Creation

[Kabowd]

Who is the Intelligent Designer, if it is not the God of the Bible?

I mean no offense, but this reply reveals you're really not educated enough on this issue to be attempting to take a definitive stance for or against it. I'd highly encourage you to read/study some sources outside of AIG. For instance people like Phil Johnson, Bill Dembski or Michael Behe.

I agree, I don't know enough about ID, except it is better than evolution, but I believe in a literal Genesis interpretation, you believe in an Intelligent Designer.

You do too and you don't even realize it.

[Believers Battlecry]

What is amazing is that you have a book that clearly defines what we consider one whole day " morning, evening" and we totally reject that it could remotely be possibly, maybe be 24 hours like what we know now, but we will take a "man-made theory" of one million years, WOW that takes faith. I guess I will stick to the Book that has been around the longest. When you throw out the Genesis account of Creation you undermine the rest of the Bible. Like it or not!

Honestly, I've never understood why some believers use the interpretation of "day" in the creation account as a litmus test for fellow believers. It's like, if you don't believe in 6, 24 hour days then you must not believe any of the bible. This is absurd, and frankly graceless. There are numerous well-educated, believing scholars on both sides of this debate. So obviously, there is enough ambiguity to allow for some grace. Just because someone holds a different interpretation of "day" does not mean they disregard or "undermine" the totality of Scripture. Instead of using this as a reference for judgment, we should appreciate that we at least agree that all things were created by God, and God alone.

Believer's Battlecry, did you agree/disagree with this post or just ignore it? I was just curious because topics like these can tend to get ugly real fast if each side doesn't allow for some grace when it comes to interpretting the word "day".

I apologize I did not see it. To me the Bible is so clear that it was a literal 24 hours. It says Day/Evening. When have you ever heard someone use day and evening to talk about a week, year or 10 years. The Bible has such simple truths if only we will allow it. If Genesis 1:5 stated "And the evening and the morning were the first 1,000 years, do you think anyone in their right mind would deduce that maybe "1, 000 years" really meant one 24 hour day????? God help us! I stand on 2 Timothy 3:16 -All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: and Hebrews 4:12 -For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

You didn't really address what I said. I stand on the same Scriptures you do, I worship the same God, and believe His Word is inerrant. But you and I hold differing interpretations of one word ...yom. If we agree on the important issues, my question again is...why do you feel the need to question my faith or trust in the entirety of God's Word based on this one difference? Again, there is enough ambiguity in these verses it is nearly impossible (at least at this point) for either side to claim which is right. The very fact that you don't even understand the ID theory shows that you haven't even looked into the evidence to support the theory. So, even though you responded (sorta) to what I said...I'm still left to wonder why you think you're in a position to judge those who hold a differing view?

Where am I judging you? We disagree on the interpretation of the words Day and Evening.

Can you answer this question: If Genesis 1:5 stated "And the evening and the morning were the first 1,000 years, do you think anyone in their right mind would deduce that maybe "1, 000 years" really meant one 24 hour day?????

[Believers Battlecry]

Who is the Intelligent Designer, if it is not the God of the Bible?

I mean no offense, but this reply reveals you're really not educated enough on this issue to be attempting to take a definitive stance for or against it. I'd highly encourage you to read/study some sources outside of AIG. For instance people like Phil Johnson, Bill Dembski or Michael Behe.

I agree, I don't know enough about ID, except it is better than evolution, but I believe in a literal Genesis interpretation, you believe in an Intelligent Designer.

You do too and you don't even realize it.

The problem I have with ID is that it does not clearly define who that IDer is. I believe the God of the Bible created the earth, ID does not name a designer.

[Kabowd]

Where am I judging you?

Post #21, remember this?

What is amazing is that you have a book that clearly defines what we consider one whole day " morning, evening" and we totally reject that it could remotely be possibly, maybe be 24 hours like what we know now, but we will take a "man-made theory" of one million years, WOW that takes faith. I guess I will stick to the Book that has been around the longest. When you throw out the Genesis account of Creation you undermine the rest of the Bible. Like it or not!

Can you answer this question: If Genesis 1:5 stated "And the evening and the morning were the first 1,000 years, do you think anyone in their right mind would deduce that maybe "1, 000 years" really meant one 24 hour day?????

That question is irrelevant. Not only do you continue to avoid many of the questions asked of you, you're becoming insulting and have admitted you don't know anything about opposing views. Until you can relax, respect the differing views and respond to questions with grace, I really don't see a point in trying to have a discussion with you.

[Believers Battlecry]

What is amazing is that you have a book that clearly defines what we consider one whole day " morning, evening" and we totally reject that it could remotely be possibly, maybe be 24 hours like what we know now, but we will take a "man-made theory" of one million years, WOW that takes faith. I guess I will stick to the Book that has been around the longest. When you throw out the Genesis account of Creation you undermine the rest of the Bible. Like it or not!

Honestly, I've never understood why some believers use the interpretation of "day" in the creation account as a litmus test for fellow believers. It's like, if you don't believe in 6, 24 hour days then you must not believe any of the bible. This is absurd, and frankly graceless. There are numerous well-educated, believing scholars on both sides of this debate. So obviously, there is enough ambiguity to allow for some grace. Just because someone holds a different interpretation of "day" does not mean they disregard or "undermine" the totality of Scripture. Instead of using this as a reference for judgment, we should appreciate that we at least agree that all things were created by God, and God alone.

