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The earth was created as a battle field where jugment and redemption would be worked out, the first for satan and his cronies, because before the earth was formed satan rebelled. and the second because we rebelled. As for the new heavens and earth, this is after the physical is done away with therefore there is no need for it to be the same as it is not sevicing the same bodies ie; not flesh anymore but spiritual re you a JW? just wondering...

ok... first you mentioned that rebuking in the name of Jesus doen't work and then you ended with a person no having the calling to rebuke demons... I'm a little confused as to what your question really is. The authority of Jesus has always been above every name and I never have problems with it.

Are you then saying that you never knowingly sin?

I would have to say that this was the best response to the entire thread. What a response. This is the correct Biblical answer. Way to go! God bless!

There is no second blessing, or additional blessings, we've got it all in Christ! Glory! God bless! There is another baptism! You don't get it all at salvation, unless you are extremely blessed. Then interpret this passage for me please...

We're allready blessed with everything in Christ, There is no second blessing, or additional blessings, we've got it all in Christ! Glory! God bless!

No where in Scripture does it say that everyone baptized in the Spirit has the gift of prayer tongues either. It doesn't even mention prayer tongues in the Bible. The only place I've foun that could even suggest prayer toungues is when Pauls says, . So here we can see that there is another language that is not of this earth. I do have this gift and have recieved it. But, no where are we taught that all who have the Holy Spirit will have this gift. What's wrong with the tonue that we already have? lol God bless!

There are many people who experience extreme demonic torture just after salvation. However the person is not possessed. If the person were possessed, when they were saved and the Holy Spirit entered and sealed their spirit; the evil spirit had to leave the spirit of that person instantaneously. It is instantaneous, not a process. The Holy Spirit is infinitely powerful, it does not take Him Weeks, hours, minutes, or even seconds to drive out the evil spirit. He claims the spirit of the person as His, and that is that. No demon, not even Satan himself would have any chance of staying. I have witnessed otherwise. It may look good on paper to you, but in reality, it has been proven possible, right before my eyes and hundreds of witnesses. The Holy Spirit won't venture in where one has given ground to the enemy. One has to renounce those rights he has given up to the enemy, so the Holy Spirit can come in and sweep it clean. The devil won't give up what he has been given freely as his own territory. What you have witnessed is demons openly oppressing and manifesting in the life of a newly saved person. However, it is impossible fot that saved person to be possessed. The Demonic level was instantly Changed upon salvation. The demons are still active in the life of that person. They still torment that person, but they can not possess that saved person. The demonic spirit that was possessing that person lost its claim to the persons spirit upon salvation. Its level of influence was instantly lowered from "possession" to "obsession" or "oppression." I never said possession, as I do not recognize that term, nor oppression. All is torment and all is requiring renunciation and the freedom that comes from the power and the fullness of the Holy Spirit in a life. True, it all needs rebuked and freedom from. But there is a difference and I believe that we need to know what that difference is so that we have the knowledge (helmet of salvation).... that I know that I know; I know it in my knower, ect. If I have this knowledge, it enables my confidence. It's like this question, "If you could do one thing and you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt you wouldn't fail, what would it be?' We can easily relate this to our salvation. Because once we know that beyond a shadow of a doubt that our faith has been established in Christ, the Rock of ages, the strong foundatoin, once we are in His hand, once we have been sealed be the Spirit of Life, Once we are His... nothing can seperate us, and that my friend, is an assurance that cannot be found in anything else other than Christ! Amen and hallelujah! God bless!

Not really. It does, however, logically follow that they are alive in the presense of God. No where in the Scriptures does it suggest that we here on earth can communicate with anyone who is not alive in the flesh here on earth. There's only one that is still alive that we can communicate with in a biblical manner: Jesus. He rose in physical, fleshly form. He's the only one. Also, there's the penance question. How come Catholicism teaches penance (sp?)? (I'm still waiting for the answer) RE "How come Catholicism teaches penance " Because Scripture and the early Church Fathers insist upon it: Matt 6: 1-18 I Peter 4: 1-2 Is 1: 16-18 I don't see where Matt 6:1-18 has to do with penance, neither in 1 Peter 4"1-2, and niether in Is 1:16-18. Penance comes from the word punishment. I asked the question because I see nothing Biblical we can do in punishment to ourselves (whether repetetive prayer or public humiliation) to be forgiven any more than we are when we simply ask with a sincere heart. I suppose I have a lot of problems with the practices of Catholicism, and that's why I'm not Catholic in religion, but am Catholic as part of the universal body of Christ. I do, however, believe that we can love each other even though we have differences. God bless! Webster defines penance as: " an act performed to show sorrow or repentance for sin" The Catechism defines it as... Interior penance: a conversion of heart toward God and away from sin, which implies the intention to change one's life because of hope in divine mercy Exterior penance: acts of penance include fasting, prayer and almsgiving. Penance is no more "punishing ourselves" than physical exercise, for the purpose of conditioning the body, is punishment. Those verses demonstrate that acts of repentance are good in God's eyes. Peace Fiosh I've never thought of excersize of punishing myself. When asking for forgiveness, I'm not punishing myself... lol When I fast, it's so I can get closer to God, not so that I can deprive myself and punish myself. If my focus is to deprive myself and punish myself of what I've done wrong, and in the process, get closer to God, I don't believe that's biblical. However, If my focus is to get closer to God, and punishment isn't even in my mind, then it's good. If I do something to my body as punishment that makes me feel beter from what I did wrong, then I'm actually saying, "I can pay for my own sin, while still seeking forgiveness from God." We cannot add to anything. We just need to repent and recieve. That's all. And that's my perspective... God bless!

