Assured

Mucus Membranes Yes - I have taken zinc lozenges and they do seem to work. But when they ran out, I didn't bother to buy any more. I have just found it more expedient to get plenty of vitamin C and to remember to wash my hands before putting them next to any mucus membranes (eyes, nose or mouth, ears as well as some other places - link is above). That means washing your hands both before and after visiting the restroom. The link I provided above says that vitamin C doesn't prevent colds, and I have found that to be true. But if you get plenty of vitamin C, you will get something that is so mild that you will barely notice that you have it, and it doesn't last very long. If you do those two things, go ahead and take a zinc lozenge if you want. What can it hurt?

Lol, you need the sound! There is discussion about different kinds of meat you can use, to be sure, but that was not what the Seal and Kangaroo were about. ...Thanks for watching! LOL! I'll have to watch it again with the sound. It will be getting colder and it's a good time for soup.

I had to watch it without the sound. I also had to stop watching, when I saw the seal and the kangaroo - LOL! I think you're saying that you can put whatever protein into the soup that you would like, but that came out of left field. LOL!

Vitamin C Data Sheet Are you getting enough Vitamin C? I take precautions when I expect to be in a crowd (like at church), and drink orange juice or eat a couple of oranges the day before, even if I neglected to do so that week. That helps more than you might think. I don't bother to take a Vitamin C supplement, because food absorbs faster. I've attached a link with some other food sources of Vitamin C.

This is an absolute leftist falsehood!!! So how much is their fair share of the deficit that Obamination created and only democrats wanted? So the bottom 50% of people pay only 2% of the total federal bill but you want to focus on the ones that pay the most already? Drinking leftist kool aid has poisoned your mind against the truth and against what is right. Everyone, I do mean everyone should pay something in federal taxes even it is just 10 dollars. At least then everyone has something in the game. But to focus on the most successful among us to make them pay for foolishness that came straight from Marxist ideology when most folks did not want it in the first place is a bogus point of view with no credibility behind it what so ever. I'll tell you what the problem is, it is the many like you who are so eager to throw away the truth and to hold on to a lie and then repeat it as if it were the truth but in fact it is a lie. So let e ask you something, how much is their fair share? Don't you realize that these people provide jobs for the rest of us? Why are you so intent on punishing success? Don't you realize that punishing success means you get less of it? Don't you know when that happens everyone suffers? Can't you see that the problem is a runaway government with a major spending problem and not a income problem? I think that you and the obamabots need to pay for this deficit since you all wanted it in the first place. So own it and pay for it and leave the rest of us alone. Thanks Poor is poor, though. What would you rather see -- tax relief for poor people, or increased expenditures in General Relief and Food Stamps? Isn't it better to let them keep their money, than take it from them and then spend more to feed them because they (and their children) are starving? I mean, it just goes back to the income disparity. For sure, we need to keep public education fully funded, so that more people don't fall into this trap.

OWS has nothing to do with Bank of America. Bank of America is not considering back-tracking on their monthly fee because a group of spoiled malcontents are squatting in a NYC park. Bank of America is a banking juggernaut heading for a reef at full steam, and as they stand right now, as a company, they deserve to have their entire keel ripped out. They are going to fail. It is only a question of when and they seem to be the only ones oblivious to it. They have created a toxic public relations perception through their alienation of their customer base through mis-handled loans, foreclosures, credit card accounts, safe deposit box break-ins, etc. that they will never be able to reverse. They can take TARP money till the cows come home. Warren Buffet can throw money at BoA until his pockets are empty. None of that will bring back the customers they have lost through their own actions, or the potential customers they are losing daily through word of mouth. A company without customers fails, and BoA is losing customers daily, and they won't be coming back. Because when BoA burns you, they burn you good. They are having second thoughts because the hue and cry from the customers they have left was too loud to ignore for a company that is hanging over the edge of a cliff by their fingernails. OWS had nothing to do with it. The LA Times mentioned the coincidence of B of A's decision happening while these protests are being observed and discussed. I think it is a valid observation, and is open to either being either interpreted or disregarded as a mere coincidence. Of course it could be simply a coincidence. I am glad they made that decision, regardless of why. The banks do need to demonstrate that they are listening to their customers (not just their shareholders), and everyone will be better off when they do.

Sorry folks - all of the above discussion probably could've taken place in a PM. If anyone has any question that I failed to address, please PM me. I didn't want to be rude, I am just trying not to derail this thread. Now, where were we? Occupy Wall Street, right?

