Science capitulates the universe could have been created in...

[Schouwenaars]

i don't understand what you are trying to say in the beginpost.

[BoddhiBody]

 

The source claims: "The Greeks were the first to see celestial events as phenomena, subject to human investigation."

How could anyone know that? How do they know that the Chinese didn't beat them to it, or perhaps the Booga-Booga tribe of Borneo or some unknown tribe of Eskimos in antiquity? How does he know that Lugalzagesi in Uruk didn't have a band of celestial investigators?

Investigation? Hummm. We can observe and make up hypotheses to explain what we see, but can we really investigate what we cannot get near?

 

Perhaps the Greeks were the first to RECORD their ideas.....anyone who didn't record such things will never be known, even if they were the first. 

 

And just like the greeks might have been the first to record the ideas, so to speculate on who did it before is fruitless, so the idea that the  'creation of the Earth was  in an infantesimally small time' tries to look 'before' the universe 'existed', thus before time was a factor in it - before there could possible be a 'before' or 'after'.

 

It is silly to look for what exists outside 'existence' itself.

 

As Hawking says:

 

in 1915, Einstein introduced his revolutionary General Theory of Relativity. In this, space and time were no longer Absolute, no longer a fixed background to events. Instead, they were dynamical relative quantities that were shaped by the matter and energy in the universe. They were defined only within the universe, so it made no sense to talk of a time before the universe began. It would be like asking for a point south of the South Pole. It is not defined'

 

In other words, it's impossible to find a time before time. It doesn't compute. It doesn't work. It can't work because the concept of time depends on the existence of things and the motion of parts.

 

The universe, in the most broad sense, is an eternal thing. It does not 'begin'. 

 

Time certainly begins, but before time is an abstract concept unable to be conceptualized. You can't have something that's 'before' time. Before and after are temporal concepts. Temporarily applied to that without time is just not possible.

Edited June 18, 2014 by BoddhiBody

[Schouwenaars]

You are correct that there cannot be any time before the beginning of time in our universe. But outside our universe, in the multiverse if it exists, time continues and has existed before the beginning of time in our universe.