HopesDaughter

My main reason for your understanding of a mutation was to know if we were on the same page. I am still not sure of that. You listed as examples of a mutation blue eyes and lactose tolerance. Didn

Well my question made a better point. I would like to ask the atheist that started this thread how he would have answered the question and yes I do believe parents have a right to advise their children on who to marry atheists included. Homey don't play the race card. Why do you always think you are the exception to the rule when it comes to morals? Both you and I know our world veiws lead to very different choices about things. There are atheists who are very good people and act more decent than some Christians. I am related to one. Don't know what your bald statement means. I will be back on my faith science thread tomorrow. Tired of forums.

Can you explain what you mean by this statement? Thanks. Didn't you call Ken Ham stupid and then implied that I was stupid? And you want a diologue? I am not the smartest person in the world for sure but I don't walk around calling people stupid to feel superior. Looks like you are having problems understanding too. BTW Ken Ham is a smart individual and you would be smart to recognize this fact.

Would you like a list? Just keeping you on your toes. First inregards to your poll, people have a right to their opinion and you shouldn't be bothered by a poll. Would you as an atheist allow your daughter to marry a Christian? I as a Christian would not be bothered if you answered in the negative. Why do you think that state constitutions conflict with 1st admendment rights? Don't the people have a right to decide the morals of who serves in government at the local, state and even federal levels? Anyway I have been told by many an atheist that atheism isn't a religion so therefore you have no case on which to sue.

That is absolutely the wildest thing! When I was little, if you were lucky enough to own a hand held calculator, you were doing well. When I was a teenager the first Star Wars movie came out and that is when they introduced microwaves. Man, I think our technological advancements and knowledge doubles something like evey 5 years and it could be more even. Where is it in the Bible (maybe Daniel) where it states that "knowledge will run to and fro on the earth." Seems to me we are living it. There is another aspect of this. I was watching the news last night and there was a story on how there are more Americans enjoying the out doors from their sofa by watching nature programs than they do by traveling and viewing personally.

Why not email the person. The person had it in his signiture. Myabe it is listed on his profile. BTW why can't unbelievers not PM people? Sounds like the good ole south when lunch counters in restaurants were segregated.

Lunaskya, Now, why on God

Good, then you won't mind giving me just one fact about evolution. I am not asking you to prove evolution just one little fact. Here are several: Species are distributed in such a way that similar species are geographically close to each other (or it can be demonstrated that their habitats were at one stage linked). Random mutations in DNA have been shown to occur. Some of these random mutations may be beneficial. Individuals of a species that are better adapted to their environment are more likely to survive and procreate than individuals that are less adapted to their environment. Since individuals of a species with certain traits are more successful than individuals without said traits, there will become a point after which said traits will become representative of the population of that species. Newly evolved species have been demonstrated to exist. This includes one species of bacteria which eats nylon. We know that this species could not have existed before 1935, because Nylon was not invented until 1935. I must apologize for taking such a long time in responding and making you wait. My hope is that you are still able to respond to me. I asked for a fact about evolution and you submitted to me these statements that I assume you lifted from some biology text book and represent as true about macroevolution. In reality these are just isolated assertions that fall short of explaining anything. First there would be no disagreement that adaption occurs within a species due to different environmental pressures; but it does not account for the diversity we find in life, nor does it explain

Good, then you won't mind giving me just one fact about evolution. I am not asking you to prove evolution just one little fact.

Hmm....not being an atheist, I won't post opinions here. But...why are you ignoring the only two atheists that have posted on your topic? If rudeness was gold...there would be a bunch of millionaires here on the 'faith vs science' forum. It goes with the territory. Okay....I'm going away now. Glory2000, Did you notice that you did post here and now I am responding to you. There are other atheists I am sure in this forum. "Freefrom faith" sure sounds like one.

This is not the point. By assuming that evolution is the mechanism in which we got here, it shuts out any competitive thought on the subject, and the question of whether we were created is ignored. A scientist whether he be Christian or atheist do not have to invoke God to engage in repeatable, recordable experiments to obtain knowledge of the natural world or make discoveries like cracking the DNA code. So why do the

You're probably referring to my admission that science is necessarily somewhat faith-based. Well, I guess atheists would resist that because they don't want science to be taken with a grain of salt. They don't like the word "faith" because it implies something religious, though it shouldn't necessarily. Almost everything we think and do involves faith of some sort. Atheists profess to stick to reason and while they might do it better than the young Earth crowd not everything is a matter of logic; you need some synthetic starting point and some non-axiomatic principles to guide you. Well don't atheists assume that all there is to life is matter and then look for that evidence? I mean they don't approach science with the attitude there is a designer or God if I am understanding you. So really they are not following the truth where it might necessarily lead. Is this science or religion? I pretty much figured this out by reason and it ain't nothing new. Athiests don't want to play by the rules of science. As I stated on an earlier thread Molecular biology has proven Darwinism is false.

Sure. Science is faith-based in a few limited respects. Of course, almost every intellectual endeavor is somewhat faith-based. Those that aren't, like math and logic, are purely abstract. Making any kind of generalization about the world usually requires a small leap of faith in the forum of background assumptions. I'm tempted to say God. He made Creation, after all, so it seems reasonable to assume He created the laws the govern it.

' Hopes Daughter= From my perspective 'real' science makes assumptions and then tests or makes observations to see whether these assumptions are true or false. [quote name='The Lorax' date='Jan 16 2008, 07:48 PM' post='1085579' Not always. Even unmistakably "real" sciences like physics make a few fundamental assumptions that can't be tested. For instance, physicists assume the particles we've observed in our neck of the universe behave the same everywhere in the universe, even in the parts we won't ever see. They assume all cosmological constants (like the magnitude of gravity, the speed of light, etc) are constant across all space and all time, and this of course can't be proved. It is commonplace for scientists to *project* observations onto the rest of the universe and these prjojections can't be tested exhaustively. Some assumptions, though untestable, are considered justified. It depends on the nature and implications of the assumption. Now I know I shouldn't talk, being a Christian, but I'm wondering why your question is aimed specifically at atheists, HopesDaughter? Thank you for explaining. What you have written makes perfect sense because we live in an ordered universe where, if we can ascertain certain constant physical laws about that universe, such as magnatude of gravity, those laws would have to pertain to all the universe or we could not comprehend them. Does this sound reasonable to you? So here we operate on faith? Correct? Where do you believe these laws came from? Just curious. To answer your question atheists who call themselves atheists on this thread will be telling the truth. The Christians, don