Believer's Battlecry, did you agree/disagree with this post or just ignore it? I was just curious because topics like these can tend to get ugly real fast if each side doesn't allow for some grace when it comes to interpretting the word "day".

I apologize I did not see it. To me the Bible is so clear that it was a literal 24 hours. It says Day/Evening. When have you ever heard someone use day and evening to talk about a week, year or 10 years. The Bible has such simple truths if only we will allow it. If Genesis 1:5 stated "And the evening and the morning were the first 1,000 years, do you think anyone in their right mind would deduce that maybe "1, 000 years" really meant one 24 hour day????? God help us! I stand on 2 Timothy 3:16 -All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: and Hebrews 4:12 -For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Mate...will Jesus literally have a sword coming out of His mouth...and will He literally look like a lamb?

You will find out on Judgment day. What a clown!

You've been a member here one day, and you have already begun to insult people here. Tsk, tsk. Your aim in this is. . . what? Is calling people clowns your idea of acceptable behavior?

Are you the Forum Police????

[Kabowd]

Who is the Intelligent Designer, if it is not the God of the Bible?

I mean no offense, but this reply reveals you're really not educated enough on this issue to be attempting to take a definitive stance for or against it. I'd highly encourage you to read/study some sources outside of AIG. For instance people like Phil Johnson, Bill Dembski or Michael Behe.

I agree, I don't know enough about ID, except it is better than evolution, but I believe in a literal Genesis interpretation, you believe in an Intelligent Designer.

You do too and you don't even realize it.

The problem I have with ID is that it does not clearly define who that IDer is. I believe the God of the Bible created the earth, ID does not name a designer.

You don't know anything about it, haven't studied it...and yet you're qualified to state your "problem" with it?

[Believers Battlecry]

What is amazing is that you have a book that clearly defines what we consider one whole day " morning, evening" and we totally reject that it could remotely be possibly, maybe be 24 hours like what we know now, but we will take a "man-made theory" of one million years, WOW that takes faith. I guess I will stick to the Book that has been around the longest. When you throw out the Genesis account of Creation you undermine the rest of the Bible. Like it or not!

Honestly, I've never understood why some believers use the interpretation of "day" in the creation account as a litmus test for fellow believers. It's like, if you don't believe in 6, 24 hour days then you must not believe any of the bible. This is absurd, and frankly graceless. There are numerous well-educated, believing scholars on both sides of this debate. So obviously, there is enough ambiguity to allow for some grace. Just because someone holds a different interpretation of "day" does not mean they disregard or "undermine" the totality of Scripture. Instead of using this as a reference for judgment, we should appreciate that we at least agree that all things were created by God, and God alone.

Believer's Battlecry, did you agree/disagree with this post or just ignore it? I was just curious because topics like these can tend to get ugly real fast if each side doesn't allow for some grace when it comes to interpretting the word "day".

I apologize I did not see it. To me the Bible is so clear that it was a literal 24 hours. It says Day/Evening. When have you ever heard someone use day and evening to talk about a week, year or 10 years. The Bible has such simple truths if only we will allow it. If Genesis 1:5 stated "And the evening and the morning were the first 1,000 years, do you think anyone in their right mind would deduce that maybe "1, 000 years" really meant one 24 hour day????? God help us! I stand on 2 Timothy 3:16 -All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: and Hebrews 4:12 -For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Mate...will Jesus literally have a sword coming out of His mouth...and will He literally look like a lamb?

You will find out on Judgment day. What a clown!

You're avoiding it. Will He literally look that way? Or, how about, was the tree in Nebuchadnezzar's dream literally seen around the world?

To me Day and Evening is about as clear as you can get. Yes, Jesus used parables, not everything is literal. Your point is taken.

[Kabowd]

And for centuries Christians believed it was as clear as you could get that the world was flat because of phrases like "ends of the earth" and "four corners of the world". Then science revealed the world is a sphere and....oops.

[Believers Battlecry]

Who is the Intelligent Designer, if it is not the God of the Bible?

I mean no offense, but this reply reveals you're really not educated enough on this issue to be attempting to take a definitive stance for or against it. I'd highly encourage you to read/study some sources outside of AIG. For instance people like Phil Johnson, Bill Dembski or Michael Behe.

I agree, I don't know enough about ID, except it is better than evolution, but I believe in a literal Genesis interpretation, you believe in an Intelligent Designer.

You do too and you don't even realize it.

The problem I have with ID is that it does not clearly define who that IDer is. I believe the God of the Bible created the earth, ID does not name a designer.

You don't know anything about it, haven't studied it...and yet you're qualified to state your "problem" with it?

You are apparently the ID expert here, answer the question, does the ID theory clearly state who the IDer is? Why as a Christian would we want to disregard the true ID, aka God, in Genesis 1:1-11 but accept Him everywhere else?

[Believers Battlecry]

And for centuries Christians believed it was as clear as you could get that the world was flat because of phrases like "ends of the earth" and "four corners of the world". Then science revealed the world is a sphere and....oops.

Wrong. Isiaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

This tells us that the Earth is round, man discovered this fact 2,400 years later. Also, in a time when science believed the earth was flat, it was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world.