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The anology is like we look at the same object , and the person standing there is a beatiful respected person who we all know is a human.
The Muslims say the person is a animal, and is in reality to them a pig, so the attributes they give is a pig.
DOn't you think the person htey see as an pig first of all would be more insulted?
Don't you see that we will be seeing them as being disrespectful?
Most of all you would not accept the person as a pig and treat them like one, as a muslim would do, would you?
This is the same priciple they do with our God.
The same insult to our God the Father is when they reject the Son of God is like calling Jesus a pig.
That is why God "said",who doesn't have the Son doesn't have the Father God.
I agree, and that reasoning would apply to all who reject the fact that Christ is God. That would fit many groups, such as the Church of Latter Day Saints, Judaism, and Islam to name only a few.
Thank you for also seeing my point , but I wish other Catholics na other christians as such would understand that Islam have another god which is realy satan.
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But of course in the end, there is only one God in three persons, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Any God, which is not, described this way, is false and of course has nothing to do with Christianity or the actual God. Part of the problem and I think confusion is a result of the rejection of the Trinity by some claiming to be Christians. Muslims have an intrinsically different view of God, as do those who practice modern Judaism.
But remember Muslims accept that Christ ascended to God, they affirm that He was born of a virgin, they accept Him as being from God, but the key difference comes down to His divinity, that He is part of God, that Christ Himself forgives our sins, something ONLY a God can do. If you do not accept the Trinity, if you do not accept that Christ IS God and man in one, then you essentially have an Islamic view of God. Mormons and JW"s for example have an Islamic understanding of God and Christ, rejecting the Trinity.
THey have added the story of Mary , or a prophet Jesus just to try to win Jews and christians over to thier religion in Mecca, durin the trade time in Mecca.
They have stolen parts of other belief from traders as they come and trade , that is why they had so many gods in Mecca at that time.
The religion itself is a pagan originated, and it is a Idol religion with full of pagan traditions.
The anology is like we look at the same object , and the person standing there is a beatiful respected person who we all know is a human.
The Muslims say the person is a animal, and is in reality to them a pig, so the attributes they give is a pig.
DOn't you think the person htey see as an pig first of all would be more insulted?
Don't you see that we will be seeing them as being disrespectful?
Most of all you would not accept the person as a pig and treat them like one, as a muslim would do, would you?
This is the same priciple they do with our God.
The same insult to our God the Father is when they reject the Son of God is like calling Jesus a pig.
That is why God "said",who doesn't have the Son doesn't have the Father God.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-polytheism-moon-worship.htm
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May I suggest that one reason people think Muslims have the same God as Christians lies at the feet of both the leadership and layity of the saved church. Those who know better and are in a position of influence refuse to speak out and declare the truth. Whether this is because of a fear of offending someone or the result of intimidation or an effortt to be polictically correct, I don't know.
tHANK FOR THAT REASON .
But wouldn't you think that is a shame to the gospel and to the church as such??
We are not to be ashamed of the gospel I thought?
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amor
SO you know that is is a copy of the Jewish and christian belief , and even the Koran has chosen and left out parts they dom"t accept , and wanted in their created man made koran?
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Because they do not Know (True) God.
candi
Do you think you could cut down the length of your posts? I don't have time to wade through all that!
The thing that get me is that so many christian think also that Allah is their God and Lord and that is to dogmatic for me.
Most Catholic s beleive this as welll as some ccc.
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Still a much better reason to reject outright the Muslim-Arabian Peninsula's pagan moon-god called "allah" is JUST THAT: "allah" is precisely the moon-god of pre-Muslim days, long before Muhammad ever saw the light of day!! Within the ka'aba, in pre-Muslim days, were several idols representing various pagan gods. One was called "allah," three others were "allah's" daughters, al-uzza, al-lat and al-manat. One can easily judge the antiquity of this Arab pagan pantheon from the very mention of al-il-lat (al-lat) by Herodotus (fifth-century B.C. Greek historian) as a major Arabian deity. The Quraish paved the way for monotheism by worshipping the pagan "allah" as their chief god. Islam's polygamous WarLord founder, Muhammad, simply eliminated the other 300-some deities and underscored "allah" as chief god. Muhammad quite evidently never listened to, or chose to reject the One True Creator-God, Jehovah-Jirah, the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, Who has warned us, "Thou shalt have no other gods besides Me!" The god of Islam, "allah" surely calls upon one's reserves of pure imagination and a carnival's curved mirror show. It practically screams mini-series, no?
Thank You, Lord Jesus, for Your everlasting salvation!
