go on, stay with the ignorance of islam, go on and hate the jews if you want, they have something called a heart, which is something I don't find in Islam or most arabs. Jesus=God , alah= fake god, get over it now, read The Holy Bible, you will understand G1od's holy plan.

Dakote while I agree with some things, and I know specially from some atheist here which I won't mention and from this muhamed guy. I know they will deny everything, and never change is their midn, but The worst defeat is the one that wasn't lost. If you get what I mean. I know their heart is stubborn and lacking a bit of thinking, but God said to tell everyone about His word, and that includes them, so I am kind of ok to a point of them posting here in apolotegics, but I just hope they would have an open mind and not that narrow thing in their mind that they call "open mind" . But even if they doesn't appear as listening, God has the control of time, only God knwos if they will ever believe in Him, and honesty, I don't want them to go to hell even though they are awfulyl stubborn and a bit wackos .

Agree and thanks for mentioning Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, I needed to proove a point but your post does it .

On the first thing, do you mean that we love the Jews more than muslims love the Jews, if so Yes. If regarding that we love Jews more than we love the muslims, we love both groups the same, but as other's said, Jesus is the pearl to God's(Jesus) eyes, so I am more leaned towards loving the jews a bit more. None the less I don't hate muslims. I still love them. Regarding your third paragraph, I don't adore the followers that killed Jesus Christ, I adore Jesus Christ, and when Jesus said, (not exact quote) "Forgive them Father, they don't know what they are doing." then if Jesus forgave them, Jesus being the one getting killed without sin and being falsely accused, then I can certainly can forgive Israel's people. Israel never robbed the land, it was of them, do research and know your facts, don't believe anything that you learned in the school or college or whatever in there. 4th Paragraph. You say you are perplexed that we loves jews? Well get used to it, Jesus is a God of love. And is a God of Justice aswell( all this is what Jesus is " ) You say when the jews enslaved arabs, maybe terrorist by any chance, or murderers. Besides maybe those nice guys that alledgedly the islam has had by any chance jew hostages of their own? Hi Silent, Kerdos and Wayne !!! Those "acts by some Muslim terrorists" do not come from the void! Just think of this : those terrorists are : * suffering an injustice. they have concluded that no authority can take their side. And they have knocked at every door for a solution but with no avail!! So, they use every babarous means to attract attention to their situation. But at any case, Islam doesn't tell us to stop evil with another evil. * the fruit of the policy of despotic leaders in the Arab/Muslim world. Most of these leaders are backed by the 'christian' West. Most of those terrorists draw their inspiration from Wahhabism. And Wahhabism comes from the despotic regime in Saudi Arabia. The Talibans (and Ben Laden !! ) showed up during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan thanks to the backing of the USA and the Wahhabi Saudi Arabia. And now America is reaping what it sowed !!! * ignorant of the true islam. Islam doesn't encourage its adherents to blow up unwary infidels to retaliate against someone else's wrongdoing. You say that today's Jews are the " apples of God's eye"!! This is applied to the true follwers of the prophets (Abraham, David, Mose etc). But today's Jews are a far cry from those followers. Today's Jews rejects two prophets and their Divine Books : Jesus and Mohammad. Yes, Jesus was an Israelite , from the House of david. But he was NOT a Jew. He was a muslim. The word 'jew' denotes a name of the members of an Israelite tribe : 'Judah' ( hence we have JUDAism). It doesnot pertain to God's religion. In islam, a 'Jew' is an Israelite who doesn't follow the true teachings of the prophets. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. And those Jews who rejected / rejects him are his enemies because they are not following his religion. So, I conclude that Jesus Christ was an Israelite Muslim NOT a JEW. And the true followers of Christ WERE Christian Muslims ! Do some thinking ,please! Blowing kisses to you, 'Christians' !!! Sure islam doesn't encourage to blow people up, wait, again I repeat according to your scriptures, that's the ideal muslim! And one point that might really really make you angry, is mohamed, was no prophet, he was a false prophet, see a story some people don't know is that mohamed was a rejected prophet of Jesus. Jesus knew the hate and everything mohamed had in his heart, so mohamed went out there and made his own religion up. Sorry can't get the article of this, will try to get it in a few days. Hahahahahaha, you for real, Jesus was not a muslim, have good article describing the decendence of Arabs and Israelis but don't have at hand, again will try to get it later. And when you say In islam, I will respond to, in the actual world a Jew means: A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah. Sure there is also jews from the religion but jews are jews, christian or not . Refer to, the term, Jesus is The Lion of Judah . And no, Jesus was not send to the lost sheep of Israel, Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of all the world, including jews, arabs, americans, polish, germans and all the other people and countries . For God sent not is Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be save. John 3:17 Also moha, you see I know i may sound a bit hostile towards arabs but I have no hate towards them. I am from Honduras, Mexican, American-Polish. and have far libanese dencendency, so I am fair and have no hate towards arabs. But honestly, I love Israel the most with all my heart, more then I will love any other country. Not only do I support Israel because I am Christian, but that it is a peaceful country, that has suffered through the years, but has remained loving and accepting to all people in the world. I wonder, how can you being an arab can dislike Israel when they give arabs in Israel more rights then the dumb and useless regimes in arab countries have giveng their own people. Think clearly. Blessings and God Bless this world, All Israel , U.S and Arab countries, and the whole world.

