Slippery Slope Posted December 2, 2004 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/19/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/24/1965 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Until you can rectify this answer, there is no point arguing about what is "righteous" or "unrighteous" concerning the Iraq situation you asked about. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can rectify it and I understand what you are trying to say. I guess the question now becomes "was it righteous to go to war with Iraq". So far NOTHING that was used as a reason to go to war has turned out to be correct. Except of course that Saddam was an evil dictator. Which in and of itself is not a righteous cause to kill other people. Still waiting -SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Until you can rectify this answer, there is no point arguing about what is "righteous" or "unrighteous" concerning the Iraq situation you asked about. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can rectify it and I understand what you are trying to say. I guess the question now becomes "was it righteous to go to war with Iraq". So far NOTHING that was used as a reason to go to war has turned out to be correct. Except of course that Saddam was an evil dictator. Which in and of itself is not a righteous cause to kill other people. Still waiting -SS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> SS, The moderators felt that your discussion the commandments were appropirate for this thread, and it has been established that you misunderstood the 6th commandment. Complaining about the war in Iraq is outside the scope of this thread. If you want to discuss what was brought up in the OP, fine. You can find plenty of people willing to discuss the war in Iraq with you in the WOT forum. You are not going to hijack this thread as platform to start a political debate about your feelings about what we are doing in Iraq. Please go to the War On Terrorism forum to vent your frustrations about Bush and Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Slope Posted December 3, 2004 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/19/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/24/1965 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Until you can rectify this answer, there is no point arguing about what is "righteous" or "unrighteous" concerning the Iraq situation you asked about. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can rectify it and I understand what you are trying to say. I guess the question now becomes "was it righteous to go to war with Iraq". So far NOTHING that was used as a reason to go to war has turned out to be correct. Except of course that Saddam was an evil dictator. Which in and of itself is not a righteous cause to kill other people. Still waiting -SS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> SS, The moderators felt that your discussion the commandments were appropirate for this thread, and it has been established that you misunderstood the 6th commandment. Complaining about the war in Iraq is outside the scope of this thread. If you want to discuss what was brought up in the OP, fine. You can find plenty of people willing to discuss the war in Iraq with you in the WOT forum. You are not going to hijack this thread as platform to start a political debate about your feelings about what we are doing in Iraq. Please go to the War On Terrorism forum to vent your frustrations about Bush and Iraq. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually it has not been established that I misunderstood the 6th commandment because I don't agree with that interpretation. A discussion on that would be outside the scope of this thread. However, as OneAccord said, a discussion on Xian world views can and probably should include a brief jog into politics. I am not trying to "hijack" this thread as a platform to rant about Iraq. I do think it's a relative question to ask how Christians can support a political leader who is clearly violating fundamental Christian beliefs. I'm sorry if you don't like the context or the direction of the thread. Still waiting -SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 3, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Actually it has not been established that I misunderstood the 6th commandment because I don't agree with that interpretation. A discussion on that would be outside the scope of this thread. However, as OneAccord said, a discussion on Xian world views can and probably should include a brief jog into politics. I am not trying to "hijack" this thread as a platform to rant about Iraq. I do think it's a relative question to ask how Christians can support a political leader who is clearly violating fundamental Christian beliefs. I'm sorry if you don't like the context or the direction of the thread. Still waiting -SS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually SS, Unless it is established that the war in Iraq is "clearly violating fundamental Christian beliefs," we cannot discuss the issue further in context of this thread. So, how do you understand the Lord saying in one place, "Do not kill," and then in another place saying, "Kill them all"? I can rectify it and I understand what you are trying to say. I guess the question now becomes "was it righteous to go to war with Iraq". So far NOTHING that was used as a reason to go to war has turned out to be correct. Except of course that Saddam was an evil dictator. Which in and of itself is not a righteous cause to kill other people. Still waiting -SS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Again, to put things back in context, what do you know of the Lord's righteousness? I am not asking for your interpretation of what you have heard Christians saying, I want to know what you know personally know of His righteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Slope Posted December 3, 2004 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/19/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/24/1965 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Actually it has not been established that I misunderstood the 6th commandment because I don't agree with that interpretation. A discussion on that would be outside the scope of this thread. However, as OneAccord said, a discussion on Xian world views can and probably should include a brief jog into politics. I am not trying to "hijack" this thread as a platform to rant about Iraq. I do think it's a relative question to ask how Christians can support a political leader who is clearly violating fundamental Christian beliefs. I'm sorry if you don't like the context or the direction of the thread. Still waiting -SS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually SS, Unless it is established that the war in Iraq is "clearly violating fundamental Christian beliefs," we cannot discuss the issue further in context of this thread. So, how do you understand the Lord saying in one place, "Do not kill," and then in another place saying, "Kill them all"? Explaining that to you would get me banned for sure I can rectify it and I understand what you are trying to say. I guess the question now becomes "was it righteous to go to war with Iraq". So far NOTHING that was used as a reason to go to war has turned out to be correct. Except of course that Saddam was an evil dictator. Which in and of itself is not a righteous cause to kill other people. Still waiting -SS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Again, to put things back in context, what do you know of the Lord's righteousness? I am not asking for your interpretation of what you have heard Christians saying, I want to know what you know personally know of His righteousness. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That question can only return a subjective answer of which neither you nor I have the truth and are therefore unable to judge said answer. Tsk tsk, you should know better. Still waiting -SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Actually it has not been established that I misunderstood the 6th commandment because I don't agree with that interpretation. A discussion on that would be outside the scope of this thread. However, as OneAccord said, a discussion on Xian world views can and probably should include a brief jog into politics. I am not trying to "hijack" this thread as a platform to rant about Iraq. I do think it's a relative question to ask how Christians can support a political leader who is clearly violating fundamental Christian beliefs. I'm sorry if you don't like the context or the direction of the thread. War is not a violation of funadmental Christian beliefs. Nebula masterfully explained that it was a commandment not to murder, or wantonly take the life of an innnocent person; it did not refer merely to "killling." You may not like that, but Hebrew means what it means. Discussing your opinion of President Bush is outside the scope of this thread. If you want to discuss war and how it fits into the ethical framwork of a Christian worldview, then fine. Take your opinions about Iraq and feelings about that specific war, to the WOT forum. That is where such a topic is appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 4, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Well, SS - Since you cannot answer my questions, I cannot answer yours. UWithout a common basis of understanding, there's no moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneAccord Posted December 4, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,587 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 4, 2004 War is not a violation of funadmental Christian beliefs. It violates mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 War is not a violation of funadmental Christian beliefs. It violates mine. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, if it wasn't for those willing to go to war, you would be living in a country where you would be killed for voicing your oppostion to the government. The reason you can criticize Bush is because that freedom was payed for by someone else's blood. You practice freedoms that were secured for you by war. If you war is immoral for you, then any freedoms that were secured by war should be likewise immoral to you, since they were gained by immoral means. You should not vote, you should not participate in your 1st admendment right to freedom of speech, You should not participate in the freedom to choose your own religious convictions, etc. If you choose to participate in freedoms achieved by immoral means, then you are no different than a person that purchases and enjoys a Television that he knows is stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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