Fiosh Posted March 21, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2007 But I am curious that if you see a specific Authority as "The Church", then which one or denomination? Not even going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millene Posted March 21, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 4 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2007 If these two men were being led completely by the spirit, then the message would be identical. If one tribe had issues that the other didn't, the spirit may have led one of the men to speak strongly to that issue. But generally the message would be the same. That is unity in the spirit. It is what we should all be striving for, in our churches and in our lives. How nice it would be if we were all on the same page, filtering everything through the spirit rather than our own mind, will and emotions. (Eph 4:12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: (Eph 4:13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (Eph 4:14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; (Eph 4:15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: (Eph 4:16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted March 21, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Now if you would just make Fiosh a she instead of a he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaritateDei Posted March 21, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 400 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2007 They are both totally dependant on the Holy Spirit Their only teacher is the Holy Spirit both missionaries were guided solely by the Holy Spirit man, Does the Holy Spirit possess the missionaries, in the fashion of a demonic possession, taking over the control of their thoughts and actions. Or does He teach and guide them? Are they ''free agents" or totally controlled by the Holy Spirit like puppets? F What does the quote say? We both can see the words, but I think we interpret them differently. To me, they are saying that the missionaries had the benefit of no other teaching or guidance except for the Holy Spirit. However, they tell me nothing of how well the missionaries absorbed the guidance and teaching. Unless you believe that the Holy Spirit used them like puppets, you can't know either. Peace, Fiosh Fiosh....it's a hypothetical situation, which means it is not real. Read the quotes... They were totally dependant on the Holy Spirit. Their only teacher was the Holy Spirit. They were guided solely by the Holy Spirit. You are adding things to the scenario. I'm going by what is given. I am not reading anything into it. What is so hard to understand? I will agree to disagree, man. We are not communicating. Peace, Fiosh And thank you very much, man and Fiosh, for illustrating the VERY essence of differing interpretation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCruise Posted March 21, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 633 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/05/1953 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Now if you would just make Fiosh a she instead of a he oooopppsss!! Have I been saying "he" and Fiosh is actually a "she"? There should be a "gender indicator" under the name in the posts! course, "he" is better than "it", right? just kidding! lol! Ok, "she" it is from now on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted March 21, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2007 Please do not turn this into a debate regarding the Catholic Church. That was not the intent of the OP. Thanks, The mod team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCruise Posted March 21, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 633 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/05/1953 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Please do not turn this into a debate regarding the Catholic Church. That was not the intent of the OP. Thanks, The mod team Not going there Eric. Wasn't going there anyway. Just trying to get clarification from Fiosh from "her" earlier post to me on "what church" she considered under "authority".....that was all. As I posted to Phil 2:12, I don't debate Church theologies and which one is right (anymore). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted March 21, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2007 Saints, Any additional posts that continue the debate regarding particular denominations will be removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted March 21, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2007 Saints, I have done my best to remove all references to a particular denomination. Please lets keep on topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted March 21, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2007 I am saying that we are not PERFECTLY conformed to Christ; well, that is unless you claim to be perfect. No, not saying that! on my way but .... not quite there. Your second point actually agrees with what I am saying. Well you said "sinless" so I did question that aspect. As for point 3 : I Tim 3: 15 "the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth. " Luke 10: 16 16 "Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me." " Notice Jesus doesn't say this to all His followers. He appoints 72 disciples...His "church leaders"....and gives them HIS AUTHORITY. Actually, Jesus didn't appoint anyone other than the twelve and one them fell into perdition. He had many disciples, sent out about seventy at one point early in His Ministry but, no one actually knows the count total at that point in Luke 10. But I am curious that if you see a specific Authority as "The Church", then which one or denomination? Yes, actually Jesus DID appoint the 72. If you check your Bible it specifically states that. Jesus set up His Church structure so that those He taught would teach and appoint others, etc. He did not allow for "loose cannons" to teach their own interpretations of Scripture. He gave that responsibility to the Church (whatever you see it to be). Those 2 missionaries were not following the Scriptural model of evangelization. Peace, Fiosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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