JB Horn

hr.jr. If you believe you can un-believe you will because you don't. By the way does Santa baptize with the Holy Ghost? Thaddaeus You have presented nothing worth considering Thaddaeus, you lack any logic. You are in the law Thaddaeus, a shame. cardcaptor Church of Christ? We have one here that is a hypo-calvin church and I know of one that is a baptismal required for the remission church. Whatever it is I'm sure it's a good church. But that is not what your KJV says is it? But your into the Bible so I guess mine must be an old copy. Not by works JB

Thaddaeus, cardcaptor As I read back on you post it has become clear that you deny Christ to be God could it be that you read the NWT. If so I see your hang up in the reconstruction of John. John 1:1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. (NWT) Should read: John 1:1

Thaddaeus There you go! You win! Then it was never "eternal life", "everlasting covenant" OK and you can be "un-regenerated", funny. So have you ever un-believed or have you been sinless sense you came to Christ. Just asking cause I was wondering how many times a person can be born again. I need some white out to update my copy. John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Jude 1:24, 25 Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. cardcaptor I didn't get your answer "can you un-believe? "

Thaddaeus I understand that you believe that the Holy Ghost that lives in each Christian's heart will let you do as you want. And I know you don't believe that it is the Father that enables you to come to Christ. And I understand that if your child ran away from you that you would stop loving him. I know that you feel that you have to work your way to heaven and that you're a righteous man. You've told me all of that. And I know you read the Bible out of context: 1 Tim 5:9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under three score years old, having been the wife of one man. 10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work. 11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; 12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. 13 And with they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. 14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. 15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. 2 Tim 2:10

cardcaptor Can you un-believe? "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 " he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit," Titus 3:5 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9 "Being BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." 1 Peter 1:23 "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:29 "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit," Ephesians 1:13 "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire." 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 Can you un-believe? By Grace alone JB

That is what the Bible and Christianity has believed, practiced since Pentacost. I am born mortal since man still suffers the consequences of Adam's judgement and I will die. But death is no longer a permanent end of man. Christ redeemed mankind from death, from that bondage to the judgment through Adam. So, yes, in a real sense I am immortal. I cannot permanently die. No man will. Christ through the Incarnation, assumed man's human nature to raise it to immortality. The question is which side of eternity will you spend your immortal eternal life, heaven or hell. How can one be faithful in their faith and belief before they believe? Isn't any wonder you have things turned around. That may be. So, what in your view, is the purpose of man's existance in this created order? Again, you have things turned around. It is all about Christ's redemptive work. It is about Christ enabling us to believe. He needed to correct the fall, which precluded anyone believing. We were under the judgment of death through Adam. Death, by defintion is the separation of body and soul. This death is the end of man as a human being. We were not created to just end in death, cease to exist. Mankind needed life, in order to even believe. That is the enabling. That is the Work of Christ on the Cross through His Incarnation. That was the primary function, but Christ also needed to attone for the sins of the world, so that He could have union and communion with man in this life while still remaining in a fallen nature, and still able to sin. God created every man with the ability to respond. Each will respond and be responsible to the measure in which He was granted that grace. Read Rom 1 and 2. Paul is quite precise and exact how the man in China is covered. Do you really think that Christ came for only those since His death and resurrection, and or know of the Gospel? That is why, those that have recieved and heard the Gospel, they will suffer much greater for their rejection than those who did not recieve that gospel, as the aborigines 4000 years ago. We study a deferent Gospel Thaddaeus, have a nice weekend. God Bless JB Rom 9:16 So then it does not depend on human will or effort, but on God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture tells Pharaoh: For this reason I raised you up: so that I may display My power in you, and that My name may be proclaimed in all the earth. 18 So then, He shows mercy to whom He wills, and He hardens whom He wills.

Thaddaeus "He redeemed, made righteous every human being" you really believe that, do you believe that you were born righteous? "Even when we believe, we do not choose it so much as we obtain it by being faithful" Come on now my good friend you were faithful before you could believe? I don't think we will agree to what our purpose of our existence is. Oh I do believe what the Bible says and that is why I strongly disagree with your statement. Where does it say that "all mankind has been enabled?" Read John 6 again and tell me it says all mankind is going to come to Christ. Now where do stand on the person in China that has never heard the Word and dies. Does he or she fall within your last statement? By Grace alone I live JB

Thaddaeus Actually that is not what is says is it!

Adam and Eve had free choice, life or death, they chose death. It is mans nature, he is weak.

2 Tim 3:16

Yes!