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During that time all things earthly revert back to the time before Christ while God deal with Israel--to the Law. How were people declared righteous before Christ? I don't see this as correct. Who will seal us in Him? Who will convict the world of sin? Who will teach us all truth? Who will empower us in service? Who will be here to witness to the lost? I have not been of the school of pre-trib or mid-trib rapture for more years then not. I don't know when the rapture will occur, but I don't see in scripture that we will be taken away before the tribulation. I believe that God will protect His own during times of trouble, not remove us when the tribulation comes, or the beast appears. How were all the OT believers sealed? How were they convicted of their sin? The two prophets. The 144,000. They were not. Can you show me where it states in scripture where Christ removes Himself and His Spirit during the last seven or three and a half years? I can show scripture where He says that He will never leave nor forsake us. People do follow Christ until the very end. The two Prophets and the 144,000 are for the Jewish people. What about the rest of the world? Some object to this being the Holy Spirit on the grounds that to katechon in 2 Thessalonians 2:6 is neuter ("what is holding back"). But this is no problem for two reasons: (a) The neuter is sometimes used of the Holy Spirit (John i14:26; 15:26; 16:13-14). (b) In 2 Thessalonians 2:7 the words are masculine: ho katechōn , the one who . . . holds it back. How does He do it? Through Christians, whom He indwells and through whom He works in society to hold back the swelling tide of lawless living. How will He be taken out of the way? When the church leaves the earth in the Rapture, the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the way in the sense that His unique lawlessness-restraining ministry through God's people will be removed (Gen. 6:3). The removal of the Restrainer at the time of the Rapture must obviously precede the day of the Lord. Paul's reasoning is thus a strong argument for the pretribulational Rapture: the Thessalonians were not in the Great Tribulation because the Rapture had not yet occurred. http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teaching/ ... pture.html

It seems that when we do the math,..we begin to realize that we are on the edge of eternity. I strongly sense that we will be going home to be with the Lord extremely soon. There are some things that I would like to point out. When we read the book of Daniel 9;24.......we see the words..."Your people"(referring to Daniels people the Jewish race.) In the meantime,..the Lord is gathering a people from among the gentile nations. But when the "Fullness of the Gentiles" has come in,...we know that the Lord will come to take His Bride home. Then afterward,....we know that Russia and the outter Islamic nations will attempt to attack Israel, and that the Lord will destroy the invading armies. But take notice,...that in Ezekiel 38;14...it states: "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it?" What I want to point out here are the words...."My People" We know that after the rapture, that the Lord will turn His attention back to His People(The Jewish race). But when we read 1 Thessalonians 5;3...we observe the following: What stands out are the words..."They"......"Them"...and...."They" It is as though this indicates the Bride was not around when these words were proclaimed by the world. I believe that the beginning era of when the world and Israel will carelessly believe that they are now at peace,is when the following prophecies come to pass. The thing about this though, is that there is strong indiction that it may very well come to pass before this year has expired.In the Isaiah 17;1/Psalms 83 prophecy,..I believe that Israel will obtain the land that God had promised abraham. The following are those involved in the Psalms 83 war,...and keep in mind that these have confederated together. The tribes mentioned in Psalms 83 are the inner ring of Islamic nations that are today, preparing to attack Israel. These nations are not involved in the Ezekial 38 battle. Tents of Edom-Palestinians and So.Jordanians Ishmaelites-Saudis(Ishmael father of arabs) Moab-Palestinans and central Jordanians Hagrites-Hagnarenes-Egyptians Gebal-Hezbollah and No. Lebanese Ammon-Palestinans and No.Jordanian Amalek-Arabs of the Sinai area Philistia-Hamas of the Gaza Strip Tyre-Hezbollah and So. Lebanese Assyria-Syrians and Northern Iraq's I believe that Damascus Syria will be destroyed the same time as when Psalms 83 occurs. Israel has a Motto towards their enemies...."NEVER AGAIN!!!" It just so happens that these nations make up the land that is promised to Abrahams descendants,...this will consist of a small slice of Egypt,....All of Lebanon,...all of Syria.....Northern Iraq..... 1/3rd of Saudi Arabia....and all of Jordan(This explains the flight to petra and the mountainous region, when Israel flees in the A.O.D.) (The Daniel 11 prophecy has it that Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand,while on the other hand we see that Edom, Moab and Ammon are involved in the fight against Israel,rather than being delivered by his hand.) Again as we can see,..the 10 leaders of Daniel 7 are now present,and Hal Lindsey agrees with this in the following link: 08-05-2011 http://www.hallindsey.com/videos/?vid=210 (He talks about it in the second half of his program) It seems that these ten are officially here on the world scene and we know that these ten will eventually give their power and authority over unto the beast. OK,...with all this mentioned,...the following is what I am trying to point out. In Psalms 83;3,....we read the following: 3With cunning they conspire against your people;they plot against those you cherish. There it is again!........"Your People" There is a strong possibilty that we the Bride,..may be going home extremely soon,..I believe that we are on the edge of eternity.