Do it in remembrance of Him, but tell a catholic priest and he will tell you it's God incarnated and aswell, if it is in remembrance, why is it a neccesary step or one of them to be able to go to heaven? I do for the good of the thread won't post more in this thread since we just had a catholic thread and I spiced things up a bit and things got closed, so I will rather not post in this thread for the sake of it not becoming another catholic vrs Christian thread

None of us is really worthy of going to heaven, but when Jesus died for Us He broke the gap between ManKind and God, He's sacrifice made us so that even though we aren't worthy to be with God, we can be with Him because of Jesus Love . You please God just by having you as His son. You please him in many other ways you might not think of, when you are actually pleasing God . When you confsed Jesus name as your Savior, you pleased Him so much, when you woke up this morning, you please God , He saw your face awake and He loves us so much that just by seing us He is happy to have us as His sons .

Look moha, many people here have read the whole quran, they know what they are talking about. People need to act smart, does a religion of peace gives weapons to 5 year old kids, did you know that in arab countries children are taught to kill israeli people? They are tough how to use ak-47 at the age of 4 or 5, they are taught that Israelis are like animals and are "infidels" and most die . Stop ignoring this, is it too hard to say, "yes we hate israelis because the quran says to do that" , just admit it, Most arabs and islamic people hate Israel, and the rest of the world because, the rest of us non islamic people, are "infidels" . In the words of Bill O'Reilly, "you need to step off the kool aid ,sir"

Why thank it, that they approved it doesn't mean anything to me, the Bible was compiled perfectly by others. You wouldn't need me to say that I approve this website as christian, when their is clear evidence it is christian. Regarding to John verse, I don't know how it contradict the other verse.

You are making an age old mistake. You cannot seperate God from Man. The fleshly son as you put it was God. Remember the Trinity....Father, Son, and Holy spirit are one. They cannot be seperated. The Trinity is the foundation of Chrisitanity. Do you believe in the Trinity? Some new's for you, when Jesus came to earth, only Jesus came to earth, The Holy Spirit and God Father stayed in Heaven. The whole trinity didn't come here at that time. Know you facts! The Word(Jesus (son)) was made Flesh.

Right on target Hi Candy !! It seems , from your talk, that Muslims are responsible for all the "horrific things" that the world is witnessing !! it seems as if muslims are doing these horrors just for sheer pleasure!!! Well , not all, but most of them, actually the devil is doing them throught islam. Sorry mohammad, you may sound like a nice guy, but the quran doesn't sound nice at all. Also we believe God(Jesus) is Love, Love wasn't created, God is Love itself. That is why "hate" is a sin, because it's contrary to Love, and that means it is contrary to Jesus Christ God.

Aswell not the mother of Jesus in Trinity form.

While I am not cuban nor my family, we are silently, hoping that He dies soon, this is unchristian I know, but the guy is a great pain to it's people.

And this is bad because. . . ? Agree with Nbula.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Paraphrased.... There's nothing like the written Word of God for showing you the way to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. Every part of Scripture is God-breathed and useful one way or another

Yes they hate both U.S and Israel.

Now you are challenging the definition of a term that was defined by scientist?That's weird. Again, here's a quote from a scientist book, " if there was a omnipotent God, He could do anything" Don't know the name of the book, but do a google search if you want. Maybe we should have made you write the dictionaries and the definition of each word, maybe we would have a better world . You can mock me as much as you want but you're just throwing out assertions. Any logically incoherent definition is not acceptable. When you find a substitute for logic that can produce meaningful knowledge let me know. Btw great job quoting a scientist without saying his qualifications, without saying his name and without pointing to the actual quote, actually telling me to go search for it by myself. That really helped your case. So what? If I'm not mistaken the theory accepted most says Luna was detached from the Earth by an impact with something shortly after the Earth had formed. I remember there's something on wikipedia about it. That doesn't have anything to do with dinosaurs though. You're not making a point. There is a point, not neccesarly I will always go against you, just most of the time . While I honestly don't believe the earth was stickied to earth, I just want you to admit that it was a wild idea, but could have been possible since we don't know the exact speed of the moon, that's all I wanted. Sorry if I didn't quote correctly I know, I just don't remember the book or the author, but it was found on a online google search, sorry if I forgot book title.

Where I live there is many storms liek this, just a little less wind maybe, but this type of storm happens like 4 times a month or so, when it rains here, it rains like there is no tomorrow

In verse 17 when Paul said " Then we wich are alive.......", WE does not imply Paul will be alive to see it. But rather it is a reference to those who believe in the LORD Jesus. I think those verses suggest that the Christians of that time expected to live to see Jesus return. There is plenty of other evidence in the Bible for that. Dunno regarding to this part of the Bible but all christians expect to live just in time when Jesus comes for us , without having to die first, it doesn't mean I am neccesarly gonna live to see Jesus coming, but sure I am gonna be with Him in heaven when He does do that .

Yes, Media treats like if Israeli people are not worth anything, and that's wrong to think that. If hizbolah didn't have bases in front and between civilian places things would be different. God Bless Israel and their people! .

Because the cease fire was only in one of the arab cities, not the whole south, also the airstrike was to aid Israeli soldiers.

No, Cell! If everyone did what I said, THEN it would be a better world!

No. I don't consider catholic church to be christian. Catholics are Christians. We believe in the Trinity which I assume that you do to. We believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ and I assume you do to. We believe in heaven and hell. I assume that you do to. We believe that we are only saved through Jesus and Christ and the fact that he died on the cross to save us from our sins. And I would assume that you believe this also. So why aren't Catholics Christians????? Sigh, other things, I won't post right now since I am a bit sick right now from throat so really don't have much energy, but will try to post on this later .