Yahweh is salvation

Yes, they have noticed the change in me. And I do stand up for people, but feel like I could still do more than that.

And I think you ought to look at the context too, in which Jesus was speaking starting from verse 1 and going on to v12. Here Jesus is telling His disciples to obey the pharisees in the Law, but not to act like them because "Everything they do is done for men to see" and "they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'". Jesus is warning the disciples not to get proud in their positions, but to stay humble; because having people refer to you by a title can blow yor ego up a bit too much. "The greatest among you will be your servant. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted." Yes, I did read that. But the message still remains, we have only one Father and only one Teacher.

I didn't say it was. I was just pointing out when and how the apostasy crept into mainstream Christianity. And I'm saying that I don't listen or belong to any church denomination, only Jesus.

I'd say they have a better shot at being right than a belief system that is only 150 years old and based on one man's teaching and his self-proclaimed inspiration. Be like the Bereans! Test the spirits!!! God gave us His written WORD and the Holy Spirit to guide our understanding in TRUTH. They BOTH go together... a piece of God's Armor, which is the "sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God." [Ephesians 6:17b] When anyone tells you NOT to think but to just be "spiritual", they underestimate the power of the Enemy who is a prowling lion out to deceive and trap. 150 years old? Please explain. Although there have been many who have denied the deity of Jesus over the years, it wasn't until the mid-1800's that it took root with two movements that stated a belief in Jesus Christ as Savior but not as God. One of those movements was the Jehovah's Witnesses originally known as Bible Students, which was founded in the late 1870s by Charles Taze Russell. It wasn't until 1882 that he began rejecting the concept of the Trinity and subsequently taught that Jesus was not God contradicting the claims of Christ. The organization has even gone as far to publish their own translation of the Bible known as the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (NWT)...and in doing so rewrote John 1:1 to read, ""In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God." The source they used was Philo of Alexandria who was a Hellenized Jewish philosopher... not a source I would use. ...and yes, some early Christians believed Philio but it never took hold in the early Church. Ok, but this is not my church.

Actually, in Ephesians chaper 4, you will find that God has given pastors and teachers to us to help us. God has anointed people to serve in those capacities. If God did not think we needed human teachers, He would not have provided them. You should read Matthew 23.8-10. Again, I only listen to Jesus Christ.

I'd say they have a better shot at being right than a belief system that is only 150 years old and based on one man's teaching and his self-proclaimed inspiration. Be like the Bereans! Test the spirits!!! God gave us His written WORD and the Holy Spirit to guide our understanding in TRUTH. They BOTH go together... a piece of God's Armor, which is the "sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God." [Ephesians 6:17b] When anyone tells you NOT to think but to just be "spiritual", they underestimate the power of the Enemy who is a prowling lion out to deceive and trap. 150 years old? Please explain.

So are you saying then, that everyone here who thinks that Jesus is God isn't thinking the Scriptures through for themselves and are only regurgitating what their pastors have told them? I find that highly arrogant if it is so. Some people here have said, that they beleive what they beleive because of what they've been taught by the church. And in my opinion, belief can't be taught. All that church has to do is give us the Gospels (the Bible), just like the first apostols did, and lett us decide what the Gospels are trying to say. I believe that jesus is God and i rarely ever go to church. The question is, do you make your own opinion, or do you listen to the church? both I make up my own opinion based on what i read in Gods word and what the HS gives me the wisdom to understand, and i also listen to what is taught in my church. I don't believe hook line and sinker what is taught in fact what my pastor says, don't believe a word i day, check itout for yourself by reading the bible. So, is the pastor your teacher, or not? Yes and no. i learn some from him, and he learns from me. Oh,ok. It's nice that you can discuss things with each other. I still think that Jesus is our only personal teacher. God bless you my Brother. while i discuss with my pastor, many times over lunch, i don't always agree with him and he doesn't always agree with me, sometimes we even change each others minds on topics. But i primarily listen to the HS who is jesus christ, and hedoesn't reveal anything, just gives me the wisdom to understand. All truth is already written in the bible. All revelations are in the bible. There are no new things to be revealed, only thing is that we need the wisdom to understand FOR EXAMPLE, recnetly we were discussing the whore of babylon in revelation. i have always believed as did my pastor that it was the RC church based upon its description of being on every continent of this earth. well since 2001, i started thinking when we were attacked and the attention was on islam, that islam fit the description of the whore of babylon better than the Catholic church. Do i know for sure? Nope! but the evidence pointing to islam is damning! That's right, none of us know for sure. That's what I was originaly trying to say. We can only listen to the Bible, and the Bible is telling me that the Father is God and Jesus is His Son. And if listen to and beleive anyone else, Ifeel like I'm betrying God. Hope you understand. God bless you, my Brother.

