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  1. Jesus told the thief on the cross next to him "Today you will be with me in Paradise." (Luke 23:39-43) The first will be last. And the last will be first. The thief on the cross believed in Jesus at the last possible moment he could have. And he became the first man to go directly to heaven in his death. Luke 16:19–31 (AV) 19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. The scene takes place in the grave / gehenna which is a holding pattern for the spirits of the dead until Judgment Day. The side of the promise (called Abraham's Bosom) has been empty since Jesus went there in Spirit, declared the victory to the two other sides (the abyss / great gulf in the middle is for the spirits of fallen angels), and took those spirits in Abraham's Bosom to heaven. 1 Peter 3:18–19 (AV) 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Ephesians 4:8–10 (AV) 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) All this took place in a very brief amount of time. Jesus' body was three days and three nights in the tomb but his Spirit was in Paradise before sunset three hours after his death. The objection to this is based on a misinterpretation of John 20:17... John 20:17 (AV) 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. The error of the detractors is that they are not taking into account that Jesus made this statement after his resurrection. He had not yet ascended to the Father in his resurrected body. There is no scripture at all to indicate Jesus was not in heaven in his disembodied Spirit prior to that point in time. None. Study 1 Corinthians 12 and 2 Corinthians 12 and learn that until the general resurrection, all who go to heaven in death (in Christ) do so in disembodied spirits. These are what are reunited with their bodies that will be raised at that time. Some have claimed Paradise in Luke 23:43 refers to Abraham's Bosom (Luke 16:19-31) because of the misinterpretation of John 20:17. But "paradise" appears only three times in scripture. Each time it is referring to the third heaven where God is (2 Corinthians 12:1-4). The thief on the cross? First man to go directly to heaven in death (in disembodied spirit)? John 19:31–37 (AV) 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. 33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: 34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. All accounts place Jesus' death at 3PM. sunset at 6PM began the sabbath / preparation day. Breaking the legs of the other two on crosses would bring death by asphyxiation in only minutes. Jesus and the former inhabitants of Abraham's Bosom in gehenna were already in heaven by the time the thief died on the cross. I cannot listen to this song by Don Francisco without bawling like a baby. "Too Small a Price" by Don Francisco Believers ever since go directly (in spirit) to be with the Lord in heaven. Philippians 1:21–24 (AV) 21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: 24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
  2. I see what you are saying. But the judgment of believers took place on the cross. There appears to be a judgment for reward for what was done after coming to Christ in faith. Even if we do nothing after that but sin... 1 Corinthians 5:5 speaks of being secure in salvation and: 1 Corinthians 3:12–15 (AV) 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
  3. Good point. And there are times when that is possible. Do you believe it is possible to do this all of the time?
  4. Leviticus 20:11 (AV) 11 And the man that lieth with his father’s wife hath uncovered his father’s nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Just so folks are clear the idiom is about having sex. The only logical conclusion is that the account in Genesis 9 is a generalization that left out specific details and at least a 9 month gap of time... in that Canaan is the byproduct of Ham and his mother doing just what Leviticus 20:11 says. Apparently, Lot and his daughters are not the first time something like this has happened. No telling what all took place prior to the flood with all the other people who perished. The Bible spares us many vile details, but we cannot lapse into a Pollyanna mentality over just how wicked human beings are / can be. To do so is one of the problems Jesus faced with the Sanhedrin over their own self righteousness. Jesus did not even bother with them. "I came to heal the sick." he told them. They needed salvation. But they needed to face that need and not deny it. Our denial lowers our guard, causes us to be unprepared, adds to the severity of our dilemmas, and leads us to utter bewilderment when we wake up one day and ask "How did I end up here?" Human nature is satanic. That's the gist of Matthew 16:13-23 (note the comparisons between the ways of God and the ways of man ← which Jesus attributes to the devil (this is why he called Peter Satan). John 8:44 calling those who oppose him sons of the devil. 1 John 2:22. We believe in Jesus. Hallelujah! But that does not mean our fallen sin nature is anything less than it was before. We are fronted the righteousness of Christ. Why? To focus on this phase of God's plan God's mission: Evangelism. Taking part in getting others saved. And part of what hinders this focus is the denial about ourselves and each other. Couple that with ignorance about this focus, blend in the seduction of worldliness, and we have a world going to hell with an organized tradition of man church posing as the true body of Christ (and believers supporting it rather than being the True Body of Christ Church ← which would require us to serve God rather than ourselves).
  5. Agreed. But why did Noah curse Canaan only of all Ham's children?
  6. Several adult themed discussions were started in the adults only part of this forum. Folks either don't remember the area is there, or they shy away from it. Certainly not for reasons of indulgence they may have to refrain from. LOL That was mean. Here lately I am confronted often with the question who's to say what is acceptable behavior? speech? dress? ogling? interaction with the opposite sex? Talk about an exercise in relativity... the most telling is, however, the behavior of Christians when they are in or near a Church building as opposed to at home watching the game when a bad call is made by the officials. Or being out with the girls. (During a brief stint as a limo driver in Southern California, I did one and only one girl's night out... til 2AM. I thought guys were bad...) Or watching the girls being out together. Who's to say? Frank Peretti once did a series called "The Chair." ← I highly recommend it. It's point is there is no moral anchor on which to base anything other than the Word of God. All else falls under the category of fads, popular opinion, desensitization, relativism... etc. God is to say. But, who listens to God?
