Lionroot Posted March 7, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 90 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/19/1966 Share Posted March 7, 2005 (edited) Edited March 7, 2005 by Lionroot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D Smith Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 when a person dies... The saved have a different fate than the Lost. The dead bodies of the saved go into the ground, become dust, or gets eaten by a shark, etc. The Spirit of the saved go to be with the Lord. At the 2nd comming of Jesus, the Spirits of the saved return with the Lord and rise up in New Bodies and go up to meet the Lord in the air and enter heaven as did jesus 2000 years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkilletRocksMyFace Posted April 1, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 121 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1983 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Forgive me for not having read the entirity of this thread. There is a great thread on this topic already that I really recomend looking at entitled "the immortality of the soul" where much of this discussion is taken place in detail. Everyone sleeps and awaits the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, for he himself declars in Rev22 that "I am comming quickly and MY REWARD IS WITH ME" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDAinFLA Posted April 3, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 264 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2005 Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac are not going to "live again", they are alive now. That is the whole point Jesus is making, to the Saduccees because they did not believe in resurrection. Robert, you don't have to slip into something flame retardant...I leave that for some of the other people that love the heat. I believe the point that we are trying to make here is that there is no consciousness at death. Jesus understood this when He said "For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them." Matt. 13:17 The prophets didn't hear them because there is no consciousness at death. Neither Abraham nor Jacob were alive at the time of Isaiah "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting." Isaiah 63:16 When we die, we wait in the ground for the resurrection. There is a big difference in a resurrection vs. dying and going straight to heaven. The spirit goes to be with Him, but this is not a resurected person. So if Abraham is alive now...he would have been resurrected after his death. God Bless, SDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsower Posted April 3, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,545 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/18/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/27/1968 Share Posted April 3, 2005 SDAinFLA, What do you think the spirit is, that returns to God. How would you define it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsower Posted April 3, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,545 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/18/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/27/1968 Share Posted April 3, 2005 SDAinFLA, What do you think the spirit is, that returns to God. How would you define it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionroot Posted April 3, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 90 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/19/1966 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Greetings SDAin FLA, you don't have to slip into something flame retardant... Thanks, I find it rather restrictive and even worse, chaffing. I leave that for some of the other people that love the heat. Thats why I have employed the ignore feature. Its great for those people who cannot express themselves in love, thus revealing their true spirit. I believe the point that we are trying to make here is that there is no consciousness at death. Than such a topic cannot be applied to those already ressurected, correct?. Which was the point that Jesus was making to the Saducees. Jesus makes it clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDAinFLA Posted April 3, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 264 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2005 Did you notice that the other text is "Israel acknowledge us not". Does this not indicate that Jacob could acknowledge? Whats the big deal of being unacknowledged by the unconscious and unaware? This is possible...maybe Jacob was alive at the time, but what about Abraham? How could he be ignorant of his children if he were still living at that time? I don't know about soul sleep, but I do believe in unconsciousness at death. Like yourself, I do believe in the resurrection, so I think we agree on this point. But whether Abraham is alive or not doesn't really effect our salvation...but I was just curious what you think. Thanks for taking the time to read and reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDAinFLA Posted April 3, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 264 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2005 (edited) SDAinFLA, What do you think the spirit is, that returns to God. Edited April 3, 2005 by SDAinFLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsower Posted April 4, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,545 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/18/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/27/1968 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Isaiah 42:5 says "thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens, and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes fro it, Who gives breath to the people on it, and spirit to those who walk on it.......... so, they can't be the same thing. As far as Matt. 13 goes, the pharisees were looking for a sign, (in ch 12)a visible sign, and Jesus said that the prophet Jonah was the only sign they would get. The disciples had received Christ and has been re-born, so they could see, because the Holy Spirit alone reveals truth to us. The prophets and righteous men that Jesus spoke of had not received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and therefore could not see the things of the Spirit. It has nothing to do with death, except for spiritual death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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