We know that the holy spirit is omnipresent and was present before the creation of the world. The old testament saints,..where worthy of heaven when they had lived and died in faith.Their works followed them.King David cried out that the Holy Spirit would not be taken from him when he had committed adultery.Under the Mosiac Law,....if you committed one sin,...then it was like committing them all. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. The comforter is the Holy Spirit, but yet keep in mind that the Holy spirit is omnipresent. This means that the Holy Spirit(Comforter)had a special task to do on earth! And on the day of Pentecost,...The church age was born! Each person who comes to the cross of calvary and ask's the Lord into their heart,...the Holy Spirit seals them with the promise. And when the Comforter 's task is completed on this earth,(The Fullness of the Gentiles)...The Holy Spirit indwelt Bride which hinders the revealing of the son of perdition,....is taken out of the way. This usage is that of God"s Spirit carrying someone away. We see this usage illustrated in Acts 8:39 where Philip, upon completion of the baptism of the Ethiopian eunuch,...and the Holy Spirit indwells each believer,.and when He is taken out of the way...The Holy Spirit takes the Bride with Him. The church age will be over,the bride caught up into the air to meet the Lord. The Holy spirit is still omnipresent,...and those who were left behind will have one of the greatest incentives the world has ever wittnessed to come to Christ Jesus...THE RAPTURE!. But things will revert back to the way it was before the church age had began on the day of Pentecost.

If anyone here is interested in viewing the completed blueprints to the coming Tribulation temple,..I have provided the link below. http://www.templeinstitute.org/blueprints-for-the-holy-temple.htm

The Following was written by a friend of mine and I thought that by posting it here that many would gain a greater insight into the Word of God.......God bless to you all and enjoy! This is taken from my notes on my observations comparing the Olivette Discourse as recorded by Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Let’s examine the differences between the three accounts of this discourse. I will quote Matthew’s account completely, and then will add those verses from Mark and Luke which give additional details. There are specific differences between these three records of a single teaching. I believe that Jesus taught all of these things, and that these three writers focused on the particular aspects of Jesus’ teaching that the Holy Spirit chose. I suggest that the differences can be accounted for by the apparent focus of each gospel writer. Many believe that Matthew’s target audience was his countrymen, that Mark wrote targeting the Jews who lived thoughout the Roman Empire, and Luke, the gentile, writing to the gentiles, and anyone anywhere. I’ll have more to say on this later. Luke (1) And having looked up, He saw the rich ones putting their gifts into the treasury. (2) And He also saw a certain poor widow putting two lepta there. (3) And He said, Truly I say to you, This poor widow put in more than all. (4) For all these out of their abundance put into the gifts to God, but she out of her poverty put in all the living which she had. For all the demonstrations of pride and extravagance, the Pharisees and priests in their robes, and the rich with their fancy gifts, Jesus holds up this poor widow, whom I wouldn’t be surprised if no one else noticed, to say this is the one who pleased Him. Of all the gold and gems that were to be used to further decorate and adorn the temple, what Jesus valued most was the sacrificial heart of this seemingly insignificant woman. Matthew (1) And going out, Jesus left the temple. And His disciples came to show Him the buildings of the temple. Mark (1) . . . Behold! What kind of stones and what kind of buildings! Luke (5) . . . that it had been adorned with beautiful stones and gifts, The disciples had been looking at the temple, with its rich decorations, while Jesus had been watching the people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (2) But Jesus said to them, Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, There will not at all be left one stone on a stone which in no way will not be thrown down. (3) And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when will these things be? And, What is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age? Mark (3) . . . Peter and James and John and Andrew questioned Him privately: (4) Tell us when these things shall be? And what is the sign when all these things are about to be done? The disciples are asking Jesus four questions: 1. When will the destruction of the temple be? 2. What will be the sign when the temple is about to be destroyed? 3. What is the sign of Jesus’ coming? 4. What is the sign of the end of the age? They are asking about events that begin with the destruction of the temple by Titus, and complete what will turn out to be around 2000 years later. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (4) And answering, Jesus said to them, See that not any leads you astray. (5) For many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ. And they will cause many to be led astray. Luke (8b)For many will come on My name, saying, I AM! Also, The time has come! Do not go after them. Luke add, "also, the time has come", as if it had not actually come yet. Matthew and Mark do not include that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (6) But you are going to hear of wars and rumors of wars. See, do not be terrified. For all things must take place, but the end is not yet. Luke (9) And when you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be afraid. For these things must first occur, but the end is not at once.-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (7) For nation will be raised against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines and plagues and earthquakes against many places. (8) But all these are a beginning of throes (Gk. Odin – pangs). Luke (11) . . .And also there will be terrors and great signs from Heaven.-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (9) Then they will deliver you up to affliction (thlipsis), and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. (10) And then many will be offended, and they will deliver up one another and will hate one another. (11) And many false prophets will be raised and will cause many to err. (12) And because lawlessness shall have been multiplied, the love of the many will grow cold. (13) But the one who endures to the end, that one will be kept safe. (14) And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the earth for a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end. Mark (9) But you yourselves be careful, for they will deliver you up to sanhedrins and to synagogues. You will be beaten, and you will be led before governors and kings for My sake, for a testimony to them. (10) And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all the nations. (11) But whenever they lead you away, delivering you, do not be anxious beforehand, what you should say, nor meditate. But whatever may be given to you in that hour, speak that. For you are not those speaking, but the Holy Spirit. (12) And a brother will deliver up a brother to death, and a father the child. And children will rise up