Old Timer Posted November 2, 2005 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Trinity, no problem. We have covered many of the primary scriptures that you believe teach the saints are conscious in heaven and I have attempted to demonstrate that those scriptures teach the saints will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity Posted November 3, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,244 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 63 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 3, 2005 I will be able to come back to this debate right? Because things here should settle down by the 16th or 18th of this month! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted November 4, 2005 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted November 4, 2005 (edited) Summary: The apostles preached about the return of Christ and the resurrection of the dead. Acts 4:2, Acts 17:32, Acts 23:6, Acts 24:15, Rom. 6:5, 1 Cor. 15:21, 1 Cor. 15:42, Heb. 6:2. The apostles expected to be presented to Christ at His return and the resurrection. John 6:44, John 14:2-3, II Cor 4:14, I John 2:28, 3:2. The saved and unsaved will be judged and assigned to Christ Edited November 27, 2005 by Old Timer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted November 18, 2005 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted November 18, 2005 After I fall asleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity Posted November 20, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,244 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 63 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2005 Ok i am back now after long weeks of work and church activities... *sigh* LOL ill get to them after church tomorrow! God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted November 21, 2005 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted November 21, 2005 (edited) Ok i am back now after long weeks of work and church activities... *sigh* LOL ill get to them after church tomorrow! God bless Welcome back, Trinity, I Edited November 22, 2005 by Old Timer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted November 26, 2005 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Perhaps this debate is drawing to a close so I will again make a summarization of my position. There are dozens of references showing that the apostles taught the return of Christ was to be expected, that the dead would be resurrected. There are no references that specifically say they taught of going to heaven. There are references that say the dead will be judged when Christ returns. There are no references that say they will be judged when they die or go to heaven. How can the dead be assigned to heaven or hell before they are judged? There are scriptures that say the apostles expected to meet Christ when He returns. There are no scriptures that say the apostles expected to meet Christ in heaven. Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity Posted November 27, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,244 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 63 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2005 Oh my gosh i tottally forgot about this!! sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted November 28, 2005 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Trinity, I gather you are pressed for time and can no longer engage actively in this debate. I will finish by asking you a few questions. If you wish to continue this debate that is fine with me but I will await your response to the questions in my next post before continuing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted November 28, 2005 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Paul says in II Cor. 4:14 that he expected to be presented to Christ when He returned. This idea is also mentioned in John 6:44, John 14:2-3, I John 2:28, 3:2. Why didn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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