David1701 Posted September 10, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2021 30 minutes ago, nagzie harb said: The word "created" in Genesis 1:1 is from the Hebrew "bara"-of something new. The word "made" in Genesis 1:7 and so on, is Hebrew "asa" - to fashion, make from an already existing thing. Adam and Eve were told to "replenish"mala" the earth- to accomplish,complete. All this would suggest that God made the earth perfect,as He always does,and something caused His creation to be distroyed into chaos and darkness. Adam and Eve were told to fill the Earth ("replenish" used to mean "fill", not "refill"). Your conclusion is eisegesis, not exegesis. God created the Earth in an unformed and unfilled state, then, over six days, formed and filled it - simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: (Isaiah 45:18) For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the LORD, and there is no other. [ESV] It is obvious that the chaos of Genesis 1:1 indicates a judgement upon the planet Earth and the Heavens prior to the creation of mankind. In Genesis 1:1, the Earth was unformed and unfilled, not chaotic. Yes, God created the Earth to be inhabited, which is what he did, over the six days of creation. There is no justification for trying to shoehorn some secret judgment before Gen. 1:1. In the beginning, there was God, then he created the heaven and the Earth. There is not some missing civilisation, before Gen. 1:1, except in people's imagination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, David1701 said: In Genesis 1:1, the Earth was unformed and unfilled, not chaotic. Yes, God created the Earth to be inhabited, which is what he did, over the six days of creation. There is no justification for trying to shoehorn some secret judgment before Gen. 1:1. In the beginning, there was God, then he created the heaven and the Earth. There is not some missing civilisation, before Gen. 1:1, except in people's imagination. You are selectively translating Genesis to suit your person YEC bias. I prefer to read the Bible and let Holy Spirit define the truth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: You are selectively translating Genesis to suit your person YEC bias. I prefer to read the Bible and let Holy Spirit define the truth. Pot, meet kettle... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagzie harb Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 60 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/06/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, David1701 said: Adam and Eve were told to fill the Earth ("replenish" used to mean "fill", not "refill"). Your conclusion is eisegesis, not exegesis. God created the Earth in an unformed and unfilled state, then, over six days, formed and filled it - simple. Genesis 1:1 - First sentence finished, complete and perfect. God cannot and would not create something in chaos and disorder. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, David1701 said: Adam and Eve were told to fill the Earth ("replenish" used to mean "fill", not "refill"). Your conclusion is eisegesis, not exegesis. God created the Earth in an unformed and unfilled state, then, over six days, formed and filled it - simple. Something is: Quote plenish [ plen-ish ] verb (used with object) Chiefly Scot. to fill up; stock; furnish. Quote replenish [ ri-plen-ish ] See synonyms for: replenish / replenished on Thesaurus.com verb (used with object) to make full or complete again, as by supplying what is lacking, used up, etc.: to replenish one's stock of food. to supply (a fire, stove, etc.) with fresh fuel. to fill again or anew. I know you have your own definitions to suit your theology, but you cannot redefine words to suit yourself and your YEC philosophy. Edited September 11, 2021 by Saved.One.by.Grace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2021 13 hours ago, nagzie harb said: Genesis 1:1 - First sentence finished, complete and perfect. God cannot and would not create something in chaos and disorder. Creation was not finished until the end of day 6 of the creation week. The world was unformed and unfilled, at first, not in chaos and disorder. Stop making things up to try to wedge millions of years into the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: Something is: I know you have your own definitions to suit your theology, but you cannot redefine words to suit yourself and your YEC philosophy. Perhaps you are unaware that English has changed, in the last 400 years? When the KJV was translated, "replenish" meant "fill", not "refill". Even without that fact, the Hebrew word means "fill", not "refill". Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon - Original: מלא מלא - Transliteration: Male' - Phonetic: maw-lay' - Definition: 1. to fill, be full -a. (Qal) --1. to be full 1a -b. fulness, abundance (participle) 1a -c. to be full, be accomplished, be ended --1. to consecrate, fill the hand -d. (Niphal) --1. to be filled, be armed, be satisfied --2. to be accomplished, be ended -e. (Piel) --1. to fill --2. to satisfy --3. to fulfil, accomplish, complete --4. to confirm -f. (Pual) to be filled -g. (Hithpael) to mass themselves against As everyone can see, "refill" is not one of the possible definitions of the Hebrew word, which, in the KJV, is translated "replenish" (in the old sense of "fill"). Gen. 1:28 (Geneva - 1587) And God blessed them, and God said to them, Bring forth fruite and multiplie, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule ouer the fish of the sea, and ouer the foule of the heauen, & ouer euery beast that moueth vpon the earth. Gen. 1:28 (NKJV) Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." You need to check your facts, before being insulting. Edited September 11, 2021 by David1701 missing word 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagzie harb Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 60 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/06/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2021 5 hours ago, David1701 said: Perhaps you are unaware that English has changed, in the last 400 years? When the KJV was translated, "replenish" meant "fill", not "refill". Even without that fact, the Hebrew word means "fill", not "refill". Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon - Original: מלא מלא - Transliteration: Male' - Phonetic: maw-lay' - Definition: 1. to fill, be full -a. (Qal) --1. to be full 1a -b. fulness, abundance (participle) 1a -c. to be full, be accomplished, be ended --1. to consecrate, fill the hand -d. (Niphal) --1. to be filled, be armed, be satisfied --2. to be accomplished, be ended -e. (Piel) --1. to fill --2. to satisfy --3. to fulfil, accomplish, complete --4. to confirm -f. (Pual) to be filled -g. (Hithpael) to mass themselves against As everyone can see, "refill" is not one of the possible definitions of the Hebrew word, which, in the KJV, is translated "replenish" (in old sense of "fill"). Gen. 1:28 (Geneva - 1587) And God blessed them, and God said to them, Bring forth fruite and multiplie, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule ouer the fish of the sea, and ouer the foule of the heauen, & ouer euery beast that moueth vpon the earth. Gen. 1:28 (NKJV) Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." You need to check your facts, before being insulting. How do you explain day and night on the first day and on the fourth day God made the two great lights for day and night? - asa not bara. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. 14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 hour ago, nagzie harb said: How do you explain day and night on the first day and on the fourth day God made the two great lights for day and night? - asa not bara. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. 14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day. God created a light source (not the sun) on the first day. On the fourth day, God made our sun and moon. Simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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