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  1. Three stages: 1. The heavens will pass away (they will be gone), 2. The elements shall melt with fervent heat. (no distinction here, All the heavenly expanse which is seen is made up of elements) 3. The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (It does not say destroyed, but burned up). We see heavens, elements, and earth all being changed. Here Abraham lived in tents, as did Issac and Jacob. That was were they lived, in tents, earthly tents. Yet. J0hn 14 says, In my Fathers house are many rooms, I go there to prepare a place for you. You know the way to the place were I am going. Heavenly dwelling. God is bound, by His Word, because He is God. When a prophecy is fulfilled, and with whom it is directed, is not (His Secret). It is written for us to see, to whom the Prophecy is for, sometimes how long, and where and when. The A/D in Daniel 9:27 also falls into that, not being sealed. Michael standing up in Chp 12 has nothing to do with Antiochus IV, thus what follows has nothing to do with him also. We have a willful king in 11:36 -45; He will say unheard of things against the God of gods. (think about this, who has been in Gods prescience to do this). At the time of the end. He will pitch his tents between the seas at the beautiful holy mountain (most likely Mt Carmel,which overlooks the Valley of Megiddo), yet he will come to his end and nobody will help him. 12 v13 - As for you (Daniel), go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance. This is sometime after Michael stands up. I will get to some more later. In Christ Montana Marv
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    The Timing of Christ's Return & Why it Matters

    So which of your group of Jews were indwelt by the H.S. at Pentecost? Believing or Unbelieving ones, Those Justified or those not Justified. And then after that, which group of Gentiles were filled with the H.S. after Pentecost? Most of the N.T. was written to Christians, those indwelt by the H.S. The Bride of Christ, Jew and Gentile, All are One in Christ. Now with the Jewish race, Only Levites could become Priests. Yet 1 Peter 2:9.10 says - But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God, once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. So once we are in Christ Jesus (Jew or Gentile) we become a royal priesthood. The Jewish nation a whole cannot claim this. Only when they cross over and are indwelt by the H.S. can they (all Jews) now be part of the priesthood, not just the Levites. In Christ Montana Marv
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    7000 Years of Creation is Incorrect Speculation.

    They (Adam and Eve) are contrary to the theory of evolution, why do they say Eve came out of Africa. The theory of evolution says we (humans) ascended from lower forms of life. look at their charts. We came from the goo of the swamp. It took billions of years for intelligence to occur. God and evolution are at odds. Evolution is man made, Creation is God made. Only ONE can be True. In Christ Montana Marv
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    Jesus has already come? Second Coming

    This sign was fulfilled at His First Advent. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40 In Christ Montana Marv
  5. I don't look at the rock the way many people might. 2 Peter 3:10 - 11 - The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. Everything will be destroyed in this way. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. I see a furnace much bigger than this rock of yours. In a flash it is gone. God does limit himself by His Character. God is Love, there cannot any love except by God which is Love. God is Just, There cannot be any Justice, except by the Just God. God is merciful, because God is Mercy. God is Peace, There cannot be any peacekeeping except by the God which is Peace. God is Omniscient, He knows the beginning from the end. Therefore, if God States a Prophecy, (in this case 70 - Sevens are decreed), He is bound by that Prophecy. If not, then God is a liar. God is bound by His Word. A Prophecy can be fulfilled ONLY as stated. No doubles, No variations, in must be exact, otherwise it is a false Prophecy. Some may mix up Prophecy with Promise. We know that Dan 11:31 does not apply since this Prophecy was fulfilled with Antiochus Epiphanes. So now there are two which remain. Daniel 9:27. and 12:11 (which refers back to 9:27). So now there is only one A/D which Christ refers to in Matt 24:15. The middle of the Week. Michael did not stand up for Israel during 11:31. But he does in 12:11, future, the time of Jacobs trouble. So now we see only one viable A/D which Christ refers to in Matt 24:15. This at the middle of the Week, the beginning of the time of Jacobs trouble. This is totally inaccurate. The New Jerusalem is not formed until after Death and Hades have been cast into the Lake of Fire. No presence of Sin will exist. In Christ Montana Marv
  6. This is a false claim. The god of Islam can say one thing and then do another, he can do what he wants. When Christ says one thing, He cannot change it. Christ does the will of His Father. The prophecy does not predict the 70th week will be split in two, the prophecy states it is a One Seven. Which is the A/D spoken of by Daniel, given in Matt 24:15. Was it fulfilled at Christs Death as you say, or in or around 66 - 70 AD. Which is it? Can't be both. See, you put Daniel 9:27 at Christs Death; yet, you say it was also fulfill in and around 70 AD. Even a mathematician as you should know, it is impossible to have the middle of something without having start and an end. BTW, Christ was cut off at the end of the 7 and 62 Week periods. After the 62 Sevens the Anointed One will be cut off. Dan 9:26. Now which one of the first 69 Weeks was split and separated. None, All were full 7 Weeks of Years. The 70th Week is a full One Seven. Now back to the original Prophecy. 70 Sevens have been decreed. Don't mess with the Prophecy. In Christ Montana Marv
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    The Timing of Christ's Return & Why it Matters

