Arthur Durnan Posted June 18, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2003 Well, yes, of course, the specific reason for continuing terrorism in the Middle East centers on Islamic intentions to annihilate the State of Israel without fear or favor. Nothing more. Nothing less. Nothing other. Islam has always sought Middle East domination over the Jewish State whether via fair means or foul. Truth to tell, the overlying goal of militant Islam is essentially WORLD domination as evidenced, of course, by their continuing terrorism on a worldwide scale whether in Mindanao (north of Indonesia), Kashmir, Iran, Nigeria, Israel, you name it. If it's true that without geometry, life is pointless, then it's equally true that without an acute understanding of Islamic intentions, world politics is one huge vacuum. There can be no peace in the Middle East in the face of relentless Islamic violence & murder. Any attacked nation will understandably protect itself. One must go behind the violence there and come to grips with the Muslim determination to (a) annihilate the State of Israel, and (b) conquer the world in the name of their warrior-general Mohammad of Yathrib. Islam was born in violence, raised in violence and continues at this hour in bloodshed unlimited. ITEMS: Northern Nigeria, Iraq, Iran, Mindanao, Saudi Arabia, Kashmir, Pakistan, The Sudan, Somalia - not to mention the World Trade Center - on into the night! http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted June 18, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted June 18, 2003 Hmmmm.... Gee, that's pretty hateful talk for "a man of the cloth." What ever happened to "love the sinner, hate the sin"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted June 18, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 193 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1965 Share Posted June 18, 2003 God-man, The sin is Islam. What do you see there that is hateful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted June 19, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted June 19, 2003 God-man, The sin is Islam. What do you see there that is hateful? There is a lot of rhetoric in that post that is simply not true. First off, I also believe that Islam is false, and that there are many things in the faith that are against God's people. However, you do not categorize an entire religion according to the extreme views and actions of a few fundamentalists. The faith of Islam has no doctrine, creed, or document that says that its goal is to exterminate the entire Jewish race. That is simply false. Certain radical groups such as Hamas have vowed to exterminate the Jewish people, hiding behind Islam. But then Christian crusaders also vowed to wipe out Mohammedanism (Islam) during the middle ages. You cannot make such broad sweping generalizations about an entire faith (one of the fastest growing in the world, by the way) based upon the extreme views and actions of a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneAccord Posted June 19, 2003 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,587 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2003 Thank you so much for that post God-man. Yes, who is our neighbor anyway??? We Christians should heed the words of our Lord and take the log out of our own eyes before worrying about the speck in the other guy's eye. I really get offended at all this hate rhetoric spewing from the mouths of 'confessing' Christians. Is this how we spread the gospel? I guess if you can't convert 'em, kill 'em. That's how it comes off to those in the world who are watching. The War on Terrorism is very convenient for the church, who HATE Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted June 19, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 193 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1965 Share Posted June 19, 2003 God-man, The sin is Islam. What do you see there that is hateful? There is a lot of rhetoric in that post that is simply not true. First off, I also believe that Islam is false, and that there are many things in the faith that are against God's people. However, you do not categorize an entire religion according to the extreme views and actions of a few fundamentalists. The faith of Islam has no doctrine, creed, or document that says that its goal is to exterminate the entire Jewish race. That is simply false. Certain radical groups such as Hamas have vowed to exterminate the Jewish people, hiding behind Islam. But then Christian crusaders also vowed to wipe out Mohammedanism (Islam) during the middle ages. You cannot make such broad sweping generalizations about an entire faith (one of the fastest growing in the world, by the way) based upon the extreme views and actions of a few. The Crusaders weren't picky. They pretty much killed everyone who wouldn't convert, Muslims and Jews alike. Yes, accusations could be raised about horrible atrocities committed by many who have called themselves Christians (Crusades, Inquisition, slave trade, abortions, etc.). Yet, is there not a fundamental difference between the two? While the Bible clearly states that governments have a right to use the "sword" as "God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted June 20, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted June 20, 2003 The Crusaders weren't picky. They pretty much killed everyone who wouldn't convert, Muslims and Jews alike. Yes, accusations could be raised about horrible atrocities committed by many who have called themselves Christians (Crusades, Inquisition, slave trade, abortions, etc.). Yet, is there not a fundamental difference between the two? While the Bible clearly states that governments have a right to use the "sword" as "God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted June 20, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 