on parents and will put them to death. (13) And you will be hated by all on account of My name. But the one enduring to the end, that one will be kept safe. Luke (12) But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you, and will persecute you, delivering you into the synagogues and prisons, being led away before kings and governors on account of My name. (13) But it will return to you for a testimony. (14) Then put into your hearts not to premeditate to make a defense. (15) For I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all those opposing you will not be able to withstand or contradict. (16) But you will be betrayed also by parents, and brothers, and relatives, and friends. And they will put some of you to death, (17) And you will be hated by all because of My name. (18) And a hair of your head shall in no way perish. (19) By your patience you will gain your souls. Matthew: Persecution begins after the beginning of birth pangs National persecution (hated by all nations) Those enduring to the end will be kept safe Mark: Individual persecution (but you yourselves. . .) Jewish and gentile lands (delivered to sanhedrins and synagogues, kings and governors) Those enduring to the end will be kept safe Luke: Persecution comes before birth pangs Personal persecution (delivered by parents, etc.) Jewish and gentile lands The patient will “gain their soul” Luke is writing about a different persecution. Matthew and Mark describe persecution that comes after the birth pangs, Luke describes persecution that comes before the birth pangs. Matthew’s description is consistent within Jewish lands, Mark and Luke in Jewish and gentile lands. Matthew and Mark speak of those who must endure the persecution to the end, Luke speaks of those who simply must remain patient. Matthew and Mark speak of those who will be kept safe, Luke those who gain their souls. This is consistent with Matthew writing to the Jews in Isreal who would enter the 70th Week, Mark writing to the Jews anywhere in the world who would enter the 70th Week, and Luke writing to Jews and gentiles who would be saved before the 70th Week, and would not enter it. Revelation 3:10 Because you kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep you out of the hour of trial which is going to come on all the habitable world in order to try those dwelling on the earth -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (15) Then when you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (the one reading, let him understand), Mark (14a) But when you see "the abomination of desolation," the one spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not (he reading, let him understand), Luke (20) And when you see Jerusalem being encircled by armies, then recognize that its destruction has come near. This difference between Matthew’s and Luke’s record continues, and becomes more clear. Matthew and Mark are speaking of the desecration of the temple. This will happen in the middle of the 70th Week, and will be of utmost importance to the Jews during the 70th week. Luke is speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem, important to Jews and Christians during the church age. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (16) then let those in Judea flee into the mountains; Mark (14b) then let those in Judea flee into the mountains. Luke (21a) Then let those in Judea flee into the mountains; Their instructions are the same – Get into the mountains! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (17) the one on the housetop, let him not go down to take anything out of his house; Luke (21b) and those in its midst, let them go out.-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (18) and the one in the field, let him not turn back to take his garment. Luke (21c) And those in the open spaces, let them not go into her. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (19) But woe to the ones having a child in womb, and to those suckling in those days! (20) And pray that your flight will not occur in winter nor in a sabbath. (21) For there will be great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be. (22) And except those days were shortened, not any flesh would be saved. But on account of the elect, those days will be shortened. Luke (22) For these are days of vengeance when all things that have been written are to be fulfilled. (23) But woe to the pregnant women, and the ones suckling in those days; for great distress will be on the earth and wrath on this people. (24) And they will fall by the mouth of the sword and will be led captive to all the nations. And Jerusalem will be trodden down by nations, until the times of the nations are fulfilled. Again we see significant differences between Matthew and Luke: Matthew “... not in a sabbath” – again, important to the Jews Greatest affliction ever in the world Days will be shortened lest everyone be killed Luke No mention of sabbath All things that have been written will be fulfilled Great distress on the earth and wrath upon this people The Jews will go to captivity, Jerusalem trodden by the nations Matthew records a prophecy of the end of the age. Luke records a prophecy of the conquering of the Jews, and occupation of Jerusalem. Matthew is talking about the great tribulation, the unfinished 70th Week of Daniel, while Luke is talking about the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, and the dispersion of the Jews. Matthew tells us that unless it were cut short, everyone on the earth would die. Luke tells us all will be fulfilled, and that the captivity and diaspora would run their coarse, until the time was over. One thing about this, Luke is not saying that every prophecy that was ever given would be fulfilled in this time frame, we know that can’t be what he meant. I think he meant that all the curses given for Israel’s disobedience would come upon the people at this time, and would, again, run their course. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (23) Then if anyone says to you, Behold, here is the Christ! Or, Here! Do not believe. (24) For false christs and false prophets will rise up. And they will give great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. (25) Behold, I tell you beforehand. (26) Then if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness; do not go out. Behold, He is in the inner rooms; do not believe. (27) For as the lightning comes forth from the east and shines as far as the west, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man. (28) For wherever the dead body may be, there the eagles will be gathered.-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (29) And immediately after the affliction of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Luke (25) And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars. And on the earth will be anxiety of nations with bewilderment, roaring of sea and of surf, (26) men fainting from fear, and expectation of the things coming on the earth. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Here Luke sums up the events of the tribulation in a couple of lines, as if he is writing to those who will not experience it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (30) And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the heavens. And then all the tribes of the land will wail. