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Just a quick note: The office of "bishop" came from a 2nd century teaching by Ignatius, who claimed that the "office of bishop" was above that of "pastor." From this sprang the various other offices which were incorporated into the Roman church (Bishops, Archbishops, Cardinals, ect.)

In 1 Timothy 3:2, and overseer is not a bishop. He is an elder of a local church - see Acts 20:28 and Phil. 1:1. There are really only three distinct authoritarian roles int eh church: An apostle, who plants churches; and elder, who oversees a local church; and a deacon, who serves the church in many practical and spiritual affairs.

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In 1 Timothy 3:2, and overseer is not a bishop.

Actually the Greek term for overseer is episkopos, epi = over, (as in epidermis, over-flesh, skin) and skop = see (as in telescope, far-see). The term "bishop" is simply an anglicized form of episkopos.

I have no interest in defending the Roman institutions, mind you. But in Scripture, Bishop = overseer. KJV says Bishop in the same place that NIV says overseer.

Steve

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In 1 Timothy 3:2, and overseer is not a bishop.

Actually the Greek term for overseer is episkopos, epi = over, (as in epidermis, over-flesh, skin) and skop = see (as in telescope, far-see). The term "bishop" is simply an anglicized form of episkopos.

I have no interest in defending the Roman institutions, mind you. But in Scripture, Bishop = overseer. KJV says Bishop in the same place that NIV says overseer.

Steve

epi=over sop=seer Hence "overseer." Refers to the elder of a church locality, not a "bishop" in the sense that it has been known for the past 1,300 years.

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Refers to the elder of a church locality, not a "bishop" in the sense that it has been known for the past 1,300 years.

As I said, the function of the office is a different matter. But the words themselves are synonymous.

Steve

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1- ACTS 1: 21-22 disqualifies Paul from the office of Apostle if we use your criteria.

2- Paul tried to Kill the apostles, not "comapny" them.

3- Either these verses pertiain to the appointment of Mathias only, or Paul was not an apostle. Which is correct?

1- "My" criteria? :wub: I don't have any.

2- Yup. :thumbsup:

3- I explained that above. Since Jesus appointed the Twelve - and Paul - personally, there is no need for him to explain his reasons. No humans were involved in their selection, so there is no need to specify the criteria. They are qualified because Jesus said they were, and he doesn't owe us any explanation.

Still waiting for an answer to #4 above.

Steve

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Why not just admit that that is not the qualification for all apostles

:wub: ?

I never said it was. Only that it disqualifies you and me, and anyone presently breathing.

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I Cor 12:28 shows that there is an office of apostle.

Yup. :wub:

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OK, hr. You win. :wub:

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There are no apostles today that operate in anywhere close to the power and annointing of the Orig. 12, 13, or 14.

:wub: Wow!

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