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Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, at this time the resurrection of all takes place and the catching up/rapture of the believer This is the final judgement, as the earth is dissolved by fire, the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem, are revealed, all in the twinkling of an eye, eternity begins

The church will be on this earth during the tribulation, and be eyewitnesses of the second coming As scripture clearly teaches below, the church will look up as Jesus Christ their redemption returns Luke 21:25-28KJV 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

It's not going to change, there isnt a pre-trib rapture of the church to heaven found in scripture, it's the invention of man

The scripture is straight forward, it states the saints were raised in their bodies after "HIS" resurrection, not their resurrection Nothing left to the imagination, they were raised from the dead, just as Lazarus or Tabitha We Disagree Matthew 27:50-53KJV 50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

I disagree, there is one seal of God, and your claims have been silenced in God's words of presented truth The 144,000 will be sealed by God, and "Added" to the church present on earth, it's that simple

You were wrong, and the first step in the right direction was you admitted it As previously stated, the 144,000 will be sealed and "Added" to the sealed Church on earth All saved believers are sealed by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30, this "spiritual" seal is upon all saved believers as Revelation 22:4 has shown No person gets to privately determine what Gods seal is, scripture clearly defines this, heed Gods words that have been provided

Thanks for the response George! I disagree with your symbolic allegory regarding the (Two Witnesses) seen in Revelation 11 As previously explained, I believe scripture clearly teaches the Two Witnesses will bring literal plagues upon a literal world, they will have literal bodies that die, lay in a literal street of Jerusalem, as a literal world watches in celebration It's going to be a literal replay of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Thanks for the response Echo! I looked at your teaching in the link, thanks for sharing My study finds that scripture clearly teaches that the Church will be (Caught Up/Raptured) at the second coming of Jesus Christ that takes place at the 7th/Last Trump, this is the time of resurrection and final judgement of all (The End) I will be more than happy to elaborate with scripture if requested? In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Your claim is error, God the Holy Spirit has sealed all saved believers, God's name is in their foreheads Revelation 22:4KJV 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

You will closely note Jesus physically died when he gave up the Ghost, it wasn't until "After His Resurrection" that bodies of the saints were "Raised From The Dead" This wasn't a resurrection of the dead, but a raising of the dead into mortal bodies, just as Lazarus and Tabitha were raised from the dead in mortal bodies that were once dead Matthew 27:50-53KJV 50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Getting a little personal, slow down cowboy

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power. 1.) (First) Resurrection To Life 2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death (Revelation) 20:6KJV Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below (John) 5:28-29KJV 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John) 6:39-40KJV 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (1 Corinthians) 15:21-24KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. The (Last Day) Judgement (John) 12:48KJV 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Wow, that would be like claiming Moses and Aaron in Egypt, bringing plagues upon Pharaoh and his kingdom was just a symbolic metaphor? The two Witnesses seen in Revelation 11 will be a reality, literal prophets returned, bringing literal plagues, upon a literal world plus some, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, and representing my Lord Jesus Christ on this earth Amen Revelation 11:3-6KJV 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The 7th and Last Trump is when mortal turns into immortality, when eternity begins in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, all in the twinkling of an eye! As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End) Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ, that will never take place (Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim (Then Cometh The End) (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) 1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The 144,000 are sealed and "Added" to the sealed church on earth, all believers are sealed by God the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13, 4:30

More Tim La Haye Left Behind Sci-Fi episode 666 A Thief in the night, antichrist death squads run! Sci-Fi Propaganda!

Same saints, same beast making war with "Them" the two Witnesses are overcome and killed, when they finish their testimony, we disagree Revelation 13:7KJV 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. Revelation 11:7KJV 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Two souls were beheaded, 10, 50, 100, 1,000, 10,000? Christian's are being martyred around the world as we speak It's going to be a different world when the two witnesses take the stage, and the plagues start rolling out! Could you imagine being tortured for 5 months, desiring to die, and unable to find death, as the sealed church is protected,Revelation 9:1-5? Revelation 3:9KJV 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Look at the believers promise in Gods divine protection, if they try to imprison or kill they in return will be jailed or killed, open your ears to Gods truth! Revelation 13:9-10KJV 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

The mark and image worship will be received willfully not by force, it will be false miracles in deception by the "False Prophet" Revelation 13:13-14KJV 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. Revelation 19:20KJV 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The "Saints" overcome are the two Witnesses, when they finish their testimony, this isnt the Believers/Church as many claim

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses) The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30 Ephesians 1:13KJV 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30KJV 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected Revelation 9:3-6KJV 3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt Revelation 11:3-6KJV 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. Revelation 16:1-11KJV 1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. 3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. 8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. 10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Tim La Hahaye left behind Sci-Fi episode 666 The (Two Witnesses) are going to rule the 3.5 year tribulation, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, were the Hebrews running around scared in Egypt? Smiles!

We have ran about the bush several times, I have no further response concerning "Apostasia" The church will be present on earth to witness the Man Of Sin revealed, it's that simple I wont be deceived Jesus Is The Lord

Departing/Departure is from the faith once held, same greek word used "Apostasia" You aren't going to change my position, Apostasia isnt a pre-trib rapture of the church to heaven, Dallas Theological Grad "Thomas Ice" is the pusher of this teaching, that's found no place in scripture, One good thing is, it gives exposure to others on this newly formulated teaching The Church will be present on earth to see the Man Of Sin be revealed, I wont be deceived

Departure, Defection, Falling Away, is from a faith once held, the truth Your claim Apostasia represents a rapture of the church to heaven inst found in scripture, and in my opinion is a fable