Just curious... "will be"??? We have had many liberals come and go from this forum and their message doesn't seem to change much. Should we be expecting a new influx, future tense noted? I wondered about that too. Assured: As for the admonishment to deal with them in PM . . . I don't think so. I will deal with liberal points of view, just as I always have, right here on the board, directly. No PM necessary. Liberal points of view and their inherent hypocrisy and flawed logic never stand up to the light when examined closely. Look at the OWS being discussed here. Your so-called "grass roots" protesters (which are not grass roots at all) are, on the one hand, wanting a handout for everything. Free education, no Capitalism, replace it with Socialism, round everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Basically, no one will have to work for anything, which is always the liberals Big Dream. But when so-called derelicts and the homeless want to come in and help themselves to the OWS protester's food, being provided to them free of charge by others, suddenly, they don't like that entitlement socialist system so much. Someone else is freeloading off their free goodies. Hypocrisy, stand up and be recognized! They want a handout, but don't want the homeless to get one. The homeless don't have much choice in the matter, but the OWS protesters certainly do. This stuff isn't rocket science. OWS'ers are supposed to be priviledged, but the homeless need to get scarce. Got it. We disagree politically. Don't try to read anyting spiritual into it. Plenty of Republicans are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage (don't forget about the Log Cabin Republicans). It is not the morally superior political position. Someone else tried to tell us that politics is politics, and religion is religion. I think we need to stop pointing fingers at the other side of the aisle and making them wrong. If I were to imply that Republicans are sinners who are under God's wrath, no one would stand for it. This should not be said about Democrats either. THUD. What? Everything we do has spiritual consequences... you cannot partition your life into spiritual and non-spiritual components. Perhaps this is the problem. Your faith SHOULD permeate your politics! There really is a morally superior political position and that is one in which God is glorified - let's not pretend that calling bad good is morally superior! I agree. It was a roundabout way of saying that Democrats aren't automatically evil just because you disagree with them politically. I don't feel obligated to vote for an anti-abortion President who will hurt me and hurt my Grandma and Pa. It is my decision to prayerfully make, and I have made it expecting the Supreme Court to take this up. You will note that there is already a Republican majority in the Court. Get it to them NOW, and something may happen. But don't tell me to vote for a Republican just to get rid of abortion (not you, Candice - LOL!). I don't think it is necessary, and I don't want to do it.

???? What does that have to do with anything, especially OWS? Abortion is a sin and you support abortion in the form of our current administration and President, because you support both. You are, politically, a liberal, so you support abortion even though you claim not to. If you walk down the street and see a woman being raped and do nothing, say nothing to stop it or stand against it, you have just become a supporter of rape. So you support the murder of unborn children. Abortion does not enjoy bipartisan support and never has. Conservatives, by and large, are against abortion. George Soros is a criminal. He is a rich thug who attempts to destabilize currencies and countries with his "contributions." He is not some benevolent philanthropist. Supporting liberal causes means nothing. What would those causes be? Because it always astounds me that liberals, especially the Hollywood type would champion so hard for the rights of animals and saving the environment, but at the same time, could care less about innocent unborn children being murdered by the 100's daily. They have no problem with that. They don't want people to be poor, on the one hand, but don't care if they are killed on the other, as long as they have not left the womb yet. Liberalism is filled with hypocrisy. Godly priorities mean that we focus on witnessing to the unsaved, rather than preventing them from committing the sin of abortion, but leaving them in ignorance to commit fornication and to lie, cheat and steal. These women will still go to hell, even if they can't have abortions. That's a problem. We need to get the Gospel message to people, and then they will be saved AND they won't have abortions! Also, at least you finally understand that liberals aren't necessarily motivated by envy, since Mr. Soros, Mr. Spielberg, and many others are wealthy. But I keep having to repeat this -- pro-choice is not an exclusively liberal position. We need to hate the sin and love the sinner, which means we need to be careful how we speak of these people. But depend on it, some of them are Republicans. It wouldn't have been made legal in Roe v Wade if conservative judges hadn't been involved in the decision. There are spiritual realities at play here, that are going to affect people's positions on that. So it is appropriate to grieve over this but it is not appropriate to yield to the temptation to speak hatefully of these people. We should fear God, thank Him for saving us, and then pray for these people. Of course we should also vote our consciences. There is nothing wrong with that. I just want people who are pro-abortion who are reading this to understand that we love them and we want God to save them, and that we're praying for them.

