Guest yod Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 So all you who claim to be Conservative War loving Bush supporters might want to consider rounding up & incarcerating everyone everyone who disagrees with the war agenda of king Bush, then none of those dissenting votes will count. Wow what a great idea! talk about arrogant.....king bush? incarceration? You guys dish it out and then whine at the expected response. When the bush-haters knock it off....that will be the end of it. Proverbs 22:10 Drive out the mocker, and out goes strife; quarrels and insults are ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 624 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2004 35 USAF Bases Within Range On 911 The 7 Air Stations On Full Alert Covering The Continental United States And 28 More Air Stations That Were In Range Of The 4 Airliners On 911 The following list were the seven Air Stations that were armed and on full alert to protect the continental United States on Tuesday September 11, 2001. The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall Air Force Base (AFB) in Panama City, Florida. The Air National Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fully armed fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Tyndall AFB, alert birds also sit armed and ready at; Homestead Air Reserve Base (ARB), Homestead, Florida; Langley AFB, Hampton, Virginia; Otis Air National Guard (ANG), Falmouth, Massachusetts; Oregon ANG, Portland, Oregon; March ARB, Riverside, California; and Ellington ANG, Houston, Texas. http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1299/home2.htm Beside the 7 Air Station on full alert covering the continental United States, here are 28 more Air stations that could have done something -- if they were left to do their job. The following happened on September 11, 2001; At 10:01 a.m. the FAA ordered the 180th Fighter Wing out of Swanton, Ohio to scramble their F-16 fighters. Although the base has no fighters on stand-by alert status, it manages to put fighters in the air 16 minutes later, a "phenomenal" response time - but still 11 minutes after the last hijacked plane has crashed. One interesting aspect is that NORAD has explained that it didn't scramble fighters from bases nearer to the hijacked planes because they only used bases in the NORAD defensive network. Yet the 180th Fighter Wing out of Swanton, Ohio wasn't part of that network, so why weren't planes at other bases scrambled at 8:20 or 8:40 or 8:43 or 8:46:26 or 9:02:54 or 9:24 or at the very least at 9:37? Maybe some of these Air station could have managed to get fighters up just as fast as the 180th Fighter Wing. Why weren't they? Stand Down. Andrews AFB 11 miles SE of Washington D.C. Bolling AFB 3 miles south of US Capitol Dover AFB Dover, DE Hanscom AFB 17 miles northwest of Boston, MA McGuire AFB 18 miles southeast of Trenton, NJ Wright-Patterson AFB Dayton, OH Cape Cod, MA AFS New Boston, NH AFS Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve Bases Atlantic City Airport, NJ 10 miles west of Atlantic City Barnes Municipal Airport, MA 3 miles northwest of Westfield Bradley International Airport, CN Windsor Locks Byrd Field, VA 4 miles southeast of Richmond Eastern West Virginia Regional Airport 4 miles south of Martinsburg Frances S. Gabreski Airport, NY Westhampton Beach Greater Pittsburgh International Airport, PA 15 miles nw of Pittsburgh Harrisburg International Airport, PA 10 miles east of Harrisburg Martin State Airport, MD 8 miles east of Baltimore New Castle County Airport, DE 5 miles south of Wilmington Pease ANGS, NH Portsmouth Quonset State Airport, RI Providence Rickenbacker ANGB, OH Columbus, Oh Stewart International Airport, NY Newburgh, NY Toledo Express Airport, Swanton, Ohio Westover ARB, MA 5 miles northeast of Chicopee Willow Grove Naval Air Station, PA 14 miles north of Philadelphia Yeager Airport, WVA 4 miles northeast of Charleston Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport ARS, OH 16 miles north of Youngstown Also, there is an Air Defense Intercept Zone just off shore for the entire Atlantic Coast. This zone is constantly being patrolled. In general fast movers would not need to be scrambled. They can be diverted from routine patrol and training flights for the intercept. The odds are that on a beautiful blue morning in September many flights would be on patrol just off shore. It would be most improbable that even one commercial flight could go more than fifteen minutes without being intercepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senerhu Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2004 35 USAF Bases Within Range On 911 The 7 Air Stations On Full Alert Covering The Continental United States And 28 More Air Stations That Were In Range Of The 4 Airliners On 911 The following list were the seven Air Stations that were armed and on full alert to protect the continental United States on Tuesday September 11, 2001. The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall Air Force Base (AFB) in Panama City, Florida. The Air National Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fully