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and much glory. (31) And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens to their ends. Luke (27) And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and much glory. (28) But these things beginning to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near. Matthew writes of those who will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, sending His angels to gather His chosen. Luke writes "they will see the Son of Man coming . . .", then says, these beginning to happen, lift up your head, your redemption is getting close. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (32) But learn the parable of the fig tree: When its branch becomes tender and it puts out leaves, you know that the summer is near; (33) so also you, when you see all these things, know that it is near at the doors. Luke (29) And He spoke a parable to them: You see the fig tree and all the trees. (30) Now when they sprout leaves, seeing it, you will know from yourselves that now the summer is near. (31) So also when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. “The Parable of the Fig Tree” – Matthew and Mark both say “fig tree”, Israel only. Luke says “fig tree and all the trees”, Israel and all the nations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (34) Truly I say to you, In no way will this generation pass away until all these things have occurred. (35) The heaven and the earth will pass away, but My Words will not pass away, never! (36) But as to that day and that hour, no one knows, neither the angels of Heaven, except My Father only. (37) But as the days of Noah, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man. (38) For as they were in the days before the flood: eating, and drinking, marrying, and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah went into the ark. (39) And they did not know until the flood came and took all away. So also will be the coming of the Son of Man. (40) At that time two will be out in the field; the one is taken away, and the one is left; (41) two grinding at the mill; one is taken away, and one is left. (42) Watch, then, for you do not know in what hour your Lord comes. Here, as in Luke 17, Jesus compares the time of His coming to the time of Noah. But unlike in Luke 17, He does not compare it to the time of Lot. Lot serves as a type of the church, which is removed prior to judgment. Noah serves as a type of Israel, preserved through judgment. Mark (33) Watch! Be wakeful, and pray. For you do not know when the time is. (34) As a man going away, leaving his house, and giving his slaves authority, and to each his work (and he commanded the doorkeeper, that he watch), (35) then you watch, for you do not know when the lord of the house is coming, at evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrowing, or early; (36) so that he may not come suddenly and find you sleeping. (37) And what I say to you, I say to all. Watch! Mark’s account end’s here. This parable expresses the same points as the parables in Matthew. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew (43) But know this, that if the housemaster had known in what watch the thief comes, he would have watched and not have allowed his house to be dug through. (44) Because of this, you also be ready, for in that hour you think not, the Son of Man comes. Luke (34) But take heed to yourselves that your hearts not be loaded down with headaches, and drinking, and anxieties of life, and that day come suddenly upon you (35) as a snare, for it will come in on all those sitting on the face of all the earth. Isa. 24:17 (36) Then be watchful at every time, begging that you be counted worthy to escape all these things, the things being about to happen, and to stand before the Son of Man. (37) And in the days, He was teaching in the temple. And going out in the nights, He lodged in the Mount of Olives. (38) And all the people came early to Him in the temple, to hear Him. Both Matthew and Luke summerize at this point, but again, differently. While Matthew expresses watchfulness towards the coming of the Son of Man, Luke expresses watchfulness towards ourselves, that we would escape the coming judgments. In saying “that you be counted worthy to escape all these things,” we don’t escape because we know the right time to run, but because we are catagorized as the right kind of people. We know that our only “worthiness” is to receive Jesus’ righteousness. This is consistent with the church being removed from the earth in the pre-trib rapture. Conclusion I think Matthew wrote his gospel targeting a Jewish audience. He portrays Jesus as the Son of David, King of Israel. His record of the Olivette Discourse is specifically geared towards the Jews, and “national Israel”. He includes the prophecies of the end of the age, the coming of Jesus, the teaching of expectation, the parables of the coming, and the sheep and goats judgment, as the nations are judge concerning their treatment of Israel (compare to Joel 3). Mark is commonly believed to have written Peter’s recollections. Peter was called the apostle to the circumcision (Gal 2:8 “For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles”). He is known to have had ministered to the Jewish communities outside of Israel. His letters were written to the “exiles of the diaspora”, the dispersion. He records Jesus’ teaching with much the same focus as Matthew, the minor differences reflective of Peter’s apostleship to Jews in both Israel and gentile lands. Luke portrays Jesus as the Son of Man, Savior of the world. He gives a much different emphasis in his record. While Matthew and Mark record the persecution of the Jews, Luke records the persecution of the church prior to the 70th week. Instead of writing about the Abomination of Desolation, as do Matthew and Mark, Luke records the prophecy of the Roman destruction of Jerusalem. With the exception of 2 verses directly relating to Jesus’ coming in power and glory, Luke writes primarily of those events that take place before the 70th week. Matthew, Mark, and Luke each record Jesus’ teaching of expectancy, but again, Luke gives a different emphasis. While Matthew and Mark are both writing of the surprise coming of Jesus, and the importance of enduring to the end, Luke writes about the surprise coming of that day, and the possibility of escaping those things being about to happen. John portrays Jesus as the Son of God, the Good Shepherd, and while John’s gospel does not include any of this discourse, John did record what none of the others did, Jesus’ end times teaching given specifically and personally to the disciples in particular, in John 14, of the rapture: John 14:1-3 1 Do not let your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father's house are many dwelling places. But if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going to prepare a place for you! 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you to Myself, that where I am you may be also. Jesus is going to heaven, and the only time He will be taking people to be with Him in heaven is at the rapture, when the church is taken from the earth. Following the 70th Week, Jesus returns to earth, and any who join Him will Join him there, on the earth. So as Matthew writes his gospel of the Son of David, King of Israel, telling what will happen to the sons of David, and father Abraham, and Luke writes of the Son of Man, telling what will happen to the sons of Adam, John writes of the Son of God, and tells what will happen to God’s children.