Just curious... "will be"??? We have had many liberals come and go from this forum and their message doesn't seem to change much. Should we be expecting a new influx, future tense noted? I wondered about that too. Assured: As for the admonishment to deal with them in PM . . . I don't think so. I will deal with liberal points of view, just as I always have, right here on the board, directly. No PM necessary. Liberal points of view and their inherent hypocrisy and flawed logic never stand up to the light when examined closely. Look at the OWS being discussed here. Your so-called "grass roots" protesters (which are not grass roots at all) are, on the one hand, wanting a handout for everything. Free education, no Capitalism, replace it with Socialism, round everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Basically, no one will have to work for anything, which is always the liberals Big Dream. But when so-called derelicts and the homeless want to come in and help themselves to the OWS protester's food, being provided to them free of charge by others, suddenly, they don't like that entitlement socialist system so much. Someone else is freeloading off their free goodies. Hypocrisy, stand up and be recognized! They want a handout, but don't want the homeless to get one. The homeless don't have much choice in the matter, but the OWS protesters certainly do. This stuff isn't rocket science. OWS'ers are supposed to be priviledged, but the homeless need to get scarce. Got it. We disagree politically. Don't try to read anyting spiritual into it. Plenty of Republicans are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage (don't forget about the Log Cabin Republicans). It is not the morally superior political position. Someone else tried to tell us that politics is politics, and religion is religion. I think we need to stop pointing fingers at the other side of the aisle and making them wrong. If I were to imply that Republicans are sinners who are under God's wrath, no one would stand for it. This should not be said about Democrats either.

As has already been said by others, one cannot be a committed Christian in a strong daily relationship with Christ and still be a liberal, because Christ and Christian values are forced to take a back seat in that scenario. Christ does not take the back seat well. Liberals have no fixed values, especially morally-speaking. In fact, liberalism is all about breaking down just about every moral value which already exists and catering to every immoral behavior imaginable. Whatever makes a quick buck or garners votes is the only two things a liberal cares about. Liberal values can and do change daily upon their own whims and the whims of society. You are seemingly in favor of abortion and you support a president who is a known liar, and a president who condones sin in the form of abortion and gay rights, so you are an example of a liberal who's so-called Christian beliefs have been sacrificed in support of a political official whom you should not be supporting, where you to actually adhere to the value system within the Bible. Christian Lite. Jim Wallis teaches a Social Doctrine. Jim Wallis teaches forced re-distribution of wealth, a gospel decidedly not found within the pages of the Bible, and saying that Sojourners is "christian" carries about as much weight as saying that Mel White and Soulforce are "christian." Anyone can call themselves a Christian but one has to believe in and follow a very specific set of values to actually be a Christian. Just saying the word doesn't get it. Jim Wallis and Sojourners do not understand the plain and simple gospel message at all. They twist it, pervert it, re-write it to fit their own social agenda. Jim Wallis supports abortion no matter what he says in public and he supports gay rights. He has taken money from known criminals like George Soros to keep Sojourners afloat, so three strikes and he is out. You cannot embrace liberalism, openly condone sin and still function as a Christian and anyone who believes that they can has a couple problems. One, they are severely deluded, and two, they will have to explain to Christ Himself how they could adopt such an attitude when they clearly should have known better. Ok, look - I am not a member of Sojournors. I attend a conservative, evangelical church. I do not believe in abortion or gay marriage. I'm sorry, but you now know enough to stop saying such things. I could easily say, "Conservatives are selfish and only care about lowering their own taxes and throwing old women out into the street!" and it would be an evil, loathsome thing to say, wouldn't it? So please stop saying such things. You will be meeting liberals on these boards, and you will have an opportunity to PM them and chat with them and ask them all sorts of things. All I ask is that you check things out first.