  7. Genesis 9:18–29 (AV) 18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. 19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. 20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness. 24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. 25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. 26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. 29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.
  8. A wise person once told me... every time the devil reminds you of your past, remind him of his future. It puts things in perspective. Yes, there were times I literally mouthed the words. But I also advise caution in "speaking to the devils." One can find themselves in over their heads p.d.q. they've been around a lot longer than us. Some believers have the ministry and calling to do this sort of thing. Thankfully I do not. But you get the idea...
  9. Put it into practical use. Study how to answer the cults, for example. Apologetics. That was my inspiration / motivation at first, then how to witness to Jews from just the Old Testament. I also wore out a set of Bible on cassette tapes (that's how long ago I had this voracious appetite to study the Bible). I believe I completed several dozen times through the whole Bible. It took 72 hours to go through the whole Bible on cassette (Steven B. Stevens reads much faster than I) LOL . There are topical Bibles etc. Also find a translation that you understand best (or that you will simply read). I started out with NIV, then NASB, and I use KJV mostly to teach and to witness as it is the most accessible to extended Bible software aps... also the KJV is the oldest translation in (popular) English translation. All translations have "difficulties" but the older ones are more readily known so we can go to the Greek a find that the word "prevent" in 1 Thessalonian 4:15 doesn't mean halt or forestall but to pre-advent / arrive ahead of time. Once you get the gist of what the Word of God is about, it is easy for the Holy Spirit to guide you through the multiple English translation. That brings up another good point. Where to begin. This one is less about where you or I are comfortable with beginning or where we simply choose to begin. The point being made here is that we are to begin with the knowledge and vantage point that the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible (through the prophets he directly inspired) and he alone is the interpreter of the Bible. Without this starting place, everyone will learn eventually they climbed up the wrong theological ladder. 2 Peter 1:20–21 (AV) 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 1 John 4:1 Acts 17:11 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Deuteronomy 29:29 Proverbs 25:2 Isaiah 28:9-13 1 Thessalonian 5:21 Deuteronomy 12:32 (the Law) Proverbs 30:5-6 (the Writings) Revelation 22:18-19 (the Prophets) It's amazing how scripture reading and study comes alive once you allow God to tell his own story. The Bible is an integrated message system engineered by the Holy Spirit to get the message of Jesus Christ across to the lost in this dying sinful world. The Old Testament contains the New Testament concealed. The New Testament contains the Old Testament revealed. If you have questions about anything, write them down. Pray for the Holy Spirit to enlighten you. When he answers be sure to write it down next to the question. Journaling is a good way to study the Bible.
  10. Matthew 3:11 (AV) 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Fire for judgment (unbelief) Holy Ghost for belief (salvation) John 3:16–18 (AV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Ephesians 2:8–10 (AV) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. John 16:26–27 (AV) 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
  11. Were all these 13 points on Tisha b'Av?
  12. I hesitate to enter this conversation. For I have known such desperation as you appear to be having (many many years ago). I know how it is to be convinced I was searching for answers, when in fact I was in denial. ← and how even being told this seemed absurd and not to apply to me. But in hopes you will heed this, and it can help you to heal over a broken heart, I'll plunge into the conversation. I believe the LORD can and does talk to us. Sometimes directly. Sometimes through the words other people speak (usually that we overhear). I also know the devil speaks to us (feigning to be God). This is why we are to test the spirits (1 John 4:1). By the Bible (Acts 17:11). Joseph Smith Junior was visited by demons and started the Christian cult Mormonism / LDS. You couldn't tell him it wasn't God that visited him. He was convinced. Ask yourself... no one here is judging you... but you have to be honest with yourself... how did you test the spirits you encountered? And did it even enter your mind to test the spirits she claimed to have been visited by? If this was all from God. I F. Then, what happened is a set back and what God said will come true eventually. I F. Even in fiction, Anakin Skywalker did not bring balance to the Force (as prophesied) until after being Darth Vader for decades. If this was not from God, then the fact that none of what the spirits said ever comes true... is the absolute proof they were not from God. If... it was from God, then you should be asking him, not other people, "what gives?" Just remember to prove any response you get with the scriptures.
  13. The same way everyone deals with it (including those you are worried about judging you), for we all have past sins we find hard to forgive ourselves for... Give it to God and trust him that he can take care of it. You'll drive yourself insane trying to carry these kinds of burdens on your own. Anyone would.
  14. It appears my Beloved has a relapse of the shingles. Your prayers are making it more tolerable. The last time was the worst case scenario (PAIN). This time seems less agonizing like it was caught at an earlier stage... Your ongoing prayers are appreciated immensely. My pain (long list of possibilities from research on the internet) is draining at times but today when I found my physician is out of town til Tuesday I did not feel compelled to go to the nurse practitioner instead (believing the Doctor would know more about what this "isn't" than the nurse (and my family and I would be spared a lot of costly / time consuming / emotional tests and scares). It could be very serious. It could be many things less serious. It's not getting better. But it's not getting worse (the drain on my energy could be due to the heat and humidity on my mail route). I have taken myself off of the schedule at Walmart (my second job) for the time being. Please pray for us. Thank you!
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