A few years ago,..I had just come in from church and I went to my bedroom and began prayingand just talking to the Lord like a friend,..after awhile I began to praise him with lifted hands,..and then I just became silient,..getting everything out of my head. After awhile,..the Lord spoke to me in a very quite voice, like a small whisper,..and He said,....."Go see your dad" And I thought to myself..."Ok I 'll tell him that I love him" But I waited 3 days before I left to go see him. It had bee a couple years since I had last seen him and I was not certain which street he lived on. But as I was in the neighborhood,..the Holy Spirit was all over me,..electricity all over me. But I found his home, and there he was in the back using a post hole digger, setting up a fence for his beloved dog. Well I talked to him for a few minutes,straining not to mention the Lord to him....and then he said to me.."Benny Ray..you want to come in the house with me?" And I replied,.."Sure Dad,..I'll go in the house with you." Well unknown to me,..My dads wife's daughter was there visiting from California.I sat on the big couch and I began to talk to her. Well,...anyone who knows me knows that I cannot keep my mouth shut about Jesus and somehow, someway I'm gonna find a way to start a conversation about Him and His coming back to take us home. She listened to me, and even responded in a nice and polite negetive way. And My Dad said,...All right benny Ray,..we do not want to hear any preaching. And I said,..Ok Dad. About that time,..My dad said,..Benny ray,..you want to eat some pizza with us? And I said,..Sure Dad I'll eat some pizza with you. So I went into the kitchen,..and My dads wife sat on one end of the table(Table was up against the wall) and her daughter sat on the other end,...And I thought to myself,..I think i'll just sit right in the middle of them both! Well here we were eating pizza, and my dad was pacing back and forth behind me,..and I was smiling to myself because I knew the reason why that he was pacing back and forth behind me was because he was gonna make sure that I did not talk about Jesus,..I knew my dad very well. Well a few minutes later ,..my dads wife got up from the table and before she left,..she was behind me,..and her daughter, I could see was looking up above my head and I knew that My dads wife was taking her finger twirling and pointing it towards her head,to indicate to her daughter that I was sick in the head.I was smiling on the inside,..but you could sense the spirit of dread coming from them. Anyway about that time,..My dad said,...Benny Ray,..you want to go to the store with me? I said yes,..But I knew he was really trying to make sure that I would not talk about Jesus while he was gone and smiling I said ...sure dad,..I'll go to the store with with. Well off we went in his old white pickup truck,...it was misting outside and his wind shield wipers did not work,..and yet he managed to drive straight. About half way to the store I said,...Dad,..when did your wifes daughter get here from California? He said,....."THREE DAYS AGO".......And it was immediately that I realized why the Lord told me to go see your dad. When she came in from California,..that was when the Lord told me to go see him. When we return to his house,..the daughter was still sitting at the table and I sat down with her. And you know the drill!...Yes,..my dad was again pacing back and forth making sure that I did not talk about Jesus,...well Being that she was from California and How I have a great interest in prospecting for gold with a metal detector,...I asked about the area that she lived in,..and that was what the conversation mainly consisted about. Well my dad decided to go outside,..And I looked at the daughter,..and said,......"I will probally not ever get to meet you again in this lifetime. Do you mind if I tell you a story that you will never forget for the rest of your life? And she agreed to hear my story. I explained the Gospel to her in such a way as she had never heard it explained in this way before, but it really opens up ones eyes!,..and I explained to Her who the Lord had told me to go see my dad and about the time she had flew in from California. Tears were flowing down this hard core womans face behind her glasses,..and I knew the Holy Spirit was working on her. With that,......I got up and Shook her hand and told her that Jesus loves her,..and about that time,..My dad and his wife came in from outside,..and I walked up to both of them and told them that I loved them,..and as I was driving away in my car,..I could see all three of them in my rearview mirror looking staring at me,..and I smiled from ear to ear,.because I had just saw the hand of God move on my dads wife's daughter. Without faith,..it is impossible to please God.

That depends on the person,..and what you have to understand is never attempt to witness on an interlectual level without Jesus.Always pray first,..walk in the Spirit, and listen. I'll tell you another story tomorrow if the Lord willing.