So are you saying then, that everyone here who thinks that Jesus is God isn't thinking the Scriptures through for themselves and are only regurgitating what their pastors have told them? I find that highly arrogant if it is so. Some people here have said, that they beleive what they beleive because of what they've been taught by the church. And in my opinion, belief can't be taught. All that church has to do is give us the Gospels (the Bible), just like the first apostols did, and lett us decide what the Gospels are trying to say. I believe that jesus is God and i rarely ever go to church. The question is, do you make your own opinion, or do you listen to the church? both I make up my own opinion based on what i read in Gods word and what the HS gives me the wisdom to understand, and i also listen to what is taught in my church. I don't believe hook line and sinker what is taught in fact what my pastor says, don't believe a word i day, check itout for yourself by reading the bible. So, is the pastor your teacher, or not? Yes and no. i learn some from him, and he learns from me. Oh,ok. It's nice that you can discuss things with each other. I still think that Jesus is our only personal teacher. God bless you my Brother.

So are you saying then, that everyone here who thinks that Jesus is God isn't thinking the Scriptures through for themselves and are only regurgitating what their pastors have told them? I find that highly arrogant if it is so. Some people here have said, that they beleive what they beleive because of what they've been taught by the church. And in my opinion, belief can't be taught. All that church has to do is give us the Gospels (the Bible), just like the first apostols did, and lett us decide what the Gospels are trying to say. I believe that jesus is God and i rarely ever go to church. The question is, do you make your own opinion, or do you listen to the church? both I make up my own opinion based on what i read in Gods word and what the HS gives me the wisdom to understand, and i also listen to what is taught in my church. I don't believe hook line and sinker what is taught in fact what my pastor says, don't believe a word i day, check itout for yourself by reading the bible. So, is the pastor your teacher, or not?

Amen!

If the dead are not going to be raised to life, what will people do who are being baptized for them? Why are they being baptized for those dead people? And why do we always risk our lives and face death every day? ( Cor 15.29-31) I think this is what the verse says. If we think that the dead cant be risen to life, then what is the point of getting baptized. I hope this helps explain this verse. God bless you.

I take back what I've said before. Sabbath starts on friday(sundown), and ends on saturday(sundown).

I'll just say one more thing on this subject. Whether we beleive Jesus is God or God's Son, it doesn't realy mather. What we have to remember is to do what he told us to do. Over and out. Sinceraly your Brother in Christ. God bless you.

So are you saying then, that everyone here who thinks that Jesus is God isn't thinking the Scriptures through for themselves and are only regurgitating what their pastors have told them? I find that highly arrogant if it is so. Some people here have said, that they beleive what they beleive because of what they've been taught by the church. And in my opinion, belief can't be taught. All that church has to do is give us the Gospels (the Bible), just like the first apostols did, and lett us decide what the Gospels are trying to say. I believe that jesus is God and i rarely ever go to church. The question is, do you make your own opinion, or do you listen to the church?

Well the problem is that it is not up to you decide if Jesus meant it in the absolute sense. The Bible uses it in the absolute sense every time and the context demands that He be understood that way EACH time, and you are impotent to demonstrate otherwise. Jesus was simply using "gods" to refer to authority of magistrates. You still have not explained why if Jesus is not God, did He receive worship after declaring that only God is to be worshipped and why he forgave sins in His own name when only God is able to forgive sins? God gave us to Jesus, that's why Jesus received worship. Same reason why he could forgive our sins. And it is up to us to decide, what he meant.

