Scientific evidence for Noah's flood

[Guest youropinion]

"EVERY high hill was covered...EVERY land animal was wiped out", this was God's testimony to Moses...and Jesus says "they were ALL" taken away"

what part of ALL do you not understand? liberals running amuck in 2008

[Guest youropinion]

Yeah, I agree. The Bible clearly states that the "mountains were covered" and that the water "prevailed 15 cubits upward" so that the highest peaks were covered by 15 cubits of water.

Yeah, yeah, the scientist will say, "that's not possible".

I know its not. There isn't that much water on the surface of the earth, and probably isn't that much in the underground reservoirs either.

actually, there is

http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/246

The globe-covering Flood of Noah involved, among other things, the breaking up of "all the fountains of the great deep" (Genesis 7:11). This suggests a world-wide fracturing of the earth's crust and the violent expulsion of water, vapours and other subterranean material such as volcanic lava. New evidence from inside the earth casts intriguing light on this global-scale scenario.

Scientists have long thought that the hot interior of the earth would be very dry, because the heat would have vaporised and driven off any water. But according to a report in New Scientist, certain minerals, even under the intense heat and pressure deep underground, can store lots of water.1 Models of the mantle, that part of the earth between the molten core and the solid crust, and notably the "transition zone" between the upper and lower mantle, now describe it as "sopping wet".2

What's more, it seems that hot wet rocks are more unstable than hot dry rocks. This new information may now explain "why massive volcanic outbursts suddenly flood[ed] hundreds of thousands of square kilometres [of land] with lava", as observed in a number of different parts of the geological record.3

Who could ask for a more graphic description of the behaviour of the "fountains of the great deep"? It is interesting that even today, up to 70% or more of what comes out of volcanoes is water, mostly in the form of vapour.

So how much water is stored in the mantle? Estimates vary from 10 to 30 times the amount in all the earth's present oceans! Is it possible for the mantle to suddenly release this water and for the earth to be "drowned from below"? The author concluded that a "sudden outpouring of water, Noah-style", was unlikely.4 His conclusion is consistent with God's promise to Noah, sealed by the sign of the rainbow, never to destroy the earth with water again (Genesis 9:11-17).

We know from Scripture that water once poured from the "fountains of the great deep" for five months, so that the ancient world was once literally "drowned from below".

Even after all that, there is still a vast reservoir of subterranean water inside the earth. Its very existence, and the dramatic effect it has on the behaviour of the earth's hot interior, indicates once again that the ancient Bible stories are not mythical but are historical facts and simple descriptions of a sobering physical reality.

Edited January 24, 2008 by youropinion

[Guest youropinion]

You don't actually think some hominids built an ark, do you?

lol

it's truly amazing to me, when people abandon the simple truth of God's Word, the INSANE ideas that become believable to them

[WillingToDie]

lol

it's truly amazing to me, when people abandon the simple truth of God's Word, the INSANE ideas that become believable to them

That would be your opinion, immovable truth.

Clever

[Lcash]

LCash,

You don't actually think some hominids built an ark, do you?

yes I do. There is nothing scientifically that would prevent them from building an Ark that could house the animals needed for their purposes. We are not talking about ship sized boats here. Just large enough for the domestic animals and food animals.

One thing to remember about this time (Whenever it was) the people on the Ark lost whatever technological advances there were to that point. Basically they would have to start over in their technology and we do not know how advanced they were at that point. Imagine if you and your immediate family were the only survivors of a catastrophic flood. Would you be able to replicate the technology you are used to having?

Lcash

[BibleArcheology]

So far as a practicing geologist I have seen no evidence and have been presented no scientific evidence that the flood of Noah was anything other than a regional flood. I believe it was universal in that it effected all mankind but I do not believe it was global. Since at the time man was located in one geographic region in Mesopotamia it is possible that the flood was the "Black Sea" flood or even further back in time could have been the flood of the mediteranean sea. At one time the Mediteranean was a dry valley and the conditions would have been exactly as Genesis points out as before the flood. When the headland at Gibralter broke and let in the Atlantic ocean the resulting updraft of moist air would have caused torrential rain that could have lasted months. The pressure against the shores of Africa and Egypt would have caused a sudden gushing of water from the earth just as it says in Genesis.

So, if you believe that the flood of Noah was global please give it your best shot. Keep to the facts and don't call names.

Lcash

Several evidences:

Large extinction of animals as found in the geologic column. So huge that they are given independent names. The cambrian layer, for example, covers those animals that were buried in the sea. They were buried first.

Fossil types are found in horizontal layers that stretch across continents.

The nature of preservation involves rapid burial in sediments, otherwise the animals would be scavenged or rotted.

The extent of the preservation, ie huge fossil beds indicates many died at once. These beds extend across continents.