An understanding of this hinges on 2 things: 1. the definition of the word "prayer" 2. the belief that saints who have died are alive in Christ and are interested in our lives here on earth I realize that you may disagree; I only ask that you try to understand. So, yes, we can "pray" to "dead people". 1. In the Catholic mind, there are different meanings for the word "prayer"; just as in the dictionary. When I "pray" to Mary, I am not worshipping her. I am simply asking her to pray for me to God. Just as I would ask you to pray for me. 2. I believe that Mary cares about me and will take my intentions to Jesus, just as she did for the bridegroom at the wedding in Cana. I believe that Mary is alive in the very presence of God. To be honest, I probably engage in less of this type of prayer than some Catholics. Maybe I've been hanging around Protestants too much. But I do believe it is biblically acceptable. (edited by mod) Peace, Fiosh I am a former Catholic, left the religion five years ago. I have studied Catholicism and the Catholic doctrine in depth since leaving the Catholic chuch, frankly had I studied it prior to leaving the church, I would have left long before that. I had blinders on. I simply cannot reconcile the position that Mary has been given by the Catholic church, nor can accept the continual resacrifice of Jesus Christ on the altar daily (weekly). Mary IS clearly venerated by the Catholic church and why would anyone desire to pray to Mary when Jesus Christ sent His Holy Spirit as our Intercessor? Jesus is the One that I pray to.......... Mary was just a favored girl chosen as a vessel, a virgin at the time of her conception nothing more, Jesus had siblings, Mary had a marital relationship with her husband as the Bible states. Jesus Christ wants a personal relationship with us. We no longer require the priests of Old Testament type to go into the Holy Place for us, the veil has been rent and Jesus through His Holy Spirit desires to communicate with us personally. I went to confession for years, and spiritually I never could be forgiven. Until I went to throne of grace myself, and Jesus personally forgave me, it did not work for I went to man to ask for the forgiveness that only Jesus can supply. Thank you God for setting me free, free from the bonds of religion and into the freedom of knowing You personally. Saved and filled with His Holy Spirit. Glory to God. May I suggest that you loose yourself, Jesus is waiting. Like Jesus said...

I think this is where the situation is at hand. The difference in being baptized of John the Baptist and of Jesus of Nazareth. Who ever is baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, whether by 'Father, Son, and Holy Spirit' or simply 'In the Name of Jesus' (because Jesus' diety), you recieve the Holy Spirit. That's how you're saved. That's the seal that gets you to heaven. Without it, you don't make it to eternal life with Him. Hope that helps! God bless!

You used the correct word here... Oppressing rather than possesing

It's not that I am making an interpretation of my own, the scripture says what it says in chapter 4, they were all clearly strong believers according to the word of God. The last few verses in Chapter 4 are clear, specifically verse 32. It's not an interpretation lol, "the multitude of them believed and were of one soul" which means they were "In Christ" if they were in "one soul" I know we all like to pass judgment on those who do wrong doings but in this case you just have to trust in the word of God and it clearly demonstrates between chapter 4 and 5 that Ananias and his wife were part of this multitude but gave into the will of Satan. Thus Peter correctly identifies that they allowed Satan in. So scripturally, a believer can submit to a demon or demonic control. Blessings CJ Llike I said earlier, if this is the case, then Ananias had to turn away the Holy Spirit before Satan entered his heart. No where does it say that the Holy Spirit was still in him when he did this. Yes, he may have been part of the multitude, but that doesn't mean he was possesed with both Satan and the Holy Spirit upon his actions.

Very true, we do go through a process of being refined and of being made holy. We do need work and God will complete the work He started in us. But just because I'm, say... a smoker when I become a Christian, doesn't mean that I have an evil spirit in me, it could be a lack of knowledge. Being imperfect and still needing breakthroughs in our lives doen't mean that we're possesed by evil spirits. And Amen, He is our Strong Tower! God bless!

Not really. It does, however, logically follow that they are alive in the presense of God. No where in the Scriptures does it suggest that we here on earth can communicate with anyone who is not alive in the flesh here on earth. There's only one that is still alive that we can communicate with in a biblical manner: Jesus. He rose in physical, fleshly form. He's the only one. Also, there's the penance question. How come Catholicism teaches penance (sp?)? (I'm still waiting for the answer) RE "How come Catholicism teaches penance " Because Scripture and the early Church Fathers insist upon it: Matt 6: 1-18 I Peter 4: 1-2 Is 1: 16-18 I don't see where Matt 6:1-18 has to do with penance, neither in 1 Peter 4"1-2, and niether in Is 1:16-18. Penance comes from the word punishment. I asked the question because I see nothing Biblical we can do in punishment to ourselves (whether repetetive prayer or public humiliation) to be forgiven any more than we are when we simply ask with a sincere heart. I suppose I have a lot of problems with the practices of Catholicism, and that's why I'm not Catholic in religion, but am Catholic as part of the universal body of Christ. I do, however, believe that we can love each other even though we have differences. God bless!