The Lorax Posted March 3, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Share Posted March 3, 2007 http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp Some of the arguments NOT to be used: “Darwin recanted on his deathbed.” “No new species have been produced.” “There are no beneficial mutations.” “Einstein held...belief in a Creator.” “If we evolved from apes, apes shouldn’t exist today.” “Paluxy tracks prove that humans and dinosaurs co-existed.” “Darwin mentioned the absurdity of eye evolution in The Origin of Species.” (quoted out-of-context) “The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics began at the Fall.” “Archaeopteryx is a fraud.” “Natural selection is a tautology.” “Evolution is just a theory.” “There is amazing modern scientific insight in the Bible.” “There are no transitional forms.” “Plate tectonics is fallacious.” Hmm... And I think I've heard a few of those arguments used here before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted March 3, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Author Share Posted March 3, 2007 Just so this thread doesn't leave creationists totally high and dry, I should mention my favorite argument, one which creationists SHOULD use: The setting of the physical constants (seemingly arbitrary numbers like, for instance, the magnitude of strong electric force) is perfectly conducive to life. Tweak a single constant just a little bit and life as we know it couldn't exist anywhere in the universe. This, to me, is a pretty good suggestion of some higher intent behind life. Naturalists counter this with the idea of infinite multiverses, but this is, as of yet, no more than wild speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted March 3, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Author Share Posted March 3, 2007 An infinite number of possibilities does not guarantee a given instance will actually appear. ...Are you sure? .000...1 x infinity = infinity, right? We're basically talking about the Infinite Monkey Theorem here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Old Dragon: You show an exquisite contempt for God's Word. You show an exquisite contempt for sharing God's Holy Word. It is an honor to be included in your scorn. Thank You. I must ask forgiveness for the joy this brings! Just so this thread doesn't leave creationists totally high and dry, I should mention my favorite argument, one which creationists SHOULD use: The setting of the physical constants (seemingly arbitrary numbers like, for instance, the magnitude of strong electric force) is perfectly conducive to life. Tweak a single constant just a little bit and life as we know it couldn't exist anywhere in the universe. This, to me, is a pretty good suggestion of some higher intent behind life. Naturalists counter this with the idea of infinite multiverses, but this is, as of yet, no more than wild speculation. What! No Bible. No original fall. No sin. No Jesus. No Calvary. No Blood shed for the redemption of sinners. No redemption. No sanctification. No Heaven. No hell. No eternal judgment. No God. No Guts! "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." (2 Timothy 4:2-4) Just what is this faith you share? Who is your foundation? Who is your teacher? Who is your Master? What book do you base your faith upon? What is your intentions toward Christians. What is you intentions toward the lost! Do you care they will suffer eternal torment without Jesus? Do you love them? "But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;" "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" "That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:14-17) You deny the Creation. You deny the fall. You deny the curse. You ask me, a sinner-saved-by-Grace to mock the sacrifice Jesus made on Calvary. To say man did not fall when I know better. To say sin is a lie when I know better. To say Calvary is a joke when I know better. You ask a grown man to use High School Science-Fiction (real science does not need to use evolution in it's investigations) in place of God's Wisdom? "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," "And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things." (Romans 1:20-23) Dear Brother, give me one SCRIPTURAL reason why you think any Christian should consider obeying you rather than God? "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16) "Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men." (Acts 5:29) "The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:" "The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:" "The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace." (Numbers 6:24-26) Love, Joe PS: Angry, you might want to read the TOS for Worthy before you again attempt to stifle The Word of God? Maybe not. Either way, God drew you here and He will be Glorified! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted March 4, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 FresnoJoe, are you sure you're in the right thread? How do I scorn you? How have I scorned God's word? I haven't even mentioned the Bible in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted March 4, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 My head hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I haven't even mentioned the Bible in this thread. Exactly! Still haven't! Cat got your Bible? "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;" (Ephesians 5:19) You are attempting here to give God's Children a lot of anti-Biblical, anti-scripture witnessing tools. Do you have any scriptures to share about witnessing? The voice of The Master. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" (John 10:27) I can't see where you are sharing Jesus with folks who come to Worthy. That's OK with me because not all are called to stand at the sharp end of the stick. "But now are they many members, yet but one body." "And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you." (1 Corinthians 12:20-21) However, it appears you are attempting to stop the rest of us from showing Jesus to the unbeliever! Bible sharing will possibly stop at Worthy after the rapture, maybe not! "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." (2 Timothy 4:2) You have given no answers, supported by scriptures, to any of my questions. At Worthy "Jesus Christ and Him Crucified" is shared with all who come. "For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." (1 Corinthians 2:2) If you need help posting scripture, let me know. I'll be honored to help a brother pick up The Sword. "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God" (2 Corinthians 2:12) "The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:" "The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:" "The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace." Love, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingcleverhere Posted March 4, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 29 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/07/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1988 Share Posted March 4, 2007 http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp Some of the arguments NOT to be used: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted March 4, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Used those 3 in the past, thinking they are perfectly valid points, AiG raises good counterpoints! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted March 5, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) That reminds me. Another creationist argument NOT to use, a la Horizoneast: "Disproving abiogenesis would render evolution moot." False. Abiogenesis and the TOE are adjacent but separate concepts. Abiogenesis concerns the origin of life, for which there are several hypotheses. Evolution concerns the evolution of life, requiring only that life already exists somehow. Although evolution is oftentimes coupled with an abiogenesis hypothesis, it is logically compatible with any number of alternate possibilities, including God seeding the first cellular life on Earth. Lesson: There is no easy way around disproving evolution. In order for evolution to be disproved, it must be disproved. All scientific theories do not topple like a line of dominoes, and eliminating a particular theory (or even every theory) of abiogenesis does not eliminate the rest of natural history as science knows it. Edited March 5, 2007 by Angry Dragons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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