The President has a personal advisor on all things Religion and his name is Jim Wallis. Jim Wallis is preaching a Gospel of Social Justice and Collective Salvation. The same Gospel that Reverand Wright did. Not surprisingly. A man whos sit's in a hateful church for 20 years and has his children baptized by a hateful small minded man like Wright has some very serious issues. Especially, when he claims that he didn't hear what the man preached blatantly for 20 years. Meanwhile, the Gospel that both Reverand Wright and Reverand Wallis espouse are both heretical. There is no basis for their Gospel in the Bible. We are admonished to be Wise. You haven't yet answered my question. Do you adhere to a Gospel of Collective Salvation? Do you follow the teachings of Jim Wallis? This is no time to dodge a question like this because we are not to receive someone who preaches another Gospel. peace, dave I appreciate your concern. I was in fact wondering, "What on Earth is wrong with our President, that so many people online and in my church disapprove of him?" So I am glad that somebody gave me a response other than, "Don't you already know what the problem is?" I haven't looked up or Googled the people who visit the President at the White House, so I will defer to those who have. But I stand by what I said earlier, that the President professes Christ. If he is truly saved, then if we pray for him, God will reveal any errors in what he is being taught. Few of us have not been exposed to error at some time in our spiritual lives. It has always taken those who love us enough to pray for us, and even to tell us, when they discover it. BTW I do not approve of the people who appear at events with Rick Perry, either, but that doesn't disqualify him from belonging to Christ, if in fact he does. But the time may come when we will elect a Jewish President, or a Mormon one. What then? I always look at general qualifications, because he will be President not Pastor. Edited: What do you all think of Herman Cain's pastor? That's alright - I'll post this question in the Herman Cain thread.

Oh vey! Assured - surely you jest??? I don't understand what the problem is. The only difference between this President and President Clinton, is that he does not cheat on his wife with interns, and that he is African American. His ethnicity is not an issue for me, and his morality is an improvement.

Butero you are asking a good question, and I will answer it. I am grieved by what I hear the other members of my church say about our President, and political matters generally. I decided to start going online to discuss politics anonymously because there is such a divide in the Christian community right now. (I was at another forum, which recently closed.) I seek to understand and be understood, but I cannot do this IRL because there is such a hostility right now. I can only do this online. But trusting God does not mean we are supposed to be passive. We are just not supposed to get too worked up, because He will achieve His purposes, because He is able.

Democratic Presidents continue to appoint judges they know will uphold Roe vs Wade. If you believe God is sovereign and therefore we need to trust him regardless of who the President is, why did you come here attacking Herman Cain? Why are you lifting up Obama and defending Democrats? Why are you attacking Republican members of Congress. After all, God is sovereign, so if Republicans are in Congress, it is because he placed them there. If you don't like their policies, why worry about it? God must know what he is doing? As for birth control, it was just that issue that led to abortion being declared a Constitutional right. There were some states with laws prohibiting birth control. The Supreme Court made up a phony right to privacy to overturn those state laws. They used the same precident to declare all laws against abortion to be unconstitutional. We have had birth control all along, yet we still have 1.5 to 2 million abortions each year since Roe vs Wade. On this matter I will agree with you. Nobody comes to power unless God allows it. That was the case with every President in my lifetime. Not every President is there because they are the best people. Some are there because God is punishing the nation. I believe that is the case with Obama. We have sinned, so he put someone in place that is evil. We are in a free country, so in order to have someone come to power, we vote. God therefore causes some to be conservatives and some to be liberals, and we fight it out. He uses our arguments to influence the independents, and they decide the elections. The death of unborn babies is a punishment on this nation. We are losing our offspring. As a Christian, and an ambassador for God's Kingdom, it is my responsibilitly to support his positions in this world. It is my responsibility to care where someone stands on issues like the destruction of innocent human life. I respect your difference of opinion regarding abortion. I would just request that you not make Democrats wrong for supposedly supporting abortion, when there are Republicans who support it, too. Also, please remember that there are quite a few wealthy liberals - it isn't a class-envy dynamic at all. There are just certain people, regardless of their socioeconomic status, who are committed to Progressive principles. I come from a relatively affluent family, as I said (and I am myself a member of the middle class), and am a former Republican. But I was always a moderate and I remain committed to Progressive principles (such as a progressive income tax code). Since those things no longer have bi-partisan support, I have found it necessary to switch sides. I just hope that Republicans move more toward the middle before they lose their majority. But they might have to lose their majority in order to get the message. Obviously I don't agree with you that President Obama has been elected President only because God is angry with us. The next President might be Jewish or Muslim or Mormon -- may I suggest that this would require even more of an adjustment. All joking aside, President Obama attended church until people voiced objections against what his (Christian) pastor was saying. Now he has pastors visit him at the White House for private Bible study. I don't think God would punish us by giving us someone who prays and reads the Bible. Seriously. Also don't forget, Progressives elected him President, and Progressives are out there now, protesting. The GOP needs to try to win these people over by listening to them, if they want to regain the White House. So far President Obama is the only one listening to them.