armed fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Tyndall AFB, alert birds also sit armed and ready at; Homestead Air Reserve Base (ARB), Homestead, Florida; Langley AFB, Hampton, Virginia; Otis Air National Guard (ANG), Falmouth, Massachusetts; Oregon ANG, Portland, Oregon; March ARB, Riverside, California; and Ellington ANG, Houston, Texas. http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1299/home2.htm Beside the 7 Air Station on full alert covering the continental United States, here are 28 more Air stations that could have done something -- if they were left to do their job. The following happened on September 11, 2001; At 10:01 a.m. the FAA ordered the 180th Fighter Wing out of Swanton, Ohio to scramble their F-16 fighters. Although the base has no fighters on stand-by alert status, it manages to put fighters in the air 16 minutes later, a "phenomenal" response time - but still 11 minutes after the last hijacked plane has crashed. One interesting aspect is that NORAD has explained that it didn't scramble fighters from bases nearer to the hijacked planes because they only used bases in the NORAD defensive network. Yet the 180th Fighter Wing out of Swanton, Ohio wasn't part of that network, so why weren't planes at other bases scrambled at 8:20 or 8:40 or 8:43 or 8:46:26 or 9:02:54 or 9:24 or at the very least at 9:37? Maybe some of these Air station could have managed to get fighters up just as fast as the 180th Fighter Wing. Why weren't they? Stand Down. Andrews AFB 11 miles SE of Washington D.C. Bolling AFB 3 miles south of US Capitol Dover AFB Dover, DE Hanscom AFB 17 miles northwest of Boston, MA McGuire AFB 18 miles southeast of Trenton, NJ Wright-Patterson AFB Dayton, OH Cape Cod, MA AFS New Boston, NH AFS Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve Bases Atlantic City Airport, NJ 10 miles west of Atlantic City Barnes Municipal Airport, MA 3 miles northwest of Westfield Bradley International Airport, CN Windsor Locks Byrd Field, VA 4 miles southeast of Richmond Eastern West Virginia Regional Airport 4 miles south of Martinsburg Frances S. Gabreski Airport, NY Westhampton Beach Greater Pittsburgh International Airport, PA 15 miles nw of Pittsburgh Harrisburg International Airport, PA 10 miles east of Harrisburg Martin State Airport, MD 8 miles east of Baltimore New Castle County Airport, DE 5 miles south of Wilmington Pease ANGS, NH Portsmouth Quonset State Airport, RI Providence Rickenbacker ANGB, OH Columbus, Oh Stewart International Airport, NY Newburgh, NY Toledo Express Airport, Swanton, Ohio Westover ARB, MA 5 miles northeast of Chicopee Willow Grove Naval Air Station, PA 14 miles north of Philadelphia Yeager Airport, WVA 4 miles northeast of Charleston Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport ARS, OH 16 miles north of Youngstown Also, there is an Air Defense Intercept Zone just off shore for the entire Atlantic Coast. This zone is constantly being patrolled. In general fast movers would not need to be scrambled. They can be diverted from routine patrol and training flights for the intercept. The odds are that on a beautiful blue morning in September many flights would be on patrol just off shore. It would be most improbable that even one commercial flight could go more than fifteen minutes without being intercepted. Those changes didn't take effect until after 9/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 624 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2004 Those changes didn't take effect until after 9/11 NO. They were in place BEFORE 9/11. IGNORAD The Military Screw-up Nobody Talks About by Scott Shugar http://AttackOnAmerica.net/IGNORAD.htm With a minute-by-minute chronology from 7:59 a.m. till 10:06:05 a.m., this article will dismantle the Wednesday September 18, 2001 North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) Press Release. This press release encompasses the (supposed) response times of the United States Air Force on Tuesday, September 11, 2001. This article will explain to you exactly what happened for the almost one hour and fifty-three minutes that elapsed between the time American Airlines Flight 11 lost voice contact with air traffic control and was hijacked at 8:13:31, till the time United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania at 10:06:05. NORAD Press Release: http://StandDown.net/NORADSeptember182001PressRelease.htm AP Article On NORAD PR: http://www.AttackOnAmerica.net/8MinutesAway.htm Also, when reading this article, please keep in mind the following five very significant pieces of information. 