    Yes, NT Jews, but not all the Jews, only those who Believed; Then NT Gentiles, These two sets of Believers (NT Jews and NT Gentiles) are One in Christ, and thus the only ones who were promised the H.S.. These are the body of Christ and thus the Bride of Christ. In Christ Montana Marv
  8. Absurd; Jesus cannot split the One Seven into two different segments. Seventy Sevens have been decreed (7-Sevens, 62-Sevens, 1-Seven). You're the one who is dividing this week into two separate periods of time. One cannot have a midpoint on anything unless their is an immediate preceding period (of time) and then an immediate post period (of time). A One Seven means a Whole One Seven. A One Hundred dollar bill is worthless when torn in two and separated. It only has value when united. The Final Week is worthless if it is torn in two and separated. It ceases to be a One Seven. Two 3 1/2 periods may total seven, but they cannot comprise a One Seven unless they are joined. Zech 9:16 - The Lord their God will save them on that day as the flock of his people. v16 - How attractive and beautiful they will be. It lists 6 tasks/benefits/things in Dan 9:24; not 2 and 4, not 3 and 3 or 5 and 1, but 6. Zech 3:9b - and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day. Zech 13:1 - On that day, a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity. 13:9b - They will call on my name, and I will answer them; I will say "They are my People" and they will say "The Lord is our God". Zeph 3:11 - On that day you will not be put to shame, for all the wrongs you have done to me, Zeph 3:13 - The remnant of Israel will do no wrong; they will speak no lies, nor will deceit be found in their mouths. Dan 9:24 - is all about the timing of Israels Salvation and their accepting their Messiah and anointing Him as their King. Matt 24:15 - So when you see standing in the holy place the A/D spoken of through the prophet Daniel... FLEE. And you say Desolate was in the 1st Century. No one fled at Christs Death, but they were told to wait. It is Impossible for Christ to split the 70th Week into two separate divisions by time. It has been decreed, ordained, prophesied, spoken of as a One Seven. If all are in One accord, they are united. In Christ Montana Marv
  9. Israel has not anointed Christ Jesus as their King. He is not their King until they anoint Him as their King. Scripture states they will do all of the six. They all will be done on that day. The Vision and Prophecy is for Israel accepting their Messiah. All Prophecy is not fulfilled until all has been given back to the Father, this being after Death and Hades has been cast into the Lake of Fire. So your theory does not fly. And as the 70 Sevens or weeks of years is decreed. There were 7 - Sevens, 42 - Sevens, then a future One (1) - Seven. Don't try to butcher this last One Seven up into pieces. In Christ Montana Marv
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    The Timing of Christ's Return & Why it Matters

    Only for those who have been baptized into Christ and have clothed themselves with Christ, Gal 3:26-29 This makes and clarifies the Bride different and separate from Israel and all others. Baptism by the Holy Spirit. Acts 1:5b - but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. In Christ Montana Marv
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    The Timing of Christ's Return & Why it Matters

    You left out one segment of people, those who come out of the Great Tribulation alive and occupy the earth and breed so they are like the sands on the sea shore before the end of the Mill. You are mixing up immortality and position with Christ. Not all are the same. The Bride of Christ are those who have been indwelt by the Holy Spirit, all others are not the Bride of Christ. 1 Cor 12:4..... - There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. The Spirit gives; wisdom, knowledge, faith, gifts of healing, miraculous powers, prophecy, discerning different spirits, tongues (languages), interpreting different languages. The body is a unit.... v. 27 Now you are the body of Christ. Who is this group of people which Paul is referring to? It ain't OT Saints, It ain't Mill. Saints. It ain't OT Israel, It ain't NT Israel. Those who are Indwelt by the Holy Spirit are the body of Christ and His Bride. Indwelling of the Holy Spirit begin at Pentecost. In Christ Montana Marv
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    The Timing of Christ's Return & Why it Matters

    Rev 21:3b - Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them, they will be His people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. This place is the New Jerusalem, this is the dwelling place of God. We will be occupants in this city. This city has gates, therefore people go in and out of this structure. Because this is the case, we are not this city. In Christ Montana Marv
  13. Roy Read Dan 9:24 again. This Prophecy states that Daniel's People, and Daniel's holy city are TO do these 6 tasks by the end of the final or 70th Week. This all happens on that day. Zech 7:16 - The Lord their God will save them on that day as the flock of his people. On the day of their Salvation, Israel will finish their transgressions, they will make an end to their sins, they will (atone for their wickedness) make reconciliation for their iniquity, they will bring in everlasting righteousness, they will seal up vision and prophecy (Zech 13:5 He will say, I am not a Prophet), to Anoint the Most Holy (the Most Holy Place, or the Most Holy One), Israel must Anoint Christ as their King. 1 Kings 5:3 - and they anointed David king over Israel. I rest my case. In Christ Montana Marv
  14. A Partial answer from you. None have been fulfilled by Israel. Israel has yet to receive their Messiah. Read the verse again. Prophetic years. 70 Sevens are decreed for Daniels people (Israel) and Daniels holy city (Jerusalem) TO: ..... Nothing about Christ doing anything is in this verse. It is all about what Israel will do by the end of the 70 Sevens. A thing to consider; when did you receive and acknowledge Christ as your Savior? In like manner, when will Israel accept their Messiah as their Savior. This is what Daniel 9:24 is all about. In Christ Montana Marv
  15. Roy One must believe in Dan 9:24. What is this prophecy about. All hinges on the 70 sevens which are decreed. Remember 70 Sevens. No other Scripture or Scriptures can provide more weight. In Christ Montana Marv