Huge coal and petroleum deposists that stretch across the world.

BA

[BibleArcheology]

So far as a practicing geologist I have seen no evidence and have been presented no scientific evidence that the flood of Noah was anything other than a regional flood. I believe it was universal in that it effected all mankind but I do not believe it was global. Since at the time man was located in one geographic region in Mesopotamia it is possible that the flood was the "Black Sea" flood or even further back in time could have been the flood of the mediteranean sea. At one time the Mediteranean was a dry valley and the conditions would have been exactly as Genesis points out as before the flood. When the headland at Gibralter broke and let in the Atlantic ocean the resulting updraft of moist air would have caused torrential rain that could have lasted months. The pressure against the shores of Africa and Egypt would have caused a sudden gushing of water from the earth just as it says in Genesis.

So, if you believe that the flood of Noah was global please give it your best shot. Keep to the facts and don't call names.

Lcash

More evidence for Noah's Flood:

[url="http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=fbee6eb51551100fda77

BA

[doverfish]

So far as a practicing geologist I have seen no evidence and have been presented no scientific evidence that the flood of Noah was anything other than a regional flood. I believe it was universal in that it effected all mankind but I do not believe it was global. Since at the time man was located in one geographic region in Mesopotamia it is possible that the flood was the "Black Sea" flood or even further back in time could have been the flood of the mediteranean sea. At one time the Mediteranean was a dry valley and the conditions would have been exactly as Genesis points out as before the flood. When the headland at Gibralter broke and let in the Atlantic ocean the resulting updraft of moist air would have caused torrential rain that could have lasted months. The pressure against the shores of Africa and Egypt would have caused a sudden gushing of water from the earth just as it says in Genesis.

So, if you believe that the flood of Noah was global please give it your best shot. Keep to the facts and don't call names.

Lcash

Several evidences:

Large extinction of animals as found in the geologic column. So huge that they are given independent names. The cambrian layer, for example, covers those animals that were buried in the sea. They were buried first.

Fossil types are found in horizontal layers that stretch across continents.

The nature of preservation involves rapid burial in sediments, otherwise the animals would be scavenged or rotted.

The extent of the preservation, ie huge fossil beds indicates many died at once. These beds extend across continents.

Huge coal and petroleum deposists that stretch across the world.

BA

This is where Chistian's interested in using science to back up thier views have to be careful. Emerging science is beginning to show that coal and oil are natural byproducts of the planet and that the earth replenishes the supply somehow. Do not fall into the trap that bacause they are called "fossil" fuels they are simply pooled remains of dinosaurs. Also, almost all dinosaur remains are found BELOW a layer called the Iridium Layer. This layer is found everywhere in the world, and is visible where it is exposed. The layer appears to be sediment deposited worldwide after a meteor implact neear the Yucatan Peninsula. Of course many died at once. But the evidence shows they died during or after an impact event, not a flood.

Furthermore, it is wrong to think that an animal has to be covered quickly to become a fossil. In fact, if you look at T-Rex, a complete skeleton has never been found. The layout of most skeletons indicate the animal first stiffened from rigor and bent backward. Then flooding and scavenging moved or removed some bones. The rest of the skeleton was gradually covered by sediment over years of regional flooding. We see the effects of this sediment layering in the hundreds of feet of sediment piled above the skeleton (and above the Iridium Layer). The only reasons we even find these fossils is that thousands of years of erosion have exposed them to our view.

Finally, and I am not being snide here ( I swear)--but not one single human fossil has ever been found among these massive fossil beds you mentioned. If a global flood wiped out the dinosaurs and all but Noah's family, we'd find the people too.

[givennewname]

Gen 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high mountains that were under the whole heaven were covered.

Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both birds, and cattle, and beasts, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

The Biblical account of the flood stated that the waters covered all the high mountains under heaven were covered. How ever one tries to translate verse, the truth is rather obvious. the Flood was universal. that is the only way to interprete the words "under heaven"

[doverfish]

Gen 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high mountains that were under the whole heaven were covered.

Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both birds, and cattle, and beasts, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

The Biblical account of the flood stated that the waters covered all the high mountains under heaven were covered. How ever one tries to translate verse, the truth is rather obvious. the Flood was universal. that is the only way to interprete the words "under heaven"

Maybe "interpreting" is the wrong thing to do here. Maybe readers should seek to "understand" the writer. From the writer's perspective, the entire known world was covered with water. That's all that matters. The only good reason for "interpreting" under heaven to mean the whole world is to find an explanation for things like dinosaur extinctions and the Grand Canyon, ect... These things obviously took time that literalists can't account for. Besides, remember God's beef was with sinful men. If, as most literalist believe, civilization was limited to the Fertile Crescent area--why would God destroy the whole planet? The entire world, as the writer understood it, was covered with water and destroyed.