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A pre-tribulation discussion: A careful study of the book of Daniel and Revelation makes me question my long held thoughts about the timing of some events. The Rapture doesn't trigger the immediate start of the tribulation, the confirming of a seven year peace agreement with Israel and the many by the Antichrist does. It now appears to me, there well may be a period of unspecified time between the Rapture and start of the tribulation. Where does it say or imply any or all the seal judgments are confined to the tribulation period? Some, most or all of them appears they could occur between the Rapture and tribulation, given the sequence of events and the Antichrist coming into his own? Revelation 6:9 (KJV) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? [emphasis added] If these martyred Saints are in the tribulation period; they wouldn't need to ask 'how long', as just like you and I, they would know by scripture to the day how long before Christ's second coming. I believe the following verse is talking about their breathern, the tribulation Saints. Revelation 6:11 (KJV) And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. [emphasis added] Therefore; could we be seeing the 'birth pangs' about to start in earnest, if this speculation and hermeneutic view is accurate? Thoughts??

Watching Fox news and everything that is going on. The things President Trump is doing trying to revive our nation economically and spiritually, his consistent referral to God. His Supreme Court nominee and Vice President also invoking the name of the Lord. Things seem like they are going to head in a better direction, and it seems Conservatives, Constitutionalists and Christians are relaxing and preparing for a better America and a better future (less the subversives, Democrats, Progressives and Socialists). We don't know the date or time of the coming of the Lord for His Church. Jesus will come as a thief in the night when we least expect Him. I got to pondering with myself... It seems many people expect Christ's return for His bride (Harpazo / Rapture) when things are looking gloomy, and the Lord's prophecies are being rapidly fulfilled. It appears to me the immediate national outlook (look at the record stock market, jobs, economy, security, etc.) and global prosperity and security is prospering greatly and is going to continue. I'm wondering with our temporary flux of national hope and national prosperity, we might be letting our guard down and not watching for Christ's return? Could when we least expect it mean, when everything is turning around and things are rosy before the ultimate decline? Just a pondering of an old man and wishful thinking I suppose? We're so very close...