Yes, the battle of Gog/Magog will happen after the 1000 year reign. When the 1000 years are up, Satan is releases for "a little while" to gather another army from the four corners of the world. Both battles against the Lord concerns all nations. Revelation 19:19 "And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army." and Revelation 20:7-8 "Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea." By the sounds of it, the latter battle is greater then the former. What I am saying is that Christ protects His children through all that has ever happened to His people, using the plagues of Egypt, the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as examples. I ask you this. Who were the Jewish people looking for in the Messiah? Was He to be a sacrifice or a King that ruled the world? Those who rejected Jesus believed that the Messiah will come as King of Kings, as He will in His next coming. Because of this, they rejected Christ and His salvation, so yes, when He does return, it will not bode well for those who reject Christ. Does this clear it up? You Quote: Yes, the battle of Gog/Magog will happen after the 1000 year reign. When the 1000 years are up, Satan is releases for "a little while" to gather another army from the four corners of the world. Both battles against the Lord concerns all nations. Revelation 19:19 "And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army." and Revelation 20:7-8 "Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea." My Reply: First of all Although Gog and Magog are both mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39, this rebellion is not the same event, as a comparison of several factors reveals: This prophecy of Ezekiel concerning Gog and Magog cannot be identified with the prophecy in Rev. 20:7-10+ for three reasons. The former takes place before the Kingdom is established on earth; the latter after this Kingdom. Also, in Ezekiel the invasion comes only from the north, but in Revelation it comes from the ‘four quarters of the earth.’ Furthermore, the rebellion of Gog and Magog and their destruction in Rev. 20:7-10+ marks the ushering in of the eternal state (Rev. 20:11-15+); but in Ezekiel it is preliminary to the Millennial Kingdom on earth.4 First, the Ezekiel invasion comes from the north; the Revelation invasion comes from all over the world; Second, this view also fails to answer the problem of the seven months and seven years. This earth is done away with soon after the invasion mentioned in Revelation, not allowing any time (or place!) for seven months of burial or seven years of burning. Gog is prophecied to be buried in the Ezekiel 38 battle, including his army. But in the Gog battle at the end of tne millennium,... fire came down from heaven and devoured them, no buriel. Ezekiel 38: 11“‘On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east towardb the Sea.c It will block the way of travelers, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the Valley of Hamon Gog. You Quote: What I am saying is that Christ protects His children through all that has ever happened to His people, using the plagues of Egypt, the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as examples. I ask you this. Who were the Jewish people looking for in the Messiah? Was He to be a sacrifice or a King that ruled the world? Those who rejected Jesus believed that the Messiah will come as King of Kings, as He will in His next coming. Because of this, they rejected Christ and His salvation, so yes, when He does return, it will not bode well for those who reject Christ. Does this clear it up? My Reply: Not quite,....Are you saying that there will be unbelieving Jews at the Sheep and Goat Judgement? a yes or no will do. You Quote: What I am saying is that Christ protects His children through all that has ever happened to His people, using the plagues of Egypt, the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as examples. My Reply: So how do you explain revelation 13;7He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. Do you think that these were protected? I would say that with a multitude that no man could number as dieing for their faith was not what I would call being physicly protected,..especially since the Lord granted the beast authority to kill them.

It's been a long time since someone has claimed that the Dasy of the Lord was one day long or basicly 24 hours long. But this is easily refuted. Daniel 11;36 The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. In Rev. 15:1, the “bowl judgments” are “the seven last plagues”, after the other plagues. The trumpets are also called plagues in Rev. 9:20. The “seven last plagues” must happen after the other plagues. The Wrath of God is complete in the Bowl Judgements. revelation 6;17 is not a description of anticipation.....that would go against scripture.....it is that the Lord comes as a thief in the night to the unbelievers,...and the Bride will not be hiding from the Lord.16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! Revelation 6:16–17 is a summary statement of all the previous seal judgments. Revelation 6:15–17 is an overall report of the human response to God’s judgment as administered through all six seal judgments.The controlling verb in verse 17, “is come” (êlthen), “is aorist indicative, referring to a previous arrival of the wrath, not something that is about to take place” Matthew 24;39 occurs after the Great Tribulation and revelation 6;17 occurs at the beginning of the Day of the Lord. Ezekiel 38 cannot be scripturally placed at Armageddon for a multitude of scriptural reasons, at the end of Daniels 70th week,....for that matter,..Ezekiel 38 cannot scripturally be placed inside of Daniels 70th week,..therefore, The wrath of God begins with Ezekiel 38;18-20 You my friend are right inside the general time era of when the pre-trib rapture will occur.That general time era is between now, and sometimes shortly after the coming Isaiah 17;1/Psalms 83 war that todat is currently brewing in the middle east. You haven't refuted anything here. Scripture says the "day" of the Lord, not "days" of the Lord, meaning one day, which is the Day He comes back to earth. I never mentioned anything different about the seals, trumpets or bowl, except their arrive over a period of time, not in one day, so I don't know where yo are going with this one. The great day of His wrath is not the Lords day. The two are not the same. Matthew 24:36-44 only describes the fact that nobody knows, not even those who are saved. It is not a timeline for the seals to begin. Armageddon is placed within the wrath of God, as seen in Revelation 16 when the "sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." Gog/Magog is found in Revelation 20:7-10, after the 1000 year reign. You are correct though, Armageddon is not the Gog/Magog war. They are two different events. Armageddon before Christ returns and Gog/Magog after His 1000 year reign. I would recheck your timetable. You Quote: 5.Armageddon is placed within the wrath of God, as seen in Revelation 16 My Reply: I'm not clear on your interpretation here,..are you