So are you saying then, that everyone here who thinks that Jesus is God isn't thinking the Scriptures through for themselves and are only regurgitating what their pastors have told them? I find that highly arrogant if it is so. Some people here have said, that they beleive what they beleive because of what they've been taught by the church. And in my opinion, belief can't be taught. All that church has to do is give us the Gospels (the Bible), just like the first apostols did, and lett us decide what the Gospels are trying to say.

Yes, you are referring to the following Psalm partially quoted by Jesus: A Psalm of Asaph. God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: "How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked." They have neither knowledge nor understanding, they walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. I said, "You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince." Arise, O God, judge the earth; for you shall inherit all the nations! (Psalms 82:1-8) What you need to understand is that this verse applies to magistrates. The word "elohim" is used three different ways in Hebrew and the context determines the usage. It is used to refer to God, to angels and to human magistrates/governors or legislators. God is expressing anger that their corrupt use of their authority. He is not calling men "gods" in the absolute sense. Jesus was applying this passage to the leaders/magitrates/ of 1st Century Israel. The clear implication in the passage, and there are othere places in the gospels as well, where it is implied that they knew that Jesus was the Messiah, which is what made their trechory that much worse. Their rejection of Jesusby His enemies may not have been based upon unbelief per se, but because they were actually opposed to the coming of Messiah and the upset His appearing would bring their puppet positions given to Him by Rome. Some of Israel's leaders were so corrupt, the last thing they wanted was a Messiah. Often, we seem to put the Jews of 1st century into this monolithic mold as if they ALL looked for the Messiah, but not all of them did. If it was not clear who Jesus was, there would be no reason to work so hard at discrediting Him. They could not refute Him, so all that was left was to kill Him. So, since they probably knew who Jesus was and rejected Him anyway, their charge of blasphemy was unfounded, particularly since there was nothing in Jesus' works or ministry that indicated that blasphemy had taken place. I think that when Jesus calls himself,"God", that he doesn't mean"God" in absolute sense either.

Thank you for taking your time to write this, I realy appreciate it. Who can forgive sins, then God himself? His one and only Son.(What I think). They called him God, he calls him self God, and the Father(God) called others gods.(none of them are wrong). When Jesus said, " No one has seen the Father, except the one who is from God. only He has seen the Father". He was saying, that the others might have seen different manifastatins of God, but that he is the one who actualy saw God.(What I think). Jesus said, "I and the Father are one". It shows unity and not singleness. So, just like man and the woman, they represent unity and not one person, (the one and only God). (what Ithink). You've maybe noticed that I've used ,(what I think) on the and of the sentences, which means that I think for my self. Not like the other people, who let the church do they thinking for them. Agin, thank you for your reply, and God bless you.

Good question. I've tought about that one to. And then I've said to my self, only God knows. God bless you.

I realize that both statements mean the same thing to you. The problem is that both statements don't mean the same thing at all, despite what you pretend that they mean. The Bible does not allow for a statement such as, "God is the Savior through Jesus." That would mean that Jesus is not the Savior but merely the instrument or conduit through which the Savior operates. So, both statements cannot logically be true. You need to make up your mind what you mean and decide what you really mean. By calling Himself the Son of God, He was saying that He is God. You simply don't get it. You are unwilling to accept the fact that the phrase "Son of God" had a different and deeper meaning than the one dimensional sense you supply to it. In Hebrew thought the phrase was much deeper and didn't have a paternalistic sense to it. It was referring to Jesus' Deity and the Jews of the first century knew that. Your problem stems from a lack of understanding of the culture in which Jesus lived. Jesus communicated His Deity by: 1. Forgiving sins in His own Name, not the Name of the Father. 2. He received worship. Recall that when the devil tried to tempt Jesus to fall down and worship Him while Jesus was in the wilderness for 40 days, Jesus responded to the devil saying that it was written that we are to worship God and Him alone. Now, if Jesus declared that ONLY God was to be worshipped, but Jesus Himself recieved worship that only belongs to God, what is Jesus demonstrating about Himself? 3. Jesus declared personal power over death in that He would not only lay His life down but also take it up again under His own power. 4. By declaring Himself to be Son of God, and thus to be very God. It looks like neither of us will change his mind, so I'll just drop it. I'm sorry for wasting your time. God bless you.

