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Montana Marv

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  1. Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    If this is the case; why do many follow Satan at the end of the Mill and then they are destroyed? If this is the case; Why does Christ need to rule with a rod of iron? He needs to rule with a rod of iron because of the survivors who come out of this final week. According to Rev 9:20 - the rest of mankind (those not killed by the plagues) continued and did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idol's of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood. This is the reason Christ the King must rule with a rod of iron. In Christ Montana Marv
  2. Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    What Daniel say's nullifies your interpretation of the Scriptures. Daniel says the Just of Israel rises 1335 days after the A/D is set up. Daniel was a prophet, you are not. In Christ Montana Marv
  3. Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    Not so: Zech 14:16 - Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. Isa 11:8 - The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, the young child put his hand into the vipers nest.. They will neither harm or destroy on all my holy mountain. Jer 23:3,4 - I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing, declares the Lord. In Christ Montana Marv
  4. Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    Not so fast Daniel 12; this is referring to Daniel's people. Especially look at 9-13 - Go your way Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. Many will be purified (see Zech 13:8,9), made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand. From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance. A close look here shows beginning Mid Week the A/D is set up. Once the A/D is set up there are and extra 30 day and 45 day period following the 1,260 (3 1/2 year) days. It is at the end of these days that Daniel and his people will rise to receive their inheritance. Abraham was promised a people (Israel), a blessing who is (Jesus Christ the King), and a Land (the area of Canaan) - Gen 17:8.Zech 13:8-9 - In the whole land, declares the Lord; two thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one third will be left in it. This third I will bring into the fire, I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, They are my people, and they will say the Lord is our God. This cleansing process is the last 3 1/2 years or the time of Jacobs trouble. So what was promised to Daniel nullifies your position. The end of days is just before the beginning of the Mill. Just from Israel (Daniels people) will rise. In Christ Montana Marv
  5. Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    What about those not in the grave. All those born during the Mill. The thing is, that the dead in Christ, those indwelt by the H.S. rise first. Then we who are alive, not in the grave, rise to meet Him in the air. Pre asension no one indwelt by the H.S. During the Mill those living are not indwelt by the H.S. You need to understand the audience. In Christ Montana Marv
  6. Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    The only ones being judged out of the Books are the Unjust. Christ does not see their names written in the Book of Life, so the Unjust are judged out of what is written in these books. There are waves for the Just to enter into the First Resurrection (Resurrection of the Just). The Bride goes first before the onset of the Final Week. The tribulation (70th Week) saints go into the First Resurrection during the 70th Week. Those Just of Israel who have died goes into the First Resurrection at the end of the Final Week to be with those of Israel who make it out of the 70th Week and those who come out alive are part of the following group . Then all other Just Saints go into the First Resurrection Post Mill. In Christ Montana Marv
  7. According to the word of God, there will be no Rapture!

    You need to read John 14: 2-4 -- In my Fathers house are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going. Here we see that Jesus is going to take us up into Heaven which is the dwelling place of the Father. For this is where Jesus is now. Rapture is not in the Bible, but Harpozo is, which is translated as Rapture. In Christ Montana Marv
  8. Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    Rev 20: 12 - And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and the books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life, the dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The Second Resurrection is the 2nd Death. Being thrown into the Lake of Fire. The First Resurrection is the resurrection of the Just, all the Just. An individual either partakes in the Resurrection of the Just (first) or a Resurrection (second) of the Unjust. There you have it or do you. When does the Resurrection of the Just from Adam to Jesus Christ occur. When does the Resurrection of the Just of Israel occur. When does the Resurrection the Bride occur. When does the Resurrection of the Post Mill population (Just) who did not follow Satan occur. The Ball is now in Your court. In Christ Montana Marv
  9. Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    1 Tim 5:17 - The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of a double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. Rev 4:4 - Surrounding the throne were 24 other thrones, and seated on them were 24 elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. Here we see that the elders direct the affairs of the church, and we also see 24 of them seated around the Throne of God. If one looks closely, this is referenced before the 1st Seal is opened. The 1st Seal is opened sometime during the last 7 year period and before the Mill; So yes the Bema Seat of Christ is before the Mill. In Christ Montana Marv
  10. Rapture vs the 2nd coming

    PRE; I hope that was not to loud. In Christ Montana Marv
  11. Rapture vs the 2nd coming

    Many came to God during Israels tenure in their early days and days of captivity. So yes many (Jew and Gentile) will come to God during some parts of the last 7 years. Israel comes to the Messiah when they see the nail prints in His hands and the side where He was pierced (Zech 13:10) This will be the finality of the 70th Week of Daniel when 9:24 becomes fulfilled; their decree of meeting the six tasks given will have been completed. In Christ Montana Marv
  12. Events before the antichrist appears

    One needs to look to Jesus: John 14:2-4 - In my Fathers house are many mansions, if it we not so I would have told you. I go there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going. So we will be going to the Fathers house, because that is where Jesus is. Then when Jesus Christ returns to the Mt of Olives at His 2nd Coming we will return with Him and reign with Him. I do not see how you can confuse Jesus Christ with Satan. In Christ Montana Marv
  13. Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    If what you say is true, then Scripture is Wrong. Scripture says we as the Bride will reign with Him (2 Tim 2:12). Those souls under the altar (those beheaded) will reign with Christ for a 1000 years (Rev 20:4) But, yes the wheat and tares process takes place after the Mill. This is where the tares are judged at the Great White Throne Judgment. The Bema seat of Christ is where rewards are given to Believers (Bride): This happens before the Mill. There are a resurrection for the living (called the first) and there is a resurrection for the dead (called the second). All are not resurrected at the same time. The dead in Christ and those of us who remain are Harpozo (Raptured first to go into the Fathers House per (John 14:1-4). This is a resurrection (first). Those who make it out of the Mill, those who do not follow Satan will also be resurrected (first). And for Israel, Dan 12:13 - go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of those days you will rise to receive your allotted Inheritance, a resurrection (first) happening at the onset of the Mill. The Second Resurrection happens after the Mill, when the Books are opened. In Christ Montana Marv
  14. Rapture vs the 2nd coming

    When Christ returns at the 2nd Coming all those who live on the earth are worshipers of demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood. (Rev 9:20-21) And this is from just before the 5th Trumpet, as scripture says. This is why He must rule with a rod of iron. The Rapture and 2nd Coming are years and years apart. In Christ Montana Marv
  15. Rapture vs the 2nd coming

    The Bridegroom receiving up His Bride is separate from the King of Kings and the Lord of Lord's returning to the Mt of Olives In Christ Montana Marv
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