saying that Armageddon is fought by the Lord within revelation 16,...or are you saying that the war of Armageddon which is fought by the Lord is not view as the wrath of God? I am saying that "the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared." Nothing more, nothing less. Armageddon is the battle with the Kings of the East, where Gog/Magog is a battle with the Kings of the North. They are not the same battle. Compare the scriptures I gave you. I am sure those of Israel who are not saved, and look forward to the Day of the Lord from their understanding, as this is written to, will remember the words of Amos 5, but to us who are His, we all desire to be with Him, be it at anytime. Yes, the tribulation will be great to those who are not His, but as He brought the Hebrews out of Egypt, Noah through the flood, Lot out of Sodom, so will He bring us through the tribulation. His wrath is not for his children, but the children of disobedience. You Quote: I am saying that "the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared." Nothing more, nothing less. Armageddon is the battle with the Kings of the East, where Gog/Magog is a battle with the Kings of the North. They are not the same battle. Compare the scriptures I gave you. My Reply: Oh! I agree that Armageddon and Ezekiel 38 are not one and the same. But tell me,..when do you believe Ezekiel 38 will transpire? It is not the same event as the Gog battle at the end of the millennium,..there are many differences. But Armageddon is a battle between the Lord and all the armies of the world. revelation 19;19-21 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. You Quote: I am sure those of Israel who are not saved, and look forward to the Day of the Lord from their understanding, as this is written to, will remember the words of Amos 5, but to us who are His, we all desire to be with Him, be it at anytime. My Reply: You really not answering the question it seems to me,......Correct me if I am wrong,....In your view,..you are saying,.. If you are a christian during Daniels 70th week, then Amos 5;18-20 does not apply. But if a jew is unsaved at the return of the lord Jesus,..then amos 5;18-20 would apply. Maybe I am not understanding what you quoted here,..could you expand your explanation so that I could get a clearer understanding what you are saying here,..I do not want to assume anything if I can avoid doing so..Thanks. Oops! I didn't see the following quote. You Quote: Yes, the tribulation will be great to those who are not His, but as He brought the Hebrews out of Egypt, Noah through the flood, Lot out of Sodom, so will He bring us through the tribulation. His wrath is not for his children, but the children of disobedience. My Reply: A multitude that no man could number will die for their faith,..I would hardly call that being protected from his wrath.Revelation 13;7 He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. These scriptures reveal that your statement here is incorrect. Actually the Lord says that man will be as scarce as the Gold of Ophir when He returns. Isaiah 13;12-13 I will make man scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. Isaiah 13 points out two things that refute your claim that the Day of the Lord and Gods Wrath are not the same. Isaiah 13 does definately reveal that the Day of the Lord and Gods Wrath are one and the same as in Judgement on the world,...not only does it state this but it also reveals that Armageddon consists of Gods Wrath.

It's been a long time since someone has claimed that the Dasy of the Lord was one day long or basicly 24 hours long. But this is easily refuted. Daniel 11;36 The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. In Rev. 15:1, the “bowl judgments” are “the seven last plagues”, after the other plagues. The trumpets are also called plagues in Rev. 9:20. The “seven last plagues” must happen after the other plagues. The Wrath of God is complete in the Bowl Judgements. revelation 6;17 is not a description of anticipation.....that would go against scripture.....it is that the Lord comes as a thief in the night to the unbelievers,...and the Bride will not be hiding from the Lord.16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! Revelation 6:16–17 is a summary statement of all the previous seal judgments. Revelation 6:15–17 is an overall report of the human response to God’s judgment as administered through all six seal judgments.The controlling verb in verse 17, “is come” (êlthen), “is aorist indicative, referring to a previous arrival of the wrath, not something that is about to take place” Matthew 24;39 occurs after the Great Tribulation and revelation 6;17 occurs at the beginning of the Day of the Lord. Ezekiel 38 cannot be scripturally placed at Armageddon for a multitude of scriptural reasons, at the end of Daniels 70th week,....for that matter,..Ezekiel 38 cannot scripturally be placed inside of Daniels 70th week,..therefore, The wrath of God begins with Ezekiel 38;18-20 You my friend are right inside the general time era of when the pre-trib rapture will occur.That general time era is between now, and sometimes shortly after the coming Isaiah 17;1/Psalms 83 war that todat is currently brewing in the middle east. You haven't refuted anything here. Scripture says the "day" of the Lord, not "days" of the Lord, meaning one day, which is the Day He comes back to earth. I never mentioned anything different about the seals, trumpets or bowl, except their arrive over a period of time, not in one day, so I don't know where yo are going with this one. The great day of His wrath is not the Lords day. The two are not the same. Matthew 24:36-44 only describes the fact that nobody knows, not even those who are saved. It is not a timeline for the seals to begin. Armageddon is placed within the wrath of God, as seen in Revelation 16 when the "sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." Gog/Magog is found in Revelation 20:7-10, after the 1000 year reign. You are correct though, Armageddon is not the Gog/Magog war. They are two different events. Armageddon before Christ returns and Gog/Magog after His 1000 year reign. I would recheck your timetable. You Quote: 5.Armageddon is placed within the wrath of God, as seen in Revelation 16 My Reply: I'm not clear on your interpretation here,..are you saying that Armageddon is fought by the Lord within revelation 16,...or are you saying that the war of Armageddon which is fought by the Lord is not view as the wrath of God? My second question is,....if you view the Day of the Lord as His second physical return,...in which you believe a rapture would occur on that Day?If a post trib raptured occurred that day,..would not the believer long for that Day? Then why would the Lord say to your view that,.......18Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light. 19It will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear, as though he entered his house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him. 20Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light— pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?

