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I would request scripture to show that the Church will be raptured to heaven "Before" the great tribulation?

There isn't time seen between verses 23-24 below as you claim, that would be adding to scripture something not seen, "Beware"! 1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

We Disagree, The "Catching Up/Rapture" takes place at the second coming and resurrection (Then Cometh The End) As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End) Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ, that will never take place (Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim (Then Cometh The End) (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) 1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Paul wrote long before Darby, and he didnt write of a pre-trib rapture of the church to heaven

No raptured church is seen in chapter 7 as you claim, they are saints that came out of historical tribulation, not a rapture Revelation 7:13-14KJV 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

I disagree, you will closely not no scripture verses were provided to support your claim

No hostility on my part whatsoever as you claim, if a person wanders from the topic that I posted, it dosen't bring harm or foul Feel free to post on the Woman, I will be more than happy to respond Jesus Is The Lord

As I have stated "Several Times" there isnt a pre-trib rapture found in any part of scripture, including Revelation "I'm waiting" for your book, chapter, verses, showing a pre-trib rapture exist's in scripture?

2 Peter 3:8 below is explaining nothing more than there is no "literal earthly time" in the Lords eternal spiritual realm, be not ignorant 2 Peter 3:8KJV 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

"I'm waiting" for your book, chapter, verses, showing a pre-trib rapture exist's in scripture?

Maybe we need to be open to the truth of scripture, that teaches (The Day Of The Lord) will come suddenly as a thief, in fire and final judgement (The End) 2 Peter 3:10KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Correct, They Are The Four Cherubims Revelation 7:2KJV 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Ezekiel 10:1-10KJV 1 Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne. 2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight. 3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court. 4 Then the glory of the Lord went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the Lord's glory. 5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh. 6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels. 7 And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out. 8 And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings. 9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. 10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel.

The promised land of inheritance will be seen in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as seen in Ezekiel chapters 47-48, the "Eternal Kingdom" Ezekiel 48:29-35KJV 29 This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord God. 30 And these are the goings out of the city on the north side, four thousand and five hundred measures. 31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi. 32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan. 33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun. 34 At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali. 35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there. Revelation 21:10-13KJV 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine (The Eternal Kingdom) Ezekiel 47:12KJV 12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine. (The Eternal Kingdom) Revelation 22:1-2KJV 1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

There has been tribulation and distress throughout history Look at the many martyrs at the hands of Roman Catholicism in the dark ages Look at reformer Zwingli, murdering Christian's for being rebaptized Look at world war II with 70 million casualties And all this dosent prove a pre-trib rapture exists in scripture, because it doesn't In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

The Sons of G9d were human men, satan was cast to earth long ago, and he doesn't have access to the place of Gods abode in heaven

I disagree, a pre-trib rapture of the Church to heaven is found no place in scripture You can find it in John N. Darby's book on fables and fairy tales In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

No I haven't considered that (The Day Of The Lord) is 1,000 Literal Years Long, scripture clearly teaches it's a short period of time in fire, destruction, and judgement. Have you ever considered that the Lord returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)? Jesus Is The Lord

We Agree, a literal temple standing Isaiah 66:1-4 strongly suggest this future temple Verse 1 shows a temple being built to God Verse 3 shows resumed animal sacrifice, an abomination before God Point Of Interest: The word "Delusion"is used only 2 times in the KJV, and is seen in Isaiah 66:4 and 2 Thessalonians 2:11, both associated with a temple, and the "Delusion" in both instances is coming from God? Isaiah 66:1-4KJV 1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? 2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. 3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. 2 Thessalonians 2:11KJV 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Your response has no correlation to my claim, the feast's have no relationship to interpreting the Revelation Jesus Is The Lord

I agree, only one time mountains and Islands moved out of place, fleeing and not found, they are the same event in parallel teachings

Your going to be looking for that secret rapture for a long time, because it's not found in scripture

Things are changing quickly for the good, as seen in the Supreme Court ruling below, illegals cant become citizens or apply for green cards, those here claiming humanitarian reasons is about 95% The fact is, the MSM isnt reporting on the facts seen below, making onlookers think the criminal acts are going unattended This ruling provides law enforcement the right to remove them from their States, so the worry that these illegals are flooding in and casting democratic votes isnt true Of course the commie democrats desired to give citizenship to the illegals, in exchange for their vote? As clearly seen, the US Supreme Court dropped the "Hammer" on their plans! Supreme Court Rules Illegal Aliens Can't Seek Citizenship Jun 7, 2021 WASHINGTON, D.C. – A unanimous U.S. Supreme Court Monday handed down a ruling that illegal aliens who are in the country under humanitarian reasons are not eligible to become permanent residents. The ruling states that federal immigration law prohibits people who entered the country illegally and now have Temporary Protected Status (TPS) from seeking “green cards” to remain in the country permanently. There are 400,000 people from 12 countries with TPS status. Justice Elena Kagan wrote, “The TPS program gives foreign nationals nonimmigrant status, but it does not admit them. So the conferral of TPS does not make an unlawful entrant...eligible" for a green card.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ (Behold, I Make All Things New) 2 Peter 3:10-13KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Revelation 21:1-5KJV 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Matthew 24:29-30KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 1 Corinthians 3:13KJV 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. Luke 17:29-30KJV 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Malachi 3:2KJV 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Psalm 46:6KJV 6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted. Psalm 50:3KJV 3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. Psalm 97:5KJV 5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth. Isaiah 66:15KJV 15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. Zechariah 14:12KJV 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Nahum 1:5-6KJV 5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. 6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him. Revelation 20:9KJV 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

I disagree Joe, Revelation 10:7 clearly states the "Mystery" as declared to the "Prophets" "prior" to the writings of Paul, the "Prophets" didn't understand the "Mystery" seen in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 The "Mystery" declared in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 is fulfillment of what was spoken to the Prophets, same 7th Angel/Last Trump The "Mystery" declared to the "Prophets" Is Fulfilled At The 7th Angel/Last Trump (As Declared To The Prophets) Revelation 10:7KJV 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52KJV 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Thanks for the response, the Church is the Israel of God, Children of the promised seed Romans 9:6-8 The Church is the 12 tribes of Israel scattered abroad James 1:1 The remnant 144,000 will be sealed and "added" to the Church present on earth during the tribulation There isn't a pre-trib rapture found in scripture as you suggest, the Church will be present on earth to witness the second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens Luke 21:25-28 In Love, Jesus Is The Lord