193 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1965 Share Posted June 20, 2003 The problem is that it is easier for a greater percentage of Muslim extremists to take the texts you have pointed out and interpret them to mean that they are justifed in conducting uprovoked attacks upon others. Maybe because that's what they say. Tell me why you think the "extremists" aren't practicing true Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted June 21, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted June 21, 2003 The problem is that it is easier for a greater percentage of Muslim extremists to take the texts you have pointed out and interpret them to mean that they are justifed in conducting uprovoked attacks upon others. Maybe because that's what they say. Tell me why you think the "extremists" aren't practicing true Islam. That should be obvious. That answer is the same as why I think the KKK and other so-called "Christian" hate groups in America are not practicing true Christianity. They ignore or toss aside the passages that clearly tell the believer that he must live in peace and harmony with his neighbor, and follow those passages that advocate separation from and violence toward the unbeliever. Let me give you an example from a racist "Christian" skinhead website: WE BELIEVE the White, Anglo-Saxon, Germanic and kindred people to be God's true, literal Children of Israel. Only this race fulfills every detail of Biblical Prophecy and World History concerning Israel and continues in these latter days to be heirs and possessors of the Covenants, Prophecies, Promises and Blessings YHVH God made to Israel. This chosen seedline making up the "Christian Nations" (Gen. 35:11; Isa. 62:2; Acts 11:26) of the earth stands far superior to all other peoples in their call as God's servant race (Isa. 41:8, 44:21; Luke 1:54). Only these descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel scattered abroad (James 1:1; Deut. 4:27; Jer. 31:10; John 11:52) have carried God's Word, the Bible, throughout the world (Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12, 59:21), have used His Laws in the establishment of their civil governments and are the "Christians" opposed by the Satanic Anti-Christ forces of this world who do not recognize the true and living God (John 5:23, 8:19, 16:2-3)...WE BELIEVE that as a chosen race, elected by God (Deut. 7:6, 10:15; I Peter 2:9), we are not to be partakers of the wickedness of this world system (I John 2:15; James 4:4; John 17/9, 15, 16), but are called to come out and be a separated people (II Cor. 6:17; Rev. 18:4; Jer. 51:6; Exodus 33:16; Lev. 20:24). This includes segregation from all non-white races, who are prohibited in God's natural divine order from ruling over Israel (Deut. 17:15, 28:13, 32:8; Joel 2:17; Isa. 13:14; Gen. 1:25-26; Rom. 9:21). Race-mixing is an abomination in the sight of Almighty God, a satanic attempt meant to destroy the chosen seedline, and is strictly forbidden by His commandments (Exo. 34:14-16; Num. 25:1-13; I Cor. 10:8/ Rev. 2:14; Deut. 7:3-4; Joshua 23:12-13; I Kings 11:1-3; Ezra 9:2, 10-12; 10:10-14; Neh. 10:28-30, 13;3, 27; Hosea 5;7; Mal. 2:11-12). If you were able to stomach reading that load of garbage, then I commend you. But let me ask you this, just because these white racist maniacs use Scriptural references to justify such statements, does that make them true? Are these people practicing true Christianity? Islamic extremists such as Hamas are exactly the same way. Following are some statements made in various leafelets distributed by Hamas about the Jews: "The brothers of the apes, the killers of the Prophets, blood suckers, warmongers," "barbaric," "cowards," "cancer expanding in the land of Isra' [reference to Palestine which was the destination of Muhammad's night journeyl and Mi'raj [Muhammad's ascent to heaven] threatening the entire Islamic world," "a conceited and arrogant people," "the enemy of God and mankind," "the descendants of treachery and deceit,", Nazis," "spreading corruption in the land of Islam," "the Zionist culprits who poisoned the water in the past, killed infants, women and elders," "thieves, monopolists, usurers." Do these people practice true Islam? No. Not anymore than the KKK and white racists in this country practice true Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted June 22, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 193 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1965 Share Posted June 22, 2003 As I have written here before, Islam does advocate voilence against the infadels (unbelievers), where Christianity does not The problem is that it is easier for a greater percentage of Muslim extremists to take the texts you have pointed out and interpret them to mean that they are justifed in conducting uprovoked attacks upon others. God-man, Forget the rationalizations for a moment. If the Qur'an advocates violence against unbelievers, why do you call the Muslims who carry out the attacks extremists? Shouldn't they just be called practicing Muslims? Why do you compare Muslims who practice what the Qur'an teaches to people that badly misinterpret the Holy Scriptures? IT'S NOT THE SAME THING! I have tons of information for you, if you like. If you have some spare time, start with From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters. It is absolutely amazing the numbers of lies that are accepted as truth about Islam only because the concepts have been repeated so many times. And OneAccord....truth is not hate. That is a liberal concoction. You know...if you tell someone they are going to hell without Jesus in their hearts...why that's hate. Homosexuality wrong? More hate. Abortion wrong? Hatemongers. Get the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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