Bread_of_Life Posted April 2, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/24/1981 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Horizoneast, You know evidence like what is the mechanism for Darwinism since scientific experiments prove that inanimate matter cannot possibly come to life. I don't know how many times I'm going to have to say this - abiogenesis and darwinism are different subjects. Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection starts at the first organism - hence "the origin of SPECIES" NOT the origin or ORGANISMS..! And while you are at it maybe you can tell me why the scientific method shows that random mutations, even if it can be filtered by natural selection, cannot produce new biological features. By definition, he won't be able to explain this, because it's not true..! Perhaps you could explain why you think it *is* true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecco Posted April 3, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 163 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2006 (edited) HorizonEast, You failed to address the following from my posts #44 & 45: However, since you brought up circular reasoning, let Edited April 3, 2006 by ecco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copper Scroll Posted April 3, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 682 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/25/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2006 Let me echo ecco: What makes belief in Genesis as a literal historical document so central to the Christian worldview? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecco Posted April 4, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 163 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2006 HorizonEast: But guess what? 2500 years before Einstein, Hubble, Penzias and Wilson, a prophet of God declared to God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Heathen Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 As usual horizoneast continues to blather on making snide remarks, allegations of ignorance and posing questions while answer none that asked of her. She doesn't want to actually engage in a discussion or debate, she only wants to pose the same questions over and over regardless of homw many time they get answered. I guess the answers to the questions posed to horizoneast can't be found on her fairy tale site, you know the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecco Posted April 5, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 163 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 5, 2006 HorizonEast: You appear to remain in your usual state of confusion about what evolution really means to you, And now you are running scared and refuse to post the evidence you claim you have from the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLuke Posted April 6, 2006 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 628 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/07/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1985 Share Posted April 6, 2006 (edited) You stated, "Well, with chimps we do share 98% of our DNA." I don't think that is an accurate statement but would be willing to see the evidence used for such a claim Edited April 6, 2006 by Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bread_of_Life Posted April 6, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 872 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/24/1981 Share Posted April 6, 2006 If humans were 'only' 4% different this still amounts to 120 million base pairs, equivalent to approximately 12 million words, or 40 large books of information. This is surely an impossible barrier for mutations (random changes) to cross. I'm not sure what the logic of this statement is? Surely you'd need to know the population, mutation rate, and number of generations before saying that such a difference was an "impossible" barrier for mutations to cross? According to my calculations, since the chimp lineage seperated from human lineage around 6 million years ago, that's around 600,000 generations each, or 1.2 million generations in total. That means, if human and chimp DNA varies by about 4% (which is a high estimate), that's about 100 mutations a generation - or a rate of 1 mutation per 30 million base pairs per generation. That figure is actually very low. Ordinary nuclear DNA is known to mutate at rates of about 1 in every million to 1 in every 10 million base pairs per generation. Thus, even the larger estimate of 4% is not impossible, in fact, it's perfectly feasible... Sorry to jump in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandli5 Posted April 6, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 559 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/29/1975 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Why? Because the bible says that In the begining God created heaven and Earth. Anything other than that is just Human's trying to destory God's Glory. And that is just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecco Posted April 7, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 163 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2006 Horizon East: In our recent past when Einstein was working on his theory of relativity (1916), the conventional wisdom of science stated the universe was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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