It's been a long time since someone has claimed that the Dasy of the Lord was one day long or basicly 24 hours long. But this is easily refuted. Daniel 11;36 The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. In Rev. 15:1, the “bowl judgments” are “the seven last plagues”, after the other plagues. The trumpets are also called plagues in Rev. 9:20. The “seven last plagues” must happen after the other plagues. The Wrath of God is complete in the Bowl Judgements. revelation 6;17 is not a description of anticipation.....that would go against scripture.....it is that the Lord comes as a thief in the night to the unbelievers,...and the Bride will not be hiding from the Lord.16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! Revelation 6:16–17 is a summary statement of all the previous seal judgments. Revelation 6:15–17 is an overall report of the human response to God’s judgment as administered through all six seal judgments.The controlling verb in verse 17, “is come” (êlthen), “is aorist indicative, referring to a previous arrival of the wrath, not something that is about to take place” Matthew 24;39 occurs after the Great Tribulation and revelation 6;17 occurs at the beginning of the Day of the Lord. Ezekiel 38 cannot be scripturally placed at Armageddon for a multitude of scriptural reasons, at the end of Daniels 70th week,....for that matter,..Ezekiel 38 cannot scripturally be placed inside of Daniels 70th week,..therefore, The wrath of God begins with Ezekiel 38;18-20 You my friend are right inside the general time era of when the pre-trib rapture will occur.That general time era is between now, and sometimes shortly after the coming Isaiah 17;1/Psalms 83 war that todat is currently brewing in the middle east.

Amen and Amen!

I am curious where you place the Day of the Lord? I am also curious why you mention that 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 occurs before 5:3, other then how it appears in scripture? Let's look at the verses so we are on the same page here. 1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 5:3 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. To me, if it were listed in chronological order, verse 5:1 would start with an "And", as in a continuance, not a "But", which only places another thought to the previous verses. Hello OneLight, Glad you responded to my post. You quote: I am curious where you place the Day of the Lord? I am also curious why you mention that 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 occurs before 5:3, other then how it appears in scripture? My Reply: First of all this is what we read in the book of Amos about the Day of the Lord: Amos 5;18Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light. 19It will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear, as though he entered his house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him. 20Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light— pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness? We have bad enough problems with tribulations on this side of the pre-trib rapture,...but it seems that there are some christian who desire to go into Daniels 70th week so that they can be with the Lord,..that is understandable because they Love Jesus,...but he Lord says what is that Day to you? 1 thessalonians 5;1 1Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you. I believe Paul is speaking to the christians in his era,.....it is not for them to know the date and times. Post trib and pretrib are in agreement that the Rapture occurs prior to the Day of the lord,......the difference is the belief when the Day of the Lord begins. The problem with harmonizing a post trib view is that they claim the Day of the Lord only begins in revelation 16. But the truth is that Gods wrath begins with Ezekiel 38;18-20 and continues throughout the whole of Daniels 70th week. 1 thessalonians 1;10 10and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. There are some post tribs who claim that revelation 16 occurs after the Great Tribulation,...but revelation 16 has it that the armies are making preparations to fight at Armageddon. The Day of the Lord and Gods Wrath are one and the same. Ezekiel 38 occurrs slightly prior to the beginning of Daniels 70th week.And since it is that Ezekiel 38; 11 through 15 is what activates the Day of the Lord, and that this prophecy can only be placed prior to Daniels 70th week,..then the rapture must occur prior to Daniels 70th week among a multitude of other reasons.

OK just checking

One day I was on this offshore oil rig,witnessing to two men from San Salvador in my room. One was an old man,..the other was about 19 years of age. I was telling them that Jesus was coming back and because I perceived that their ability to understand was limited,..I chose to explain His coming for the Bride in a basic way.They had told me that they were Catholic,..and were full of questions to my delight. At one point,..the old man left,..and I continued to tell about some signs of the Lords return,...when I heard in my mind the Lord talking to me,....He said......Benny ask Him....and even though I am talking to the young man,..I answered the Lord and said,..Lord,..he said he was Catholic,........And again the Lord spoke to me,..but said this more firmly.....Benny ask him! So I did,...I said to the young man,......Have you ever invited the Lord Jesus the Christ into your heart to forgive your sins and be your Lord and Savior? The young man answered..........No............................The Lord knew something that I didn't,..I had assumed that he was a christian and saved because he had earlier told me he was Catholic. Well,..I asked the young man if he would like to ask the Lord into his heart,....and he said yes. So I told him how to pray in asking the Lord into his heart,..and the young man said,.......Well before I go to sleep at night,..I will ask the Lord into my heart. So the next morning,..we were getting our sand blasting and paint equipment ready for the days work,.....the compressors had not been turn on yet and it was still quiet,..the morning sun was attempting to loom into the earliy morning night,..there were rednecks all around me when I looked at the young man and said,.....Well did you do it? And the young man said,..what? And I said ...what we talked about last night. And the young man said,...Oh yes! I asked the Lord Jesus into my heart last night beside my bed before I went to sleep! And immediately I point my finger at him and said in a very loud voice,...."Praise the Lord,..when the rapture happens,..Your going! What happened next,..I never saw it coming nor expected it,..but It happened! It was like I had been struck by a bolt of lightning that hit me at the top of my head and shot down to the bottom of my feet in one huge tremendous energy surge! This happened the very split atomic second that I said ,...."Praise the Lord,..when the rapture happens,..Your going! It was not one of those situations where you are thinking..."Do i just think this happened,..No!..you knew it happened!!! A week later,..I went home and told my brother n law what had happened,..and he said,...Benny Ray,...that was the Holy Spirit,..and that is His way of saying to you,..DO it AGAIN!