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James was writing to "The Church" those who have the "Faith Of Jesus Christ" "The Church" is the 12 tribes scattered abroad in James 1:1 James 2:1KJV My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

No disparaging whatsoever, you made a claim of a pre-trib rapture that's found no place in scripture, I don't expect you to post scripture to support your claim because none exist's In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

James wrote to the Church, who Are the 12 tribes scattered abroad, where there is neither Jew nor Greek

The Church is the 12 tribes of Israel James 1:1KJV 1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture as you suggest, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man, namely John N. Darby 1830's and C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference Bible, better known as dispensationalism

Daniel's (Little Horn) This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled "Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below Daniel 7:8-11KJV 8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Read It Real Slow This Time The "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" is a future event, that takes place at the second coming of Jesus Christ in fire and final judgment (The End) (The Consummation) 2 Peter 3:10KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Do you really believe you have the participants of the thread sold on your claims the "Consummation" in Daniel 9:27 was the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem, "I don't think so" The "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" is a future event, that takes place at the second coming of Jesus Christ in fire and final judgment (The End) (The Consummation) 2 Peter 3:10KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel's (Little Horn) This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled "Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below Daniel 7:8-11KJV 8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

It's not rocket science Charlie, it's simple and easy to understand, 70 weeks isn't 490 years, it's 490 days If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) 2 Corinthians 11:3KJV 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Its really simple Charlie, Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days. If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) He Didn't

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal "Future" Weeks Explained Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days. If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below. Daniel 6:1KJV It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom; Daniel 8:14KJV And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Daniel 12:11KJV And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days. Daniel 10:2-3KJV 2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled. Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days. When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build. 62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building. The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth. The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time. Daniel 9:24-27KJV 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

No the antichristhasnt been here for 2,000 years as claimed, hewill be a future (King/Ruler) of Hebrew/Jewish) decent, and he will proclaim to the world to be Messiah God in Jerusalem The Ultimate end is future, and will take place at the Lord's return when the heavens and earth are dissolved by fire 2 Peter 3:10 (The End)

Daniel's timeline is "Future", as the bad guy seen will be on earth causing desolation until the "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" Merrian-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummatingthe consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end : FINISH Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

As stated, (Thomas Ice) statement that Apostasia is a pre-trib rapture of the church to heaven is "Laughable" (Departure/Falling Away) is from a faith once held, not Tommy's claim of a pre-trib rapture, "Big Smiles"! Strong’s Definitions G646 ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake. KJV Translation Count — Total: 2x The KJV translates Strong's G646 in the following manner: to forsake (with G575) (1x), falling away (1x). The English word (Apostasy) seen below in Merriam-Webster, having its very foundation in the Greek word (Apostasia) Merriam-Webster Definition of apostasy 1: an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith 2: abandonment of a previous loyalty : DEFECTION

The Greek root word is "Apostasia" meaning "Apostasy" or departure from truth once held "Thomas Ice" from Dallas Theological Cemetary and his claims "Apostasia" represents a pre-trib rapture is laughable

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Scripture clearly teaches where Satan is, before your eyes in Job 1:7 below, God asked, and Satan answered, no guesswork "The Earth" Job 1:7KJV 7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Peter also taught Satan walks about "The Earth" seeking to devour 1 Peter 5:8KJV 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

I Disagree Scripture clearly teaches Satan was cast unto the earth, waiting to devour Jesus Christ at his birth, this took place with King Herod seeking Jesus to kill him "Long Ago", Revelation 12:3-4 below is a recap of events in history Satan was upon the earth at Jobs temptation, and also during the temptation of Jesus 40 days/nights in the wilderness Satan isn't Omnipresent Revelation 12:3-4KJV 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Job 1:7KJV 7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

The answer is No! Scripture clearly teaches Satan was cast unto the earth, waiting to devour Jesus Christ at his birth, this took place with King Herod seeking Jesus to kill him "Long Ago", Revelation 12:3-4 below is a recap of events in history Satan was upon the earth at Jobs temptation, and also during the temptation of Jesus 40 days/nights in the wilderness Satan isn't Omnipresent Revelation 12:3-4KJV 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Job 1:7KJV 7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Do you suggest Satan and his angels are currently in heaven? The battle between Michael and Satan is future?

Your beliefs have similarity in teachings found in the JW's and 7th Day Adventist, are you a member of either?

I Disagree, Antiochus Epiphanies was from "Greek" bloodlines, and polytheism As clearly shown, the future figure seen in Daniel 11:37 will be a Jew/Hebrew Wikipedia: The Seleucid dynasty or the Seleucidae (from Greek: Σελευκίδαι, Seleukídai) was a Macedonian Greek royal family, founded by Seleucus I Nicator, which ruled the Seleucid Empire centered in the Near East and regions of the Asian part of the earlier Achaemenid Persian Empire during the Hellenistic period.

I Disagree with your claim that Antiochus Epiphanies 167BC fulfilled Daniel 11:37, he was a Polythestic Greek, the future figure seen in Daniel 11:37 will be a Hebrew/Jew The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers) (Daniel) 11:37KJV 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. Examples: God Of His Fathers (2 Kings) 21:22KJV 22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord. (2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV 10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.