So I'm just trying to understand here.. how do you explain who Jesus is without Him being God, deity? Just an exemplary man who was completly full of the Spirit? Or someone who was pre-existant before time began, having the qualities of God, yet not actually being worthy to be called God? I'm just trying to understand what you think here. I've seen everyone just post Scripture after Scripture and then explain how they read them, but I just want to see what you think in the most basic way, if that's not too much to ask? Not too much to ask at all. Jesus is the Word of God. He is the one through whom God has created all things. The first born of all creation. He was sent by God as His Christ

OK, since you are being elusive, I am going to have to be blunt. What is your religious affiliation? Mormon? Jehovah's Witness? Something else? Could be Christadelphian JB None, I'm simply Christian.

No, that i not what the Bible says. The Bibles does not say that God is a savior through Jesus. It says Jesus is Savior For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. (Luke 2:11) God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. (Acts 5:31) Of this man's offspring God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, as he promised. (Acts 13:23) For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. (Ephesians 5:23) and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, (2 Timothy 1:10) Those are just a few places where Jesus, Himself is called "Savior." You call on us to read our Bibles, but it is clear that you don't really know what the Bible says. That is not why they claimed they wanted to stone Him. They were not arguing with Jesus over whether He was the Messiah. His Messiahship was not hte topic under discussion and does not appear in the text. Their claim was that Jesus was making Himself equal to God and they proclaimed that as their grounds for wanting to stone Him. Jesus is our Saviour, he is the head of the church, but he is those thinghs because God ( Father ) send him to be those things. We are all reading the same Bible, but we all dont have the same view. Jesus wanted us to beleive that he is our Saviour and nothing more. And that in it self is a beautifull thing. Praised be our Lord Jesus Christ! God bless you. Ha! That was not what you said originally. You said that God was the savior through Christ, now you are saying that Jesus is sent to be a Savior. So now, you back peddle and pretend that you meant something else altogether. Jesus said a lot more about Himself than just being a Savior. Jesus said that He is the Resurrection and the Life. He said that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Jesus professed that He was the Messiah, and by affirming that He is the Son of God, He professed that He is God. Furthermore, you cannot simply rest only on the words of Jesus. The WHOLE Bible is the word of God. And it says that Jesus was the creator of the world. When it says, "IN the Begginning God created the heavens the earth," It is really saying, "In The beginning, Jesus creatred the heavens and the earth." That is according Colossians chapter one. Paul delcares that Jesus preeisted creation. You still have not responded to Hebrews Chapter One where God the Father says to Jesus But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions." And, "You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end." (Hebrews 1:8-12) All of that is what God the Father says to Jesus! God the Father calls Jesus, "God." You are you to say that the Father is wrong? I know what I've said, both statements to me mean the same thing. No, I'm not sayiong that God is wrong. But if Jesus is God, why doesn't he insted of saying," Son of Man, Son of God " just say, I am God.

So, are you claiming the Scriptures say there are two Gods? So are you there is another Lord than God? No, I'm saying that those scriptures are cofusing. They are not confusing when you simply accept what they mean. The problem is that you are trying to process them through the filter of your rejection of Jesus' Deity. It is not hard at all. In Phillipians two it shows Jesus emptying Himself, becoming flesh and becoming obedient to death. The clear implication is that Jesus preexisted His earthly appearance and that at that He was not subject to death prior to the cross. It speaks to both Jesus preexistence, which contradicts the notion that He is purely human and it also speaks to His power over death, which no man has ever possessed. Jesus died when He willingly gave up His spirit and left His body. Jesus was not killed or murdered. No one took Jesus life. Only God exercizes personal power over death and only God can lay clay claim to being eternally preexistant both of which Jesus lays claim to. Emptying Himself, what does that even mean?