You are 100% correct!
Give the man a candy cigar.
Why does so many Catholics teach and think Islam has the same God , and they even say if Islam doesn't have the same God all non Catholic have another god because we are not part of the mother church .
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
The Church and non-Christians (CCC)
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:
All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333
From the Declaration Dominus Iesus
VI. THE CHURCH AND THE OTHER RELIGIONS IN RELATION TO SALVATION
20. From what has been stated above, some points follow that are necessary for theological reflection as it explores the relationship of the Church and the other religions to salvation.
Above all else, it must be firmly believed that
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Still a much better reason to reject outright the Muslim-Arabian Peninsula's pagan moon-god called "allah" is JUST THAT: "allah" is precisely the moon-god of pre-Muslim days, long before Muhammad ever saw the light of day!! Within the ka'aba, in pre-Muslim days, were several idols representing various pagan gods. One was called "allah," three others were "allah's" daughters, al-uzza, al-lat and al-manat. One can easily judge the antiquity of this Arab pagan pantheon from the very mention of al-il-lat (al-lat) by Herodotus (fifth-century B.C. Greek historian) as a major Arabian deity. The Quraish paved the way for monotheism by worshipping the pagan "allah" as their chief god. Islam's polygamous WarLord founder, Muhammad, simply eliminated the other 300-some deities and underscored "allah" as chief god. Muhammad quite evidently never listened to, or chose to reject the One True Creator-God, Jehovah-Jirah, the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, Who has warned us, "Thou shalt have no other gods besides Me!" The god of Islam, "allah" surely calls upon one's reserves of pure imagination and a carnival's curved mirror show. It practically screams mini-series, no?
Thank You, Lord Jesus, for Your everlasting salvation!
This is so very true.Amen!
It is a very old pagan religion, and a moon god religion in mecca.
I guess you have yread also Chick tract or the book on Robert Morey??
Shalom
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Another thing some else showed me this about one reason the Catholic church think Islam has the same God.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
The Church and non-Christians (CCC)
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:
All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333
From the Declaration Dominus Iesus
VI. THE CHURCH AND THE OTHER RELIGIONS IN RELATION TO SALVATION
20. From what has been stated above, some points follow that are necessary for theological reflection as it explores the relationship of the Church and the other religions to salvation.
Above all else, it must be firmly believed that
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1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
I do not care what any muslim says, or any jew says, or any so called christian says... God says that any spirit that denies that Jesus Christ, the very Son of God, in whom dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, who was fully God and fully man....came in the flesh.... That means that anyone that denies that Jesus was anything less than Emanuel, which means, "God with us"... In the flesh, is of the spirit of antichrist...
The muslims deny that Jesus is God in the flesh.... they are antichrist, and do not know God the Father...
Any jew that denies that Jesus is God in the flesh.... is an antichrist and does not know God the Father.... this was true in Jesus day, and is true today...
Either one accepts that Jesus is God in the flesh, or he is of the spirit of antichrist...
If you do not know Christ you do not know God his Father.... the two cannot be separated...
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Shalom
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If however you know your Bible, then read glorious Khoran, you will quickly see, that the 'god' of the Khoran, has the murderous and sexual character of the Bible's devil........
Most people believe it is the same god, for the same reason they believe there are no longer any cannibals in New Guinea: Because they have been told it repeatedly.
That is like blind faith and blind teaching.
Hear something and just believe it to be true, what a shame.
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have talked and interview many Catholics and other believers, and I am shocked to here tha they think Muslim have the same God as the Christians
I have also talked with Muslim who think the same thing as Catholics.
Can someone here explain how they taught to believe this??
Thank you
Shalom
Probably because they do. Islam is an off shoot of Christianity and Judaism much in the same way that Mormonism is. Both founded by a self-proclaimed reforming prophet.
But even the mormon have another Jesus who is satan brother.
Alone muslims is a pagan religion with it own made up prophets, koran, and god.
They are not mention no where in the bible pass present or future.
So we christians need to see that the religion is formed and led by satan himself the anti Christ.
Even as A Jew today who doesn't accept the death burial , and resurrection of Jesus is damned alreay.
Mark 16:16
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have talked and interview many Catholics and other believers, and I am shocked to here tha they think Muslim have the same God as the Christians
I have also talked with Muslim who think the same thing as Catholics.
Can someone here explain how they taught to believe this??
Thank you
Shalom
Why do most people think Muslims have the same God as Christians?
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I stil don't understand how so many catholics think Islam have the same God, it is a shame to the gospel.