icdchillin1 Posted September 9, 2005 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 45 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/07/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 9, 2005 Hey, I've been a member here for a little while, but I am still young in my faith...are there any pacifist Christians that can explain how war is wrong according to scripture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NITE OWL Posted September 10, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 535 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/02/1957 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I'm not a pacifist but this might be what you're looking for. Rev. 13:10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity, he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Mark 12:31 And the second like it is this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these. Like I said, I'm no pacifist but those two verses to me say, do not kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constant Posted September 10, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,946 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/25/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/06/1979 Share Posted September 10, 2005 'a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.' Ecclesiastes 3:8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NITE OWL Posted September 10, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 535 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/02/1957 Share Posted September 10, 2005 'a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.' Ecclesiastes 3:8 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't like disagreeing with you, but... We live in New Testament times, not Old. I'm not saying we should throw it out or disregard it, there's an abundance of knowledge there. I don't see in the New Testament where we are instructed to or given the freedom to pick up arms against our fellow man. It simply goes against His commandments. Not trying to be difficult, it's just what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted September 10, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted September 10, 2005 'a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.' Ecclesiastes 3:8 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't like disagreeing with you, but... We live in New Testament times, not Old. I'm not saying we should throw it out or disregard it, there's an abundance of knowledge there. I don't see in the New Testament where we are instructed to or given the freedom to pick up arms against our fellow man. It simply goes against His commandments. Not trying to be difficult, it's just what I see. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jesus told His disciples if they didn't have a sword, they should even go to the extremes of selling their winter clothes to buy one. What do you think they used swords for.....backscratchers??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NITE OWL Posted September 10, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 535 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/02/1957 Share Posted September 10, 2005 'a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.' Ecclesiastes 3:8 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't like disagreeing with you, but... We live in New Testament times, not Old. I'm not saying we should throw it out or disregard it, there's an abundance of knowledge there. I don't see in the New Testament where we are instructed to or given the freedom to pick up arms against our fellow man. It simply goes against His commandments. Not trying to be difficult, it's just what I see. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jesus told His disciples if they didn't have a sword, they should even go to the extremes of selling their winter clothes to buy one. What do you think they used swords for.....backscratchers??? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Where is that passage? I don't doubt you, I just don't recall seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted September 10, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Where is that passage? I don't doubt you, I just don't recall seeing it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Luke 22:36. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constant Posted September 10, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,946 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/25/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/06/1979 Share Posted September 10, 2005 If it is in the Bible, I will refer to it new or old. That happens to be my favorite! So, me being a Marine, will I be any less of a christian if I had to pick up my rifle and fire it at the enemy if I am called to the war? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NITE OWL Posted September 10, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 535 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/02/1957 Share Posted September 10, 2005 If it is in the Bible, I will refer to it new or old. That happens to be my favorite! So, me being a Marine, will I be any less of a christian if I had to pick up my rifle and fire it at the enemy if I am called to the war? No. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No. We are to obey those who have authority over us in this world. You're a soldier. Your job is to protect this country. If one of your duties is to pick up arms, then that's what you do. I'm not arguing with you. I spent many years in the military. I've had to look down those sights on more than one occassion. I'm not attacking you. so put that out of your head. The original question was...is there any scripture that tells us that war is wrong? I gave him two. All I did was answer this guys question. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NITE OWL Posted September 10, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 535 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/02/1957 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Where is that passage? I don't doubt you, I just don't recall seeing it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Luke 22:36. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks...can't believe I never saw that...but then again there's a lot of things I don't see. The reason Christ wanted a sword is so that He could show compassion to the ones who were basically taking Him to His death. He showed them a miracle that night and yet they still killed Him. Matt. 26:52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in it's place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword". Also when Christ told them to go buy a sword, He didn't say "swords" He said "sword". Just one. And when He was informed that they had two, He said "that is enough". Only one sword was needed to cut off that ear. And once that was accomplished He told them to put it away. That's what I see. If you see something different, maybe I'm wrong, explain it to me. Anyway...you all have nice weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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