1) The United States Government will spend more on the military in fiscal year 2003, than all the rest of the countries on Earth combined. Current expenditures are 437 billion and our past obligations are 339 billion, this equals 776 billion. Forty-six percent of our Taxes go to the Military Industrial Complex: http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm This figure doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kitkat Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Those changes didn't take effect until after 9/11 NO. They were in place BEFORE 9/11. IGNORAD The Military Screw-up Nobody Talks About by Scott Shugar http://AttackOnAmerica.net/IGNORAD.htm With a minute-by-minute chronology from 7:59 a.m. till 10:06:05 a.m., this article will dismantle the Wednesday September 18, 2001 North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) Press Release. This press release encompasses the (supposed) response times of the United States Air Force on Tuesday, September 11, 2001. This article will explain to you exactly what happened for the almost one hour and fifty-three minutes that elapsed between the time American Airlines Flight 11 lost voice contact with air traffic control and was hijacked at 8:13:31, till the time United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania at 10:06:05. NORAD Press Release: http://StandDown.net/NORADSeptember182001PressRelease.htm AP Article On NORAD PR: http://www.AttackOnAmerica.net/8MinutesAway.htm Also, when reading this article, please keep in mind the following five very significant pieces of information. 1) The United States Government will spend more on the military in fiscal year 2003, than all the rest of the countries on Earth combined. Current expenditures are 437 billion and our past obligations are 339 billion, this equals 776 billion. Forty-six percent of our Taxes go to the Military Industrial Complex: http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm This figure doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 624 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2004 Problem is KitKat your own source said more than 50% was moderate in that thread. And I quoted the sources. Besides the articles have pure facts in them much of it taken from the FAA and military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Steff...can we agree that this was an unprecedented event? I saw someone talking about this situation the other night. NORAD is extremely well prepared for an enemy attack, yes. The problem was that the FAA is in charge of all domestic flights and the FAA waited too long to give the order to intercept. Even then it was still a situation where the chain of command had to make some political decisions about shooting down civilian airliners...and it was better to err on the side of caution than to just start shooting planes out of the sky. Now they have contingency plans for this in place and it won't happen again....but there was lots of confusion over what to do and who had the authority to make the decisions that day....and a little hesitation was all it took. Why does everything have to be a NWO conspiracy? I have thought of another possibility. Maybe...just maybe...a professional terrorist group did their homework for a few years and knew the right time to attack? Is it possible that our enemy isn't completely without mental resources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senerhu Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2004 Steff...can we agree that this was an unprecedented event? I saw someone talking about this situation the other night. NORAD is extremely well prepared for an enemy attack, yes. The problem was that the FAA is in charge of all domestic flights and the FAA waited too long to give the order to intercept. Even then it was still a situation where the chain of command had to make some political decisions about shooting down civilian airliners...and it was better to err on the side of caution than to just start shooting planes out of the sky. Now they have contingency plans for this in place and it won't happen again....but there was lots of confusion over what to do and who had the authority to make the decisions that day....and a little hesitation was all it took. Why does everything have to be a NWO conspiracy? I have thought of another possibility. Maybe...just maybe...a professional terrorist group did their homework for a few years and knew the right time to attack? Is it possible that our enemy isn't completely without mental resources? the chain of command to shout down a civilian aircraft didn't come along until after 9/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senerhu Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2004 Problem is KitKat your own source said more than 50% was moderate in that thread. And I quoted the sources. Besides the articles have pure facts in them much of it taken from the FAA and military. but you are comparing moderates in media to moderates in the general public...remember. that article said that moderates in the media are more liberal than their civilian counterparts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 624 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2004 the chain of command to shout down a civilian aircraft didn't come along until after 9/11 Untrue - Look at the data pre-9/11 and you'll find that to be false. Why does everything have to be a NWO conspiracy? Did I say conspiracy? I just said that there isn't a good reason they failed to intercept the aircraft. Draw your own conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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