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  1. Hebrews 9:16–17 (AV) 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. When did Jesus die on the cross? So, the example you gave was an Old Testament question n Old Testament times given an Old Testament answer. And compared to a text that is obviously on this side of the cross... Remember even the disciples did not understand the cross. And he foretold them of it. To answer with a New Testament answer would have not been understood.
  2. So it really comes down to accepting the biblical evidence as fact. We accept that dad is our father and mom is our mother and on and on... But God, for some reason must bow to our opinions, feelings, interpretations... ick!
  3. Imagine for a moment an extraterrestrial being (humor me for the illustration purposes)... that is three individuals making up one being or unit. ← and they are the only one of their kind. The closest thing to that on Earth is a family. And at one point Adam, Eve, and Cain fully qualified in this example as they were the only one of their kind. A family of humans. Take from the equation the need to procreate, for spirits do not reproduce, and certainly God does not (Isaiah 43:10-11). Family would take on a different definition and meaning. ← I say this only for the opposition that tries to interfere with people's understanding of this by misquoting me (I do not say God is a Family) but if God were... it would not be in the same sense of daddy mommy kiddo. Nnn-kay? BTW God and angels are extraterrestrials (not of this world).
  4. Remember, this isn't one divine individual in three modes. They interact. They are contemporary. One sends the other two into the world. Two submit to one. Each do unique things. Jesus is Creator / Savior. The Holy Spirit is the Revelator / Author of the Bible The Father is the Ultimate Authority / Creator of only the body of Jesus.
  5. How many Gods are there? The Bible says one. Deuteronomy 6:4 (NIV84) 4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
  6. The Holy Spirit is in the words of Jesus another comforter (in the Greek "another of the same kind") who the Bible clearly teaches is God: John 14:16–17 (NIV84) 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. Acts 5:3–4 (NIV84) 3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.” Acts 13:1–2 (NIV84) 1 In the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”
  7. Jesus (in Spirit) is God enough to create the entire universe AND the spirit realm by himself alone... Isaiah 44:24 (NIV84) 24 “This is what the Lord says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the Lord, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself, John 1:1–3 (NIV84) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. Colossians 1:13–16 (NIV84) 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
  8. Well. Let's look at what the Bible says. The Father has ultimate authority (which the Son and the Spirit submit to). Acts 1:6–7 (NIV84) 6 So when they met together, they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. Matthew 24:36 (NIV84) 36 “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
  9. I sound like a broken record, I know... The over all point Jesus was driving at in Matthew 16:13-23 was the distinction between the things of God versus the things of man (which ultimately comes from Satan which is why Jesus called Peter that). 1 Corinthians 2 delves into this deeper and Proverbs 14:12 and 16:25 summarize this verbatim. We also have factors of satanic infiltration into the Church via Roman Catholicism (which the Roman Empire morphed into) and Protestant reformation movements that did not reform enough... The Church Organization sets itself up as the Body of Christ to the world. But the Church Organism truly is. Trouble is, extremely few believers in Jesus Christ know this. Most are leery of dealing with the subject (mainly because they want to continue passing the buck of their own calling / duty to Christ on to a "professional" Christian... or there have been several who pointed these flaws out before to develop cult followings of their own). The best way to evangelize the world in every generation is on an individual basis (which is how the Church Organism is set up beginning with conversion to faith in Christ). We are priests of God as believers in his Son. We have individual callings of various kinds and individual ministries according to the calling and gifting of the Lord. Nothing stymies this more than the Organization which moots so many of these by simple falsified classification (clergy / laity). Further it foists humanist traditions and other than Holy Spirit interpretations of the Bible causing division and [again] stymied ministries / evangelism. Pick and choose theology / Bible study is as old as the hills and as diverse as the divisions in the Church Organization... Pauline theology / doctrines are among the many rejected truths in the Bible. No surprise here.
  10. Three spatial dimensions. Everywhere all the time all at once there is height, length, width (from the greatest expanse to the smallest division). One universe. Somethings one simply has to accept as is. (not meaning it is unexplained but rather is simply fact).
  11. This among many other things in life one simply has to accept as is.
  12. Mispellers of the World... UNTIE!
  13. Watch the Lamb --- Ray Boltz
  14. He